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FIRST CYCLE

drumitout

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TEST E 500MG/WEEK 10-12 WITH DBOL 4 WEEKS

OR

DECA 200 -400 MG 8 WEEKS WITH DBOL 4 WEEKS


FOR FIRST CYCLE ?

FEEDBACKS PLEASE
 
Go with the first option, some people will say to drop the dbol so you'll know exactly how you react to test for future cycles but a dbol kicker is very common, so to keep it or drop it will be up to you... Being a first cycle test solo at 500/week would be plenty
 
zcol94 said:
Go with the first option, some people will say to drop the dbol so you'll know exactly how you react to test for future cycles but a dbol kicker is very common, so to keep it or drop it will be up to you... Being a first cycle test solo at 500/week would be plenty
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Ok so i can chuck the dbol and go only test e and expect same gains as i would have experienced from both combined

Also wanted to know about AI on cycle and HCG if its necessary
 
IM 22 and my trainer is insisting me on doing deca only as my goal is to bulk up

but according to my research DECA on a first cycle is not advisable

what do u think of that ?? why is he so rigid on deca
 
Some trainers don't actually understand any of the crap they tell people to do, if you eat for gains you can put 20+ lbs on with test solo, that may not sound like alot but 20 lbs of mass is a chit ton in 12 weeks
If you keep the dbol in you will get more size but typically more size equals more sides, which why its best to start with one steroid at a time, that way you gradually learn how to handle the sides of each compound
For your AI
Start with 12.5 mg aromisin every 3 days and go from there

Hcg
I can't be of much help here but everything ive read says it will help to make your pct easier and keep your nutsack full on cycle.. but it isn't needed
Do you have an idea on how your going to do your pct?
 
zcol94 said:
Some trainers don't actually understand any of the crap they tell people to do, if you eat for gains you can put 20+ lbs on with test solo, that may not sound like alot but 20 lbs of mass is a chit ton in 12 weeks
If you keep the dbol in you will get more size but typically more size equals more sides, which why its best to start with one steroid at a time, that way you gradually learn how to handle the sides of each compound
For your AI
Start with 12.5 mg aromisin every 3 days and go from there

Hcg
I can't be of much help here but everything ive read says it will help to make your pct easier and keep your nutsack full on cycle.. but it isn't needed
Do you have an idea on how your going to do your pct?
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4 weeks PCT starting after 2 weeks from last pin

Nolva and Clomid combined

Bro il look into test e only , i have to talk i through with the trainer ...he is like if u dont do deca i wont help u and stuff

what are the potential sides that i should look out for
 
You're the one putting the gear into your body. Tell him to show you some facts on a Deca only first cycle. Show you the logic, from the same place he got it from. And if he can't tell you where or why, tell him to stop pushing that BS on people. I don't even know your trainer but I want to slap him.
 
Why the actual fcuk wouldn't you run some test with deca? That said, a better choice for a first cycle is test only or test with a dbol kicker. Agreed with the rest, your trainer doesn't know very much
 
drumitout said:
4 weeks PCT starting after 2 weeks from last pin

Nolva and Clomid combined

Bro il look into test e only , i have to talk i through with the trainer ...he is like if u dont do deca i wont help u and stuff

what are the potential sides that i should look out for
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What doses on those
And for sides
High estrogen which can lead to gyno
High blood pressure
Being alpha as fuk
Epic gains
 
I will ignore his logic of deca cycle and do a test e only possibly without a dbol or maybe il throw in that il decide later after more research

One last thing --Can i inject 500mg once a week or i have to do 2 times/ week at 250mg ..
 
You'll have more stable blood levels if you split doses
 
drumitout said:
Gyno eh , even if i take A.I on cycle still i have to worry about that stuff ...hate gyno n all
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Its always a possibility but with proper use of your a.I. and serms it should be a very low possibility
 
