First Cycle Help

LegendEskimo

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Hey guys I'm getting ready to start my first PH cycle. I don't know a lot about this but i have been doing a ton of research and trying to learn more. So far i am kind of stuck between two different ideas and i don't know which one would be the best. So any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated and if I'm leaving out something that i need or taking something i don't need please let me know.

First cycle idea:
Tren Attack - Assault Labs
Protex (Cycle Assist and Liver Protection) - Vital Labs
Inhibit-P - Serious Nutrition Solutions
Multi-V
and maybe a test booster if its needed

PCT:
Post Cycle 3x by Vital Labs
Not for sure what else would be necessary


OR

Second cycle idea:
Ep15tane
Ar1macare
Multi-V

PCT:
Super PCT
DAA
Nolva
Reduce XT

For the second idea i do not know too much about but that just ideas i have found through research and from threads on here.
I am 22 years old, 5'10", and 170 pounds and I'm just looking to get more lean muscle and definition not looking to get huge or anything.
 
I'd go with the epistane for a first cycle. On cycle support being cel cycle assist and if you want, add in tudca for extra liver care. sns reduce xt could be use in pct for any cycle.
 
Almost same stats as you and in the same boat over the summer. Check out my epistane log on my profile. Had great results and was my first run as well.
Basic outlay was

Epi
Liv52
Cycle assist
Support sups

Pct
Clomid 75/50/25/25
Pct 3x
Reduce tx

I'd would add in the Tudca and extra cholesterol support IMO. Messed my levels up but I normalized after pct

Good luck! I'll always rep for a good EPI cycle
 
Okay cool, so should i keep everything else i have for on cycle and PCT? Also is there anything to do about blood pressure? I did a cycle about 4 years ago and I just remembered i had a problem with it being high during my cycle.
 
Proper on cycle support should help battle bp issues. Make sure to drink enough water and not too much sodium.
 
LegendEskimo said:
Okay cool, so should i keep everything else i have for on cycle and PCT? Also is there anything to do about blood pressure? I did a cycle about 4 years ago and I just remembered i had a problem with it being high during my cycle.
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Doesn't hurt to keep extras on hand or use them for extra support. Just watch what your dosing.

I run coq10, policosanol, fish oil, and flax seed oil for cholesterol. I also work at a sup shop where my supports are dirt cheap for me. All user preference.
 
Thanks for all of your help guys.

So now I'm thinking
Epistane
Ar1macare
Cycle Assist
Tudca


PCT:
PCT 3x
Reduce tx

So what do you guys think about that? Do i need anything else? Nolva or liv52?
 
Hey bro if you are thinking about running tren. check out the logging opportunity that Ironflex is having on their new topical tren.
 
Add a serm to pct and I'd say it's good. Like Lincoln said, nolva or clomid. I personally like clomid but up to you
 
McCrew530 said:
Hey bro if you are thinking about running tren. check out the logging opportunity that Ironflex is having on their new topical tren.
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This. Good opportunity here. Just pick up sns inhibit p to battle prolactin sides and be good to go with your plans.
 
LegendEskimo said:
Okay cool, so should i keep everything else i have for on cycle and PCT? Also is there anything to do about blood pressure? I did a cycle about 4 years ago and I just remembered i had a problem with it being high during my cycle.
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Just make sure you check your blood pressure then frequently if you've had issues with it in the past on cycle. Also try taking Blockade as your on cycle support. The alpha lopic acid and coq10 in it will help with blood pressure. Also of course fish oil will help as well. Heres a link to Blockade at Strong Supplement Shop if your interesting in checking it out.

http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/blockade-on-cycle-defense-by-assault-labs
 
Epistane is great, you will love it! I have bp issues as well, check it every day. Monitor is cheap on amazon and well worth every penny. It can raise a little but keep an eye on it and you will be able to keep it in check
 
Pro hormones are a joke all your going to do is thrash your liver and make your blood pressure go through the roof. You would be better off running some test ethanate 250-500 mg a week with some anavar the last six weeks of cycle. Low sides and would keep most of your gains. gyno should not be a big deal at that dose unless your prone to it. If it does become a problem throw in some arimedex .25mg every third day give or take depending on puffiness, nips being sore Ect. Run a good pct after words and you will be golden.
 
