whaz
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Reduce Xt is my go to cortisol control for pct
First cycle ever with Epistane need help and advice
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Reduce Xt is my go to cortisol control for pct
cookie1
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Any one have experience running clen with pct after epi/stano cycle? Good or bad? Just curious got some extra
I see what you did there: P Epi and Tren Elite stack?
cookie1
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Do you think my PCT is legit:
IronMagLabs E-control-Rx
Nolvadex dosage:, 20/20/20/10/10
Anabolic designs liver milk
SRS Reduce - XT after second week
I think I'm gonna delete IML e-control and and add instead DS Triazole because I found its a solid AI
DS Triazole dosage - / - /3 /4. /4. /4 /3
Nolvadex dosage:, 20/20/20/10/10/10
Anabolic designs liver milk
SRS Reduce - XT after second week
IronMagLabs E-control-Rx
Nolvadex dosage:, 20/20/20/10/10
Anabolic designs liver milk
SRS Reduce - XT after second week
I think I'm gonna delete IML e-control and and add instead DS Triazole because I found its a solid AI
DS Triazole dosage - / - /3 /4. /4. /4 /3
Nolvadex dosage:, 20/20/20/10/10/10
Anabolic designs liver milk
SRS Reduce - XT after second week
smshannon001
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still dont think you need nolva that long... its high affinity for receptors has it working quickly.. maybe 20/20/10/10
you can decide then if you need a 5th week
also some will tell you to start the AI right away during PCT, but i say wait 2-3 weeks and *insert bro science here* have your body recognize the extra estro (thats not binding because of your nolva) and boost its own (endogenous) production of test...
if you block estro (nolva) and kill estro (AI)... then it will be harder to get natty T levels back up
you can decide then if you need a 5th week
also some will tell you to start the AI right away during PCT, but i say wait 2-3 weeks and *insert bro science here* have your body recognize the extra estro (thats not binding because of your nolva) and boost its own (endogenous) production of test...
if you block estro (nolva) and kill estro (AI)... then it will be harder to get natty T levels back up
cookie1
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You mean something like that:
DS Triazole dosage /- /-/ - /4/4/3
Nolvadex dosage: / -/ 20/20/10/10
or
You mean something like that:
DS Triazole dosage /-/ - /4/4/3
Nolvadex dosage: 20/20/10/10
smshannon001
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thats what the nolvas for bud!
easiest way to explain it is like a lock and key... nolva fills in the keyhole (receptors) so that the estro doesnt cause growth
nolva itself is a weak estrogen but shows little (to no) activity at the breast receptors... meaning that extra estro floating around shouldnt be binding to create breast tissue, and your body will "see" that extra estrogen and boost up natural test production
zpole
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Epi is good stuff deff run it longer though. I'm on week 6 of my cycle and i'm going to continue until the 8 week mark. I've been running 40mg since week 3 and my blood work came back normal. Youll like it. You don't need Nolva though. It doesnt effect test levels and it doesnt convert to estrogen so no need.
smshannon001
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a SERM is always a good idea to have on hand.. if you want to do a OTC PCT, go ahead you should be fine when comin off Epi; however, its always better safe than sorry...
google this " epistane is not mild steroid.com " and you will see a post of someone elses bloodwork...
cookie1
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Thank you. Now I understood everything!. So I will do this I guess : DS Triazole dosage /-/ - /4/4/3
Nolvadex dosage: 20/20/10/10
smshannon001
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whats the main ingredient in DS triazole?
have you seen others PCT logs and their doses?
an example of 2 pct ideas below
(if you cant get bloodwork done you gotta do "guess work" like water retention, nipple changes, libido issues)
PCT 1: if you feel that ur estrogen isnt that high
nolva 20/20/10/10/-/-/-
DS T --/--/--/ 3/4/4/3
or
PCT 2: if estrogen is becomin an issue
nolva 20/20/10/10
DS T 2/ 3 / 4/ 3/ 2
the taper at the end is to "kill" estro slowly for rebound... some people use a SERM and AI at full strength for 4 weeks and 0 their estro levels and do more damage!
have you seen others PCT logs and their doses?
an example of 2 pct ideas below
(if you cant get bloodwork done you gotta do "guess work" like water retention, nipple changes, libido issues)
PCT 1: if you feel that ur estrogen isnt that high
nolva 20/20/10/10/-/-/-
DS T --/--/--/ 3/4/4/3
or
PCT 2: if estrogen is becomin an issue
nolva 20/20/10/10
DS T 2/ 3 / 4/ 3/ 2
the taper at the end is to "kill" estro slowly for rebound... some people use a SERM and AI at full strength for 4 weeks and 0 their estro levels and do more damage!
zpole
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Also word of advice since epi is geared towards increasing hypertrophy and protein synthesis take a large dose amino complex. It will go nice together.
cookie1
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cookie1
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Well I've been always a fan of BCAAs and multivitamins so its not considered as extras
Slappy244
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smshannon001
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havent looked up the mg dose of DS T yet but if its the same as erase, ive seen reports that its pretty strong and you shouldnt need to stay at 4 for 2 weeks... gotta go to work! ill check the DS T dose later
Slappy244
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You totally can run a cycle without a SERM, but it's a horrible idea. Your endocrine system will eventually find equilibrium (maybe 6 months?). But with a little research you can find the chemicals you need to avoid that situation.