Proper use as u said 12.5 aromasin e3days , anything else i could add like a nolva or proviron during cycle

and proper pct would be ?? i meant precise dosage of nolva or clomid

thanks for your insight on this
 
drumitout said:
That means more gains ? i dont want to sound dumb or something

i wanted to do 1 pin a week

but i can do 2 times also if thats necessary
thanks
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Maybe, but it'll also just keep your levels from rising and falling constantly, which is good for maintaining a sense of wellbeing, not to mention it's healthier and yes probably better for gains
 
drumitout said:
4 weeks PCT starting after 2 weeks from last pin

Nolva and Clomid combined

Bro il look into test e only , i have to talk i through with the trainer ...he is like if u dont do deca i wont help u and stuff

what are the potential sides that i should look out for
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My thoughts: if you need a trainer and are that dependent on a trainer then you may not be ready for AAS. I'm not being condescending, just saying......"if you don't do this I won't help you." What kind of kindergarten BS is that???? Not to mention, running Deca without a test base is not advisable. Get rid of this trainer!
 
zcol94 said:
Its always a possibility but with proper use of your a.I. and serms it should be a very low possibility
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Proper use as u said 12.5 aromasin e3days , anything else i could add like a nolva or proviron during cycle

and proper pct would be ?? i meant precise dosage of nolva or clomid

thanks for your insight on this
 
C Dub805 said:
My thoughts: if you need a trainer and are that dependent on a trainer then you may not be ready for AAS. I'm not being condescending, just saying......
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yeah but i mean there should be someone guiding you atleast helping you on your first cycle

i dont depend on him in any way
 
Is your trainer an older guy? Thats how than ran stuff back in the day. Back then guys didn't like test because it supposedly had too many sides. At least this is what I heard from someone who's been in the game a very long time. They also didn't run test bases with other compounds. It's dumb but if he's an older dude I can see why he'd recommend that. That being said I think deca only is retarded for a first cycle.
 
hide83 said:
Is your trainer an older guy? Thats how than ran stuff back in the day. Back then guys didn't like test because it supposedly had too many sides. At least this is what I heard from someone who's been in the game a very long time. They also didn't run test bases with other compounds. It's dumb but if he's an older dude I can see why he'd recommend that. That being said I think deca only is retarded for a first cycle.
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Yeah he is in his 30s

so i asked him what was his 1st cycle

he told he wanted mass and took deca and nothing ...

after all u guys commnets test is teh way to go maybe deca on later cycle if i do any

but i will seriously ask him that why is DECA SO SPECIAL TO HIM AND WHY TEST WONT PROVIDE MASS GAINS
 
drumitout said:
Proper use as u said 12.5 aromasin e3days , anything else i could add like a nolva or proviron during cycle

and proper pct would be ?? i meant precise dosage of nolva or clomid

thanks for your insight on this
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Pct
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Aromasin 0/0/0/0/12.5 e3d/12.5 e3d


You could possibly run Nolva on cycle im not sure on that protocol, I think its an old school thing, but I know ive seen it recommended before
 
drumitout said:
there are none or very few in india who are actually informed about steroids , you see thats why its a 3rd world country
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My apologies; I had no idea you were in India and that because you live in a "third world country" you don't have access to trainers who know what they are doing. Here is my advice, and again, I am not being condescending, but you should spend some time thoroughly educating yourself on nutrition, training and AAS before just accepting the advice of someone, who you have just identified in your own way as incompetent. What is the rush? Get your nutrition dialed in and hit the weights heavy and hard and build as much muscle mass and strength you can naturally. Trust me! You will be glad you did! AAS are not for those who don't know what they are doing and who don't have a foundation. And we all know you don't have a foundation based on what you have shared thus far.
 
zcol94 said:
Pct
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Aromasin 0/0/0/0/12.5 e3d/12.5 e3d


You could possibly run Nolva on cycle im not sure on that protocol, I think its an old school thing, but I know ive seen it recommended before
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20 mg nolva eotherday and aromasin 12.5mg e3d i think il do that to play it safe even if it means i gain a lilttle less

dont wanna risk gyno

proviron can be used ?

I ASKED teh trainer

He sadi DECA he loves cuz it will bulk n give bulky mass look and hates test becuz it only gives a tight muscular look and helps with fat loss but does not bulk up , my goals is to add some muscle mass so he suggested Deca
 
C Dub805 said:
My apologies; I had no idea you were in India and that because you live in a "third world country" you don't have access to trainers who know what they are doing. Here is my advice, and again, I am not being condescending, but you should spend some time thoroughly educating yourself on nutrition, training and AAS before just accepting the advice of someone, who you have just identified in your own way as incompetent. What is the rush? Get your nutrition dialed in and hit the weights heavy and hard and build as much muscle mass and strength you can naturally. Trust me! You will be glad you did! AAS are not for those who don't know what they are doing and who don't have a foundation. And we all know you don't have a foundation based on what you have shared thus far.
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Im working on that mate (foundation) if i know hoe to gain without any suppli or roids i sure;y will know how to train n eat , then only i will use AAS and other suppliments ..

