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First Cycle Question

Yanks

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Hi everyone I'm looking for some suggestions for my first cycle. I've been reading about phs for about a year now and I wanna try and run something. Only thing I've taken before was LGD and I had some really good results with a strict diet and training regimen. I'm considering running Olympus Labs Halo or Epistane but I'm def open to any suggestions, products, or advice. I appreciate any help anyone can give me thanks!!
 
Olympus Labs Ep15tane would make a great 6 week cycle...You could also run a andro stack, Sparta Nutrition has some promising stacks or you could maybe run a 1 and 4 andro stack from Olympus Labs
 
Yanks said:
Hi everyone I'm looking for some suggestions for my first cycle. I've been reading about phs for about a year now and I wanna try and run something. Only thing I've taken before was LGD and I had some really good results with a strict diet and training regimen. I'm considering running Olympus Labs Halo or Epistane but I'm def open to any suggestions, products, or advice. I appreciate any help anyone can give me thanks!!
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Need age, stats, goals, and training experience first!
 
5'10 185 pounds 26 I don't know bf% over the last year I've cut down from 220 pound Ive been doing hiit workouts primarily and once a week or so lifting heavier for squats Bench press or an Olympic lift I've been pretty consistent for over a year I'm more concerned with strength so I'm going to be starting a powerlifting routine but I def wouldn't mind adding some size lol. Also im going to try and wait 2-3 months to build up more strength naturally
 
Yanks said:
5'10 185 pounds 26 I don't know bf% over the last year I've cut down from 220 pound Ive been doing hiit workouts primarily and once a week or so lifting heavier for squats Bench press or an Olympic lift I've been pretty consistent for over a year I'm more concerned with strength so I'm going to be starting a powerlifting routine but I def wouldn't mind adding some size lol. Also im going to try and wait 2-3 months to build up more strength naturally
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A first cycle recommendation would generally be something that isn't methylated like 1/4 andro stack. But Halo or Epistane might be okay since you have an LGD cycle under your belt. It might be difficult to obtain if you don't have already if your in the US.
 
Yanks said:
5'10 185 pounds 26 I don't know bf% over the last year I've cut down from 220 pound Ive been doing hiit workouts primarily and once a week or so lifting heavier for squats Bench press or an Olympic lift I've been pretty consistent for over a year I'm more concerned with strength so I'm going to be starting a powerlifting routine but I def wouldn't mind adding some size lol. Also im going to try and wait 2-3 months to build up more strength naturally
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Epistane treated me pretty well for both size and strength
 
Jebrook said:
A first cycle recommendation would generally be something that isn't methylated like 1/4 andro stack. But Halo or Epistane might be okay since you have an LGD cycle under your belt. It might be difficult to obtain if you don't have already if your in the US.
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Yeah looking at running a clone. When I ran Lgd I used Olympus labs really liked it. So I'm thinking about Olympus Epistane or Halo.
 
Jebrook said:
A first cycle recommendation would generally be something that isn't methylated like 1/4 andro stack. But Halo or Epistane might be okay since you have an LGD cycle under your belt. It might be difficult to obtain if you don't have already if your in the US.
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This, although it can be had in the US.

I did epistane as my first. I was an idiot, no pct(besides natty t booster, daa, and erase). Treated me well, felt fine... I did though struggle in the gym for about 6 months after due to the inproper pct. Make sure you have a serm lined up.
 
mrgoomba said:
This, although it can be had in the US.

I did epistane as my first. I was an idiot, no pct(besides natty t booster, daa, and erase). Treated me well, felt fine... I did though struggle in the gym for about 6 months after due to the inproper pct. Make sure you have a serm lined up.
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Yeah I have a bottle of Clomid and Olympus Labs Super Pct stocked up on some stuff a little while back
 
I have no experience with the two hormones you listed, epistane in all my years I've never bothered with, can't really say why but it gets good reviews.

I'd also give 1-andro a look. 1-testosterone is a fairly high doses 1-andro product that with def provide you with what you want with its unique delivery system. The new superdrol also looks very promising. 1-AD in logs showed awesome results.

Just some others to consider.
 
criticalbench said:
I have no experience with the two hormones you listed, epistane in all my years I've never bothered with, can't really say why but it gets good reviews.

I'd also give 1-andro a look. 1-testosterone is a fairly high doses 1-andro product that with def provide you with what you want with its unique delivery system. The new superdrol also looks very promising. 1-AD in logs showed awesome results.

