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FIRST CYCLE EVER!! PLEASE REVIEW CYCLE PLAN

MOMO1020

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Hey,

a little background info
I have been doing research on PH's for a while now. I am seriously considering trying them out not, at least 1 year from now (doesnt hurt to research early : ) I have only been working out consistently now for 4 months ( I have been working out on and off for 9 years, mostly off). I know you should not take PH until you hit your plateau. So I am going to work out HARD and Naturally for another year at least, that way I would have at least a year and a half of consistent weight lifting. I am 26 years old 6'6 and weight 255lbs. I have gone from being in great shape to fat so many times I lost count. Best shape I was in was when I weighed 225lbs with around 11% body fat. that fattest I got was 300lbs lol. In the past I would work out hard (naturally) for 6 months then stop for around a year (get fat) then start all over again. My diet and routine in the gym are impeccable when I work out ( I have done ALOT of research on diet/exercise and was thought how to train by a national body builder back in the day). My problem is when I stop working out I eat the worse food and do nothing! BUT Those days are over, CONSISTENCE is now KEY!!

Anyways This is the PH cycle I had in mind when I decided (if I decide) to do PH


CYCLE INFO
-load up for two weeks on cycle support by competitive edge (and take through out cycle)
-6 weeks Halotest 25- 50/75/75/75/100/100 (I will take cycle assist 4 hours apart from taking PH)
-post cycle- Powerlab post cycle support/ nolvadex 20/20/10/10/ (I also want to get some HCG) also DAA and estrogen blockers

PLEASE, COMMENT CRITIQUE RECOMMEND ETC...
 
Don't waste your money on their PostCycle. Especially if you already plan to purchase estrogen blockers and test boosters.


It has like two proven products in it but you should be fine with a serm, daa, and erase for pct. Continue the assist products.


No need to waste money pre-loading cycle assist by CEL. Just pre-load some hawthorn berry.
 
Hcg totally not needed for halo bud

May want OG erase since you probly don't know how prone to Gyno u are. Being first cycle in all. 1/2/3/3/2/1 during pct if u do
 
HCG? Are you referring to the injections? You can get HCG injections but not the actual gear? Hmmmm.....


Get your PH, get an all in one assist product like cycle assist or life support, get a serm, get a test booster, and get a strong OTC AI like formestanzol or erase. Depending on the compound .....having a Pharm grade A.I. on hand just in case wouldn't hurt either.

Going the extra mile will be getting a product to control cortisol. Erase does just that as well as act as an AI. So you definitely get more bang for your back.



Do research on what common side effects people experience on the PH you choose, and get any additional products to help combat these sides while on cycle. Most your money will be spent on PCT and supports.


Better to be prepared then scared. ;)
 
epstaneman said:
HCG? Are you referring to the injections? You can get HCG injections but not the actual gear? Hmmmm.....

Get your PH, get an all in one assist product like cycle assist or life support, get a serm, get a test booster, and get a strong OTC AI like formestanzol or erase. Depending on the compound .....having a Pharm grade A.I. on hand just in case wouldn't hurt either.

Going the extra mile will be getting a product to control cortisol. Erase does just that as well as act as an AI. So you definitely get more bang for your back.

Do research on what common side effects people experience on the PH you choose, and get any additional products to help combat these sides while on cycle. Most your money will be spent on PCT and supports.

Better to be prepared then scared. ;)
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Erase and cort control is sort of a myth. It says "it may lower cortisol" but studies show otherwise. Either way, cort control isn't really necessary for halo

And make sure you run cycle assist throughout pct too. The nolva is also liver toxic
 
ThunderHumper said:
Erase and cort control is sort of a myth. It says "it may lower cortisol" but studies show otherwise. Either way, cort control isn't really necessary for halo

And make sure you run cycle assist throughout pct too. The nolva is also liver toxic
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I'm not sure what studies your showing that prove the product is 'not effective' but many people use it during pct.



Here are the references they list for ERASE and its effectiveness:

References:

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Numazawa M, Mutsumi A, Tachibana M, Hoshi K; Synthesis of androst-5-en-7-ones and androsta-3,5-dien-7-ones and their related 7-deoxy analogs as conformational and catalytic probes for the active site of aromatase; J Med Chem. 1994 Jul 8;37(14):2198-2

Ashok Marwah, Padma Marwah, Henry Lardy; Ergosteroids VI. Metabolism of dehydroepiandrosterone by rat liver in vitro: a liquid chromatographic–mass spectrometric study. Journal of Chromatography B, 767 (2002) 285–299
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Here are the references for LeanXtreme:

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epstaneman said:
I'm not sure what studies your showing that prove the product is 'not effective' but many people use it during pct.