Back in the old days of NASCAR drivers didn't have to use seat belts, but I think everyone is in agreement (now) that seat belts are a good idea.
thanks man, my "pharmacy" has a bad@ss label for their bad@ss product.
The cycle looks legit. Get ready for popping a sh*t load of pills. You're at a good starting point though. If you want something for cortisol and estro control, checkout PES Erase.
cookie1
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Oke good luck then: P.Check inbox!
cookie1
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Well I've already found 2 supplements for each job. But if erase is cheaper and it offers 2 in 1 I might consider taking it
because the cost of this cycle is super high and I am a college student so I don't know if I can handle it.The cost with the proper nutrition and the cycle is about 480$ at the moment I got the 80$ ^^.Btw I'm now in thoughts either doing cycle in 4 months or wait a year and do it. ). So I will have a more solid base and my endocrine system won't be a really big problem
I'm not stupid I'm really concerned about my general health and I want to minimize the chances of permanent sides. So Im thinking of getting all the cycle supplements now and run it in a year. Is it wise?
Slappy244
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You should wait. I didn't realize your age. It might be a good idea to re-read the rules of the board and possibly edit your last post. PH and AAS are really not needed until you hit a real plateau, and believe me, you aren't there yet. An extra year (or three) of solid training and diet will serve you better than artificial hormones.
There aint no free lunch. Sorry bud. With patience and practice you will hit your goals and most likely exceed them.
There aint no free lunch. Sorry bud. With patience and practice you will hit your goals and most likely exceed them.
cookie1
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I'm not a kid who tries to shortcut (saying that just to clear my intentions). I know that I'm going to jump on them sooner
rlater...I was about to do it in 4 months ..now I will do it in a year.I train like a beast I'm not afraid of weights and in the gym I'm the guy who did the most progress.I know how to supply my selfwith food properly and I've red books about workout and nutrition. I'm not someone who wants to grab a bottle and start injecting his ass. I wan to educate myself on this subject and I want to have everything set. I'm responsible
for my actions and I think with the proper supplementation I am going to be fine. I know that age is just a number everyone is defrent and I know people which their overall growth stopped at 19.I hope you understand my intentions I didn't make the thread to fool people I posted my age from the beginning of this. I hope no one is going to be mad with me nor the admins.
smshannon001
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nice avi bro! McShredded!
smshannon001
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check out examine.com brassaiopsis Glomerulata
i wish DST said which AI was in their product (maybe im missing it though)
looks like ppl are running at 3-4 a day for PCT... so if you feel that estro isnt too high you can start the DST in week 3 of pct, if you feel its a problem then start at 3 caps in week 1
i wish DST said which AI was in their product (maybe im missing it though)
looks like ppl are running at 3-4 a day for PCT... so if you feel that estro isnt too high you can start the DST in week 3 of pct, if you feel its a problem then start at 3 caps in week 1
smshannon001
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seen ppl take HCGenerate to help... most natty test boosters + arginine should get some blood flow goin
what exactly are you taking and for how long have you been taking it ?
WPD111
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Go with the first one Most people don't feel anything until week 3 I didn't
Or go 30/40/40/50/50/60
fame126
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3rd week of epi2a3a @40mg. the problem is wanting it. i can get and keep an erection but just no desire whatsoever. these items u said would be ok to take on cycle?
smshannon001
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i see ur reppin SD bro! cant wait to be back this summer
now to your question
ya they are fine on cycle... most people would use the HCGenerate for pct as a natural test booster along with DAA
sometimes its all in ur head though too.. get focused on the weights/diet or ANALyzing the normally unimportant details of everyday life
basically i get a similar feeling after a few low carb days!
i didnt have your issue when i took epi though, i felt "alphamale" and confident most of the time but with work and school and training its not like i had much time for "gettin around"
now to your question
ya they are fine on cycle... most people would use the HCGenerate for pct as a natural test booster along with DAA
sometimes its all in ur head though too.. get focused on the weights/diet or ANALyzing the normally unimportant details of everyday life
basically i get a similar feeling after a few low carb days!
i didnt have your issue when i took epi though, i felt "alphamale" and confident most of the time but with work and school and training its not like i had much time for "gettin around"
cookie1
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I guess I will decide then from how I feel and I will do blood work before cycle so I will be able to see if estrogen is high enough naturally
zpole
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ya take a shot of test to ur slong
cookie1
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Should my last cycle workout be a day before the last dosage of PHs?