im gaining some mass slowly without any suppliments , just food and 1g protein thats all rest carbs n fats

hitting weights hard 6 days / week

chest / tris / bis / shoudlers /legs /back....and abs sometimes 6 days on 1 day off 15 - 20 sets each day rep range around 10 - 12 sometimes 8 and 15
 
drumitout said:
Im working on that mate (foundation) if i know hoe to gain without any suppli or roids i sure;y will know how to train n eat , then only i will use AAS and other suppliments ..

im gaining some mass slowly without any suppliments , just food and 1g protein thats all rest carbs n fats

hitting weights hard 6 days / week

chest / tris / bis / shoudlers /legs /back....and abs sometimes 6 days on 1 day off 15 - 20 sets each day rep range around 10 - 12 sometimes 8 and 15
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Too many sets, too many reps and too many days working out with weights in my humble opinion. Though science tends to agree with my humble opinion haha! We're all here to help you mate. Here is a prescription that seems to work VERY well for everyone looking to establish a foundation and put on some muscle mass: 5x5 protocol. Look it up on google. Focus on the four main compound movements IF building mass is your goal and then eat 6 x per day. Chicken, beef, fish, eggs, brown rice, sweet potatoes, potatoes, veggies, protein shakes, avocado, nuts, fruit - you get the picture! Compound movements, lots of quality calories, plenty of rest and adequate time to recover from your workouts. Training 6 days per week is not conducive to growth (building mass). Lay off the AAS until you have muscle maturity and a proper foundation. You don't need AAS.
 
C Dub805 said:
Too many sets, too many reps and too many days working out with weights in my humble opinion. Though science tends to agree with my humble opinion haha! We're all here to help you mate. Here is a prescription that seems to work VERY well for everyone looking to establish a foundation and put on some muscle mass: 5x5 protocol. Look it up on google. Focus on the four main compound movements IF building mass is your goal and then eat 6 x per day. Chicken, beef, fish, eggs, brown rice, sweet potatoes, potatoes, veggies, protein shakes, avocado, nuts, fruit - you get the picture! Compound movements, lots of quality calories, plenty of rest and adequate time to recover from your workouts. Training 6 days per week is not conducive to growth (building mass). Lay off the AAS until you have muscle maturity and a proper foundation. You don't need AAS.
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I done that 5x5 ****

doesnot even affect my body , just ate n gained fat and slight bit of muscle , 4months wasted

i did that 5x5 icecreamfitness jason blaha ...

now im on this 4 on 1 off split similar to what chris jones suggests

i think im gaining good on it ...

and u dont have to eat ceratin foods to gain mass , thats a bro approach to it

i do IIFYM and it works ...
 
drumitout said:
I done that 5x5 ****

doesnot even affect my body , just ate n gained fat and slight bit of muscle , 4months wasted

i did that 5x5 icecreamfitness jason blaha ...

now im on this 4 on 1 off split similar to what chris jones suggests

i think im gaining good on it ...

and u dont have to eat ceratin foods to gain mass , thats a bro approach to it

i do IIFYM and it works ...
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I'm done helping you - you are completely clueless.
 
There is no workout routine ever invented that will make you gain fat, that just means your diet was ****ty.
 
drumitout said:
20 mg nolva eotherday and aromasin 12.5mg e3d i think il do that to play it safe even if it means i gain a lilttle less

dont wanna risk gyno

proviron can be used ?

I ASKED teh trainer

He sadi DECA he loves cuz it will bulk n give bulky mass look and hates test becuz it only gives a tight muscular look and helps with fat loss but does not bulk up , my goals is to add some muscle mass so he suggested Deca
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More slap-worthy comments from your trainer.
 
OP, you come on here asking for advice on how to run your cycle, guys respond by giving you sound advice and you counter with "my trainer said......." If you value your trainer's input that much then why are you even on here in the first place? Why don't you just do what your trainer tells you since your counter to what we tell you to do to get results is always what your trainer told you? It's clear neither you nor your trainer have a f ing clue what you are doing or talking about. I don't even believe you are for real at this point.
 
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