Here are the references they list for ERASE and its effectiveness:

Here are the references for LeanXtreme:
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You're not very smart are you? I said erase's alleged cort control abilities are not effective. Erase as an ai is plenty effective
 
ThunderHumper said:
Erase and cort control is sort of a myth. It says "it may lower cortisol" but studies show otherwise. Either way, cort control isn't really necessary for halo

And make sure you run cycle assist throughout pct too. The nolva is also liver toxic
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I experienced a very noticeable reduction in soreness and recovery with erase.
 
MOMO1020 said:
Hey,

a little background info
I have been doing research on PH's for a while now. I am seriously considering trying them out not, at least 1 year from now (doesnt hurt to research early : ) I have only been working out consistently now for 4 months ( I have been working out on and off for 9 years, mostly off). I know you should not take PH until you hit your plateau. So I am going to work out HARD and Naturally for another year at least, that way I would have at least a year and a half of consistent weight lifting. I am 26 years old 6'6 and weight 255lbs. I have gone from being in great shape to fat so many times I lost count. Best shape I was in was when I weighed 225lbs with around 11% body fat. that fattest I got was 300lbs lol. In the past I would work out hard (naturally) for 6 months then stop for around a year (get fat) then start all over again. My diet and routine in the gym are impeccable when I work out ( I have done ALOT of research on diet/exercise and was thought how to train by a national body builder back in the day). My problem is when I stop working out I eat the worse food and do nothing! BUT Those days are over, CONSISTENCE is now KEY!!

Anyways This is the PH cycle I had in mind when I decided (if I decide) to do PH

CYCLE INFO
-load up for two weeks on cycle support by competitive edge (and take through out cycle)
-6 weeks Halotest 25- 50/75/75/75/100/100 (I will take cycle assist 4 hours apart from taking PH)
-post cycle- Powerlab post cycle support/ nolvadex 20/20/10/10/ (I also want to get some HCG) also DAA and estrogen blockers

PLEASE, COMMENT CRITIQUE RECOMMEND ETC...
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Hdrol is a good first cycle. I would run forma while on, it worked well for me. But I ran hdrol with 2ml of trenazone so my estro got a bit wild. Go with forma surge or formaron.

As for pct I would run Torem as a Serm. It's great and easier on u. Run it 120/90/60/30. Also like mentioned before run erase 1/2/3/3/2/1. Daa at 3G per day. And I would get another test booster. Pp makes that gel it's good but there are a million others u could use. Hcg is not needed for 6 week cycles, hdrol more than likely Wong shut u down that hard. It can but normally it's easy to recover from.

U need to get ur diet in check. If that still sucks u will just lose anything u gained from the cycle.
 
ThunderHumper said:
You're not very smart are you? I said erase's alleged cort control abilities are not effective. Erase as an ai is plenty effective
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Must suck not getting any p*ssy. I'd be making smart ass remarks myself.

G'luck with the gals bro. Hope the dry spell ends soon. ;) Winky face
 
csa2179 said:
Hdrol is a good first cycle. I would run forma while on, it worked well for me. But I ran hdrol with 2ml of trenazone so my estro got a bit wild. Go with forma surge or formaron.

As for pct I would run Torem as a Serm. It's great and easier on u. Run it 120/90/60/30. Also like mentioned before run erase 1/2/3/3/2/1. Daa at 3G per day. And I would get another test booster. Pp makes that gel it's good but there are a million others u could use. Hcg is not needed for 6 week cycles, hdrol more than likely Wong shut u down that hard. It can but normally it's easy to recover from.

U need to get ur diet in check. If that still sucks u will just lose anything u gained from the cycle.
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I am about to run a HD cycle as well and have a question about the Erase. I have it already lined up for my PCT but was going to run it 0/0/3/2/2/1 beginning in week 1 of my PCT. This approach is geared toward allowing test and estrogen to come back naturally but preventing rebound estrogenic effects. Is the 1/2/3/3/2/1 approach better? I can see why it would be good to slowly block estrogen at the beginning of PCT, then most when you come off of it, then taper off. Should I change my setup?
 
Anyone have any experience with fina flexd .Where can you buy the actual "true fina flex" from stuff that works, anyone know if the new one is good
 
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