First Cycle...need a little help.

srx600

srx600

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In a few weeks I plan to run my first cycle. My PH choice is Phera Plex. I am 21, weight 182 pounds and about 17% bf. I am also 6 feet tall. I bulk normally on 3100 calories and put on fat easily. I am wondering how many calories I should take in while on Phera Plex? What nutrient ratios?

During the cycle I will do 10/20/20/30 of phera plex.
I will also use AX's Perfect cycle, Gnc Multi, Fish Oil, and Hawthorne Berry.

For Pct I will do 40/30/20/10 Nolva
Rebound XT
Tribulus
AX Retain
The above will also be used with exception of the PP.

Anything I should change? Help!
 
Welcome to the Forum.
I dont recommend pheraplex for your 1st cycle if you easily gain fat. Also I wouldnt use Rebound stuff with your post cycle therapy as it will most likely backfire on you once you stop

For future reference if you didnt do so, do a search, there is a ton of info on here regarding this. :wave:
 
Yes, welcome to the board.

Most will suggest you run a suicide AI and better diet to get your fat % down beforehand. Overall, it will be less to cut later on. But, sounds like you have made up your mind, reguardless. :)

On the other hand, I actually think pp is a wise choice for your first cycle. Good size & strength gains, low on sides, lower liver toxicity, appetite increase :eat:, and you will LOSE fat on this cycle. I have twice (combined with good diet) and its pretty typical among users. Yes, the gains will be more "wet" as im sure you have read, that only means you need to keep your diet very clean, plentiful (3k+ cals/day) and have good portion control.

I would ditch all those pills and go with AI's CS. It will cost a little more, but it is much better and your esophagus will thank you for it. :D

Considering this is your first, you could easily run Mass FX/Hdrol2 instead and have close to the same gains. You will save money on post cycle therapy and overall supports. Gains will be leaner as well. Either way, your receptors will be happy.

PCT looks ok, but check out the inverse SERM thread in the PCT forum. Good luck!
 
What is AI's CS? Haven't heard of it. I know what you mean about inverse SERM. Do you think I should add clomid? My goal is to bulk to 200lbs with minimal fat increase (I have a very clean diet but still gain fat) and then cut. This may take 2-3 cycles I'm hoping. Anything more as far calories? Thanks for the warm welcome.
 
Anabolic innovations cycle support. Its been the gold standard for support since it came out last year.

re pct: considering pp is light on shut down, i would just run a nolva/atd/fen/retain pct. That would be good.
 
PheraPlex is a good choice imo for a first timer. When i first ran it it was like my 3-4th cycle but i was clean for over a year. I had nice gains in strength and got 10 clean lbs of muscle after PCT was done. Youll like it. I didnt get fat on it either btw just make sure diet is ON POINT.

Personally I dont think Rebound XT is needed. PP was very kind on shutdown and I think a SERM is enough to get you going again. Keep the anti-cort(retain) and throw in some test boosters and some creatine and youll be good as long as you keep the cals up and diet clean during PCT youll keep your gains.

Thanks for researching first on your own and Welcome to the board.
 
questions

First, what is a suicide AI? And say I bulk on 3000 cals not on gear, What would you suggest my intake to be while on phera plex and also while on pct? When I say bulk I mean 500cals over my bmr.

I am also thinking of using saw palmetto and dhea during my cycle, what do you think?
 
A "suicide" type AI (aromatase inhibitor) is generally a more aggressive test booster. ALRI JW, USP labs powerFULL, etc. It will be good for post cycle therapy, but i would introduce it only after week two, just to give your body a chance to balance itself out.

Whats your general maintinence cals? DEF keep your cals 3-4k throughout the cycle AND PCT. Most people ramp cals down in post cycle therapy, which causes them to actually lose more. Ramp them down after PCT, not during.

I agree that you could possbily get by with just a serm/corst. agent, but i have always thought better to be overboard than under. I have gotten by on a 4wk superdrol cycle without a serm. then again, i am not really gyno sensitive. Your choice, as long as you have a SERM.

dhea for cycle? no, post cycle therapy, yes.

Saw is good, but it is already contained within your CS.
 
calories

My maintenance calories are from 2500-2700 I believe. I just want to be on with the calories so I don't gain fat, but also don't get sub-optimal gains. What do you suggest for nutrient ratios, considering I can put on fat rather easy?
 
srx600 said:
My maintenance calories are from 2500-2700 I believe. I just want to be on with the calories so I don't gain fat, but also don't get sub-optimal gains. What do you suggest for nutrient ratios, considering I can put on fat rather easy?
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45c/40p/15f
 
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