Just some others to consider.
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Epistane is good, you should try it m8
 
I ran a 4-andro/epiandro stack and was very happy with it. If you do that, make sure you're not afraid to dose it. I could have gotten much more out of my cycle had I started out higher. Personally for an andro cycle, I would get a transdermal in the mix as well. Alpha Gainz has products at a fair price with which I was very happy.

As for epistane, I just started an epistane and max-lmg cycle, so I can also report back once I'm further into that.
 
Hammer814 said:
What are a few ways to tell the difference between fake and legitimate PH?
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Knee-jerk answer is that a lab test is your surest way. Anything else would depend upon what you're looking at. I'd recommend to start a thread with details of what's going on since this is a different topic than this thread. Feel free to mention me (@username) and I will take a look. There's also many others on the site much more knowledgeable than myself who will likely chime in.
 
saywutrly said:
I ran a 4-andro/epiandro stack and was very happy with it. If you do that, make sure you're not afraid to dose it. I could have gotten much more out of my cycle had I started out higher. Personally for an andro cycle, I would get a transdermal in the mix as well. Alpha Gainz has products at a fair price with which I was very happy.

As for epistane, I just started an epistane and max-lmg cycle, so I can also report back once I'm further into that.
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How would you dose both?
 
Yanks said:
How would you dose both?
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Knowing what I know now, I would do something similar to this for an andro stack over 8 weeks.

4 - 200mg/day
1- 330mg/day (perhaps crank this up more depending on how you're feeling around week 3 or 4
epi - 450mg/day first 4 weeks, 600mg/day last 4 weeks.

I did and absolutely recommend a full scale PCT with a pharmaceutical SERM.
 
If joints were getting dry or things were too dry overall, I would perhaps dial up the 4 andro to 300/330mg per week (depends on the dose of your chosen brand). This is on a person-person basis.
 
saywutrly said:
Knowing what I know now, I would do something similar to this for an andro stack over 8 weeks.

4 - 200mg/day
1- 330mg/day (perhaps crank this up more depending on how you're feeling around week 3 or 4
epi - 450mg/day first 4 weeks, 600mg/day last 4 weeks.

I did and absolutely recommend a full scale PCT with a pharmaceutical SERM.
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Cool yeha I have Clomid on hand and Olympus labs Super pct as well. Trying to figure out what I want to buy, did you say you like alpha gains andro products? Or who would you recommend? Also I've got some ostarine lgd and Radarine on hand that I could use. I've heard the osta helps some people with joint pains but idk if that was from dry compounds
 
Epistane always did the trick for me when I was doing ph only cycles. In fact, it's being incorporated into my injectable cycle now too. You can stack with an andro for a test base.
 
Yanks said:
Cool yeha I have Clomid on hand and Olympus labs Super pct as well. Trying to figure out what I want to buy, did you say you like alpha gains andro products? Or who would you recommend? Also I've got some ostarine lgd and Radarine on hand that I could use. I've heard the osta helps some people with joint pains but idk if that was from dry compounds
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I did have a good run with Alpha Gainz transdermal. I was using IML orals which were fine, but the dosing is low. I got a bargain on them, but there are much better deals to be had. I hear very good things about Olympus. Hi-Tech has a novel delivery system that has had very good anecdotes as well. You could also grab bulk and cap your own. I know there's at least one board sponsor I saw with raw andros.

criticalbench said:
Is epistane still the same hormone it was 5-6 years ago?
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I'm running IBE stuff from a couple years ago, but I think it is the same. I can grab the systemic name off the bottle when I'm by it.
 
It is banned. Easy to still get. I got flagged on another thread for saying how, so I won't here, but havoc and IBE are floating around. Not a huge priority for authorities to stop sales of them, I assume. People think dbol and anavar when they think of oral steroids, not stuff that was legal a couple of years ago.
 
criticalbench said:
Is epistane still the same hormone it was 5-6 years ago?
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I ran rpn havoc a few months back from a retailer (i believe they were given the rights to produce it) and gained about 18.5lbs in 4 weeks (keeping in mind it was my first cycle) so I do believe that was the same hormone as rpn havoc was one of the originals, but I can't say for sure since it was my only run with it
 
Question between Olympus Halo-100 and Olympus Epistane which do you guys think is less likely to cause gyno?
 
Yanks said:
Question between Olympus Halo-100 and Olympus Epistane which do you guys think is less likely to cause gyno?
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Impossible to answer. Completely user dependant. Neither compound aromatizes. Epistane would seem to be lower risk of on cycle gyno but seems to have more anecdotal reports of post cycle rebound gyno.
 
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