Iamgreat said:
Pro hormones are a joke all your going to do is thrash your liver and make your blood pressure go through the roof. You would be better off running some test ethanate 250-500 mg a week with some anavar the last six weeks of cycle. Low sides and would keep most of your gains. gyno should not be a big deal at that dose unless your prone to it. If it does become a problem throw in some arimedex .25mg every third day give or take depending on puffiness, nips being sore Ect. Run a good pct after words and you will be golden.
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Strong first post here.
 
I'm running epi also. I'm in mid cycle and just opened up a new bottle of cel cycle assist and the caps look a little different. Should I freak out? Lol
 
riseabove5 said:
I'm running epi also. I'm in mid cycle and just opened up a new bottle of cel cycle assist and the caps look a little different. Should I freak out? Lol
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They change bottles and capsules all the time. Did you get them from a trusted source? If so you should be gtg
 
Ok guys, Thanks a lot for all of your help. I think this is my final result. Still need some advice about dosage but so far this is what i got. Let me know what you think and if i need to change anything.

On cycle:
Epistane 30/30/45/45/45/45
Arimacare 4/4/4/4/4/4
Tudca - Need help with dosage
Cycle Assist - Need help with dosage

PCT:
PCT 3x - Need help with dosage
Reduce xt - Do I need to start this half way into PCT???
Nolva - weeks 1-4 20/20/10/10
 
LegendEskimo said:
Ok guys, Thanks a lot for all of your help. I think this is my final result. Still need some advice about dosage but so far this is what i got. Let me know what you think and if i need to change anything. On cycle: Epistane 30/30/45/45/45/45 Arimacare 4/4/4/4/4/4 Tudca - Need help with dosage Cycle Assist - Need help with dosage PCT: PCT 3x - Need help with dosage Reduce xt - Do I need to start this half way into PCT??? Nolva - weeks 1-4 20/20/10/10
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Everything looks good..
I really wouldn't use Tudca for Epi personally but if you have it, go ahead, if it's Olympus labs I think it's 250 per cap, you could take 2 caps a day and be gtg.. That Armicare has a little bit in it as well I believe..

Cycle Assist is 4 caps 2x a day..
I take mine a couple hours after my oral doses..
I'd start reduce xt on the first day of pct...

Don't know anything about that PCT 3x or if it has an AI in it..
But I'd run an AI past your serm also..
 
There's no AI in 3x. So run the AI past the sene by a week or two if you run one. If not running one at least have one on hand in case sides pop up after pct. Epi has a reputation of rebound.

Everything else looks pretty good. Reduce tx is usually ran at 2 caps on the third week of PCt, but I'v ran it from day one before. User preference

Good luck!
 
Thanks again guys. Does anyone know of a specific AI that i should get? Been looking them up and just trying to make sure i buy the right thing.
 
mgkoret said:
I like Formeron by black lion labs. Plus its on sale at Island Sups I think ;)
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we have formeron here. I like arimistane as well and finaflex pct black has some other goodies in there as well. Can't go wrong with either.

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Like everyone else said... Nay on the tren , don't want prolactin issues popping up your first cycle from a progestin Your second cycle idea is perfect

PCT
-Nolva 20/20/10/10
-Reduce i say start week three
-AI run last two weeks of SERM and two week past SERM.
-no idea what the other pct supp you named is
 
nbshazeezee said:
Like everyone else said... Nay on the tren , don't want prolactin issues popping up your first cycle from a progestin Your second cycle idea is perfect PCT -Nolva 20/20/10/10 Reduce i say start week three - AI run last two weeks of SERM and two week past SERM. - no idea what the other pct supp you named is
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Formabolic or dermaform are the two brands I've used. Personally loved formabolic



Damm didn't mean to qoute myself damn cell phone
 
Afi140 said:
we have formeron here. I like arimistane as well and finaflex pct black has some other goodies in there as well. Can't go wrong with either.

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Arimistane is pretty nice. Theres 20mg per serving in Growth Factor Extreme by Menace.
 
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