Ow and other supplements that I'm going to run through out the cycle:
Creatine Monohydrate (5g off days 10g on days)
BCAA lequid form (morning,pre-post/wo ,4th meal)
WHEY Protein 35g (morning and 5th meal)
Weight Gainer 70 protein/150 carbs/25 fat (post workout)
Slow release protein 40/25/10 (30min pre bedtime )
Ow and other supplements that I'm going to run through out the cycle:
Creatine Monohydrate (5g off days 10g on days)
BCAA lequid form (morning,pre-post/wo ,4th meal)
WHEY Protein 35g (morning and 5th meal)
Weight Gainer 70 protein/150 carbs/25 fat (post workout)
Slow release protein 40/25/10 (30min pre bedtime )
cookie1
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Yh I'll take a shot up in my |3
smshannon001
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25g fat post workout?? i personally try to keep fat minimal post workout and have some fats in my dinner (meal about 1.5hrs after workout)
save the creatine for PCT to help maintain strength to retain gains and dont think you need to go up to 10g a day, but its cheap!
cookie1
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That's the final cycle thank you all from the bottom of my heart!.
Pro hormone:
Epistane dosage:30/30/30/40/40/40
stano dosage: 600/800/800/800/1000/1000
Cycle Support :
AI Cycle Support 2.0
taurine
fish oil
Multivitamin
PCT:
DAA dosage: 3g/day(whole 5weeks)
PES ERASE : - / - /3 /3 /3 /2
Nolvadex dosage:, 20/20/10/10
Anabolic designs liver milk 2/2/3/3/2
supplements that I'm going to run through out the cycle:
Creatine Monohydrate (5g off days 10g on days)
BCAA lequid form (morning,pre-post/wo ,4th meal)
WHEY Protein 35g (morning and 5th meal)
Weight Gainer 70 protein/150 carbs/10 fat (post workout)
Slow release protein 40/25/7 (30min pre bedtime )
Pro hormone:
Epistane dosage:30/30/30/40/40/40
stano dosage: 600/800/800/800/1000/1000
Cycle Support :
AI Cycle Support 2.0
taurine
fish oil
Multivitamin
PCT:
DAA dosage: 3g/day(whole 5weeks)
PES ERASE : - / - /3 /3 /3 /2
Nolvadex dosage:, 20/20/10/10
Anabolic designs liver milk 2/2/3/3/2
supplements that I'm going to run through out the cycle:
Creatine Monohydrate (5g off days 10g on days)
BCAA lequid form (morning,pre-post/wo ,4th meal)
WHEY Protein 35g (morning and 5th meal)
Weight Gainer 70 protein/150 carbs/10 fat (post workout)
Slow release protein 40/25/7 (30min pre bedtime )
HardEarned
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I agree with slappy. You are nowhere near a plateau. I think you should work out naturally for a while and really reach your genetic potential. I'm like you, im skinny and it was always hard for me to put on weight. But with perfect dieting and strict training I went from 135lbs to 195lbs in 1.5 years because I did it perfect and was dedicated 24/7. I am considering a cycle of PH because I'm almost at my genetic limit. But once you run PH be ready to give up your natty gains. You wont be able to make gains naturally as easy after your run. And you have plenty of noob gains to go. I know I wont change your mind. You've already got one foot in. But just know what your getting into. I think if you were to do powerlifting and ate like 500grams of carbs a day in a fat calorie surplus, you would gain 5lbs a month anyway!
PS. Save your creatine monohydrate for PCT. Your going to need all the help you can get in pct to try and keep those gains.
PPS Sorry for being critical. You do have a good cycle planned out. Everything that I have researched is right in line with what you are doing and best of luck to you!
PS. Save your creatine monohydrate for PCT. Your going to need all the help you can get in pct to try and keep those gains.
PPS Sorry for being critical. You do have a good cycle planned out. Everything that I have researched is right in line with what you are doing and best of luck to you!
smshannon001
Well-known member
I agree with most of what you said except for the part of giving up his natural gains.
If pct is done properly then he would be back to normal test levels and maintain his natural gains.
If he is beyond his "genetic limit" then he may revert back to where he started pre cycle.
But some guys have better test levels AFTER doing a cycle and hitting pct properly.
HardEarned
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you are right. If he recovers his natural test levels he should still be able to grow if he isn't beyond his genetic limit. However, it will still be harder to grow after a cycle even with your normal baseline test levels because some of the androgen receptors will be clogged up with the dead hormones from the cycle and unable to bind with your test. Basically you will be operating with fewer androgen receptors until the exogenous hormones are removed from the receptors (takes time), and the fewer androgen receptors there are binding with testosterone the weaker the anabolic action. Therefore it is tempting for someone to finish pct and jump on another cycle shortly after. If this happens several times in a row your receptor sites will all be clogged up with dead hormones. And even the steroid cycles get fancier and fancier they will have diminishing effects and results. At this point there is no way your natural testosterone alone will be enough to make you grow! Heck exotic steroid cycle stacks barely yield the gains of your first cycle that was just a moderate dose of testosterone.