First cycle ever Hdrol with pics

^^Hah, yeah only trouble is if I go with ace or deca. People usually go with test e or c for first cycle, so thinking deca might not be bad. Just need to have proper on cycle care and AI. Don't feel like pinning every day on my first go lol.
 
HardEarned said:
Dang everyone has crazy stacks for cycles and otc estro blockers and cycle support and pct. Its like expensive!

Im lucky my next cycle doesn't have to be so expensive, I already have a serm and an ai from my osta cycle and my buddy just landed a bunch of Dbol and he changed up his cycle so he just gave me enough dbol to last 40mg for 5 weeks. I am considering stacking it with a test base like dermacrine and maybe epi for the anti estrogenic effects.
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I was originally running dermacrine with my nano tren + Epi 2a 3a cycle, the derma did not suit me as was giving me a very dull head and also lethargy so i quit it and added in Test E 250 every tenth day this has balanced it out for a feel good energetic cycle thus far today being my 12 day looking good excellent recomp with the scales not budging for the first 8 days but now thank goodness the scales are now on a rapid incline.

Much surprised that the nano tren is waking me up with a rock hard wood and also vastly improving refactory times, the middle man thinks he is 18 again ha ha
 
Pinning? wowzers! I'm kind of scared to do it. I'm trying to get my hands on a bottle of androgel so I can use that as a test base with the dbol and epi. Otherwise I'll use dermacrine. Maybe tr3st. Does tr3st help with sex drive and all that? Dose it convert to test? Sorry for the questions, I'm not versed well on the newer PH. I just recently started doing research again. It was 2009 the last time my friend was doing it and I was interested.
 
Alpha314 said:
I was originally running dermacrine with my nano tren + Epi 2a 3a cycle, the derma did not suit me as was giving me a very dull head and also lethargy so i quit it and added in Test E 250 every tenth day this has balanced it out for a feel good energetic cycle thus far today being my 12 day looking good excellent recomp with the scales not budging for the first 8 days but now thank goodness the scales are now on a rapid incline.

Much surprised that the nano tren is waking me up with a rock hard wood and also vastly improving refactory times, the middle man thinks he is 18 again ha ha
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that's probably the test e waking him up like that. I would pin test but I don't have a reputable source and I'm trying to avoid pinning. Hence I'm trying to get my hands on a bottle of andrgel. This cycle I'm talking about here is like February so I have time!
 
HardEarned said:
Pinning? wowzers! I'm kind of scared to do it. I'm trying to get my hands on a bottle of androgel so I can use that as a test base with the dbol and epi. Otherwise I'll use dermacrine. Maybe tr3st. Does tr3st help with sex drive and all that? Dose it convert to test? Sorry for the questions, I'm not versed well on the newer PH. I just recently started doing research again. It was 2009 the last time my friend was doing it and I was interested.
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There is an oral test, here it is crappy tho. I think that depends on you, my libidio has been good on cycle. Trest isn't a ph. It is an active steroid from what I get? Trestolone.
 
isn't there a tr3st PH? are you talking about 4-ad as an oral test? I was thinking about taking that.

Sorry didn't mean to jack your thread nbshazeezee
 
HardEarned said:
that's probably the test e waking him up like that. I would pin test but I don't have a reputable source and I'm trying to avoid pinning. Hence I'm trying to get my hands on a bottle of andrgel. This cycle I'm talking about here is like February so I have time!
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I have cycled Test E often as TRT with no real improvement in wood, but now with the nano tren i notice a vast improvement in the area
 
HardEarned said:
isn't there a tr3st PH? are you talking about 4-ad as an oral test? I was thinking about taking that. Sorry didn't mean to jack your thread nbshazeezee
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Ment I think is the ph to trest aka trestolone. Trest is active. No there is an illegal oral test, methly test I believe. Another good thing about trest decanoate is it needs to be pinned only once a week.
 
Alpha314 said:
I have cycled Test E often as TRT with no real improvement in wood, but now with the nano tren i notice a vast improvement in the area
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oh wow. That's very interesting. I always though Tren to shut the wood down badly. Is it true that Test C helps the wood better than Test E mg to mg? I didn't think this would be true but I read something that said test c is better for sex drive. Isnt all test the same besides the half life?
 
