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First cycle help

jamesm11

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Alright I've run 4 cycles of PHs and want to cross over to real stuff.

Goal: cut bf% gain some solid LBM, but wanna stay lean throughout (minimize smoothing and water gain)
I'm looking at the following

5'10"
195lbs
14-15%
22

Test E 250mg 2x week 15 weeks
Kickstart with ultradrol (8/8/12/12)
Hcg 250 x2week (unsure of dosage)

Also want to run winny or Anavar to lean out while on it (or if there's something better)

PCT: 2 weeks after last test E injection
Torem 120/90/60/30
Erase 0/0/3/2/1
DAA 3g day

Any other ancillaries I need during or post cycle? I've heard nolva/aromason/letro but they all differ.


Thanks
 
you're 22 and already did 4 PH/steroid cycles. did you even get bloods to make sure you're normal? how long since your last cycle?

at your age you should easily be gaining 1-2lbs per month w/o any fat.
 
gaijininjapan said:
you're 22 and already did 4 PH/steroid cycles. did you even get bloods to make sure you're normal? how long since your last cycle?

at your age you should easily be gaining 1-2lbs per month w/o any fat.
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That's not necessarily true for everyone. Just because your t levels are above the average middle-aged mans t levels doesn't equate to easy muscle gains. What is done is done for this man. He has taken 4 PH's and is now fixed on taking the real deal, which from my experience I have to say that the real gear amounts to lesser shutdown, healthier liver and blood values, and more sustainable and longer lasting results.

To the OP, your cycle looks great! You've done the research. All I can say is consider either milk thistle or even better UDCA. There is a well-known research company that offers UDCA for $50. It's legit. I took it with my SD, Trenazone, H-Drol and Test cycle recently. Liver values came back fine. I'd recommend UDCA @ 250mg/day for first 4 weeks. And take it again @ 250mg/day the last 4 weeks of the cycle. One bottle will cover this much.

Also, I'd take Winny since Anavar is really expensive. I'd run it the last 4 weeks of the cycle (wks 14-17) while the T is clearing your system. Again, run the UDCA @ 250mg/day with the Winny and the Ultradrol. Heck, even the manufacturers of Ultra recommend UDCA. You might also want to at least have an AI on hand in case water weight starts bothering you. If you don't need it on-cycle then just use it in PCT..
 
Well when I said I had run 4 PHs it was: 3ad, halo, sdrol/orastan e. so 3 cycle. my mistake

All were 4 week cycle. 3AD at 20 ( i know it was stupid and early), hdrol (last november), sdrol/orastan e (august) I have used a SERM for all but 3ad. I have used support sups the entire time. My bloods have been done pre and post for the last three and they have come back all normal.

I am a month past my sdrol pct and going to wait until January to get on real stuff. I don't drink alcohol and eat clean.
 
jamesm11 said:
Well when I said I had run 4 PHs it was: 3ad, halo, sdrol/orastan e. so 3 cycle. my mistake

All were 4 week cycle. 3AD at 20 ( i know it was stupid and early), hdrol (last november), sdrol/orastan e (august) I have used a SERM for all but 3ad. I have used support sups the entire time. My bloods have been done pre and post for the last three and they have come back all normal.

I am a month past my sdrol pct and going to wait until January to get on real stuff. I don't drink alcohol and eat clean.
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Then you should see awesome gains. Trust me, if that diet is clean you will get ripped. YOU WILL LOSE BF, and YOU WILL GET MUCH, MUCH STRONGER.

I went from that (left) to this (right) on a cutting cycle.

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thanks for the help, do i need nolva and aromasin/letro on for this? and what dosage? I've seen aromasin .5mg EOD or E3D
 
jamesm11 said:
Sorry. I was typing it on my phone. You're right.

Which one is better?
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Aromasin. It is a suicidal inhibitor that not only blocks more conversion to estro but also has no negative impact on cholesterol levels and I think it also has a positive impact on IGF-1 levels.
 
The cholesterol issues with letro and arimidex are blown out of proportion. I've had bloodwork while on letro, with undetectable e2, and my cholesterol was something like 52 HDL / 75 LDL / 43 Triglycerides. Gear hurts lipid profiles much more than AI's...

10-15 weeks of Test + EQ would be an awesome first time cycle. Adding in an oral at the end of the cycle would be nice too. Hdrol, winny, var, or tbol would harden everything up nicely. SD or Dzine would be nice too...
 
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