Unanswered First Cycle Question
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Mathb33
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What is this idea of ramping up and down test? Also, it’s not gyno you should be concerned about, it’s your estrogen rising too high which could then give you side effects such as gyno. An AI will take care of that. Unfortunately nobody is the same and you’ll have to figure out by yourself. If you’re gonna go 500mg a week I would just do .50 adex every time you pin and adjust from there if you have any sides. You do NOT want to go too much on AI and crush your estrogen.
SDPonce63
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I don’t see the purpose of ramping up and down... 500mg of test is the standard for issuing gains. I would do 500mg a week of test for 12-16 weeks and do 12.5 mg Aromasin each pin. You could also throw in an oral or two but be sure to adjust the AI if needed if it does it aromatize
Brain5ick
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I’m a fan of ramping up doses when first starting a new compound. Some people don’t react well to endogenous androgens at first. I got bad anxiety when I first did a 300mg shot of test albeit my test was already naturally pretty low. I just felt unwell and kinda revved up in a bad way. Not everyone gets that but some do. No shame in working your way up and seeing how you react and what sides pop up. Don’t expect anything on 250mg test per week though unless you’re horribly hypogonadal.
Renew1
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I agree, if someone is worried about their reaction to a compound, they could ramp up to assess it. But ramping down is nonsensical.
And, I also think that you'd agree... You are definitely one of the more compound-sensitive guys on this board.
Brain5ick
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Of course! Also yeah dosing down isn’t really doing much but wasting a shot imo. The ester is going to taper things down over time anyways so there’s no point.
Whisky
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Yeah that’s not the way it really works bro, your introducing exogenous testosterone so regardless of the dose that’s gonna prevent you producing your own. You’ll simply be limiting your gains in the last part of your cycle. The aim is to get your hpta started again quickly when the ester has cleared so for that a proper pct plus hcg if you want is optimal.
Regarding an ai, there are loads of different views on this but more and more I see smart people suggesting not to use until you need to (not at all if you avoid high estro sides) and then to start low and use the smallest possible dosing. Unfortunately no one size fits all but personally I would be waiting for the estro sides to show up first, crushing your estro is at least as bad as it being too high....
Renew1
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^^^ 100% ^^^
irone93
Member
I have herd that a lot lately as well. Just gyno is scary
Whisky
Well-known member
Yeah I get that but then again there’s a number of things that aas or ph’s can do which could be deemed scary. Arming yourself with the knowledge and tools to minimise risk is the best we can do. I think most of the health risks are sometimes over stated but seems foolish not to minimise any potential negative impact, however small
Bintherduntht
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My first cycle was Sustanon 250. I only took 1 shot EVERY 7 DAYS. I blew the f up off that dose too lmao! It was the original Organon brand too. I didn't need any ancillaries. Its weird, I had bich tits before I took test, then while on it they went away. Yea test made my gyno go away. A friend told me it was maybe due to my hormones evening out. After the 10 week cycle I took nolvadex for 4 weeks and kept most of my gains. Fast forward 8 years and I need double that dose for the same results.
I suggest starting out 250mg every 5-7 days. Have nolvadex on hand for gyno. Remember estrogen plays a crucial role in gaining muscle. You need some!
Bintherduntht
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Go up to 500 if you want after you get a feeling for it