HardEarned said:
oh wow. That's very interesting. I always though Tren to shut the wood down badly. Is it true that Test C helps the wood better than Test E mg to mg? I didn't think this would be true but I read something that said test c is better for sex drive. Isnt all test the same besides the half life?
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I am not sure about test c i just have Primoteston Depot Test enanthate 250 my doctor scrips me 1/2 dozen boxes each time and each box has 3 vials at 250 each,

over 12 years back my previous doctor put me on a big cycle of Deca i ran it for over 4 months of working out and laboring i ended up too massive for words, would walk into any pub and within minutes i would attract a big crowd with people just wanting to hang with me it was amazing ha ha , of course i never knew a thing about cycling or PCT my doctor told me nothing so i just kept on pinning lol, i never really did have any major issues except i did notice high BP and of course a good degree of lethargy, thank goodness i was not shut down
 
Alpha314 said:
I am not sure about test c i just have Primoteston Depot Test enanthate 250 my doctor scrips me 1/2 dozen boxes each time and each box has 3 vials at 250 each,

over 12 years back my previous doctor put me on a big cycle of Deca i ran it for over 4 months of working out and laboring i ended up too massive for words, would walk into any pub and within minutes i would attract a big crowd with people just wanting to hang with me it was amazing ha ha , of course i never knew a thing about cycling or PCT my doctor told me nothing so i just kept on pinning lol, i never really did have any major issues except i did notice high BP and of course a good degree of lethargy, thank goodness i was not shut down
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wow no caber no ai huh? just lots of deca. lol. I heard caber may be necessary for deca and tren

I heard caber is great to even just run by itself as its a dopamine agonist and has prominent sexual side effects (positive effects) and makes you feel good
 
is it? my buddy, wherever he gets his juice, gets his caber for cheap he says. He said I should just run it by itself and I'll love the sexual side effects. 50$ for 20 1mg tabs. take .5 mg a week (.25mg e3d)

was thinking of running it with my pct for the libido and GH.
 
HardEarned said:
is it? my buddy, wherever he gets his juice, gets his caber for cheap he says. He said I should just run it by itself and I'll love the sexual side effects. 50$ for 20 1mg tabs. take .5 mg a week (.25mg e3d) was thinking of running it with my pct for the libido and GH.
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Yeah it's def more expensive than prami. But yeah that might be nice not sure though. I've never tried it. It's worth a shot though
 
he thinks is full proof and harmless with no sides. I might run it as a stand alone after my pct while I wait for my next cycle. He says its better than test for sex.
 
Prami is more cheap to offset the fact that you will vomit a great amount of money out if you up the dose too fast.
 
nbshazeezee said:
That's interesting homie! I'll have to check it out
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yeah its worth looking into. you could spend 50$ a month on a gh supplement and only see a 100% increase in gh (barely) or you can get caber and see a 500% increase, plus crazy good sexual sides.

Yeah Prami is cool too. Not as intense on the sexual sides I think but good for GH. Cheaper may be worth it. But like Abe said, maybe youll end up spending that extra money for more food.
 
start caber at .12mg e3d, then bump up to .25mg Mondays and Thursdays
 
Hahha I know it's methylated... Hahah I just didn't correct him. I do have the can with the very clear 17a in the nomenclature
 
Argument for not starting cycles too early in your bodybuilding career: "You will not be able to grow off cycle"

Guy argues back: "If he recovers his natural test levels in time he will keep whatever he gained and can continue to grow off cycle assuming he is not past his genetic limit!"

I answer back: "you are right. If he recovers his natural test levels he should still be able to grow if he isn't beyond his genetic limit. However, it will still be harder to grow after a cycle even with your normal baseline test levels because some of the androgen receptors will be clogged up with the dead hormones from the cycle and unable to bind with your test. Basically you will be operating with fewer androgen receptors until the exogenous hormones are removed from the receptors (takes time), and the fewer androgen receptors there are binding with testosterone the weaker the anabolic action. Therefore it is tempting for someone to finish pct and jump on another cycle shortly after. If this happens several times in a row, a high concentration your receptor sites will all be clogged up with dead hormones yielding no more anabolic action. And even as the steroid cycles get fancier and fancier they will have diminishing effects and results. At this point there is no way your natural testosterone alone will be enough to make you grow! Heck exotic steroid cycle stacks barely yield the gains of your first cycle that was just a moderate dose of testosterone. "
 
HardEarned said:
Argument for not starting cycles too early in your bodybuilding career: "You will not be able to grow off cycle" Guy argues back: "If he recovers his natural test levels in time he will keep whatever he gained and can continue to grow off cycle assuming he is not past his genetic limit!" I answer back: "you are right. If he recovers his natural test levels he should still be able to grow if he isn't beyond his genetic limit. However, it will still be harder to grow after a cycle even with your normal baseline test levels because some of the androgen receptors will be clogged up with the dead hormones from the cycle and unable to bind with your test. Basically you will be operating with fewer androgen receptors until the exogenous hormones are removed from the receptors (takes time), and the fewer androgen receptors there are binding with testosterone the weaker the anabolic action. Therefore it is tempting for someone to finish pct and jump on another cycle shortly after. If this happens several times in a row, a high concentration your receptor sites will all be clogged up with dead hormones yielding no more anabolic action. And even as the steroid cycles get fancier and fancier they will have diminishing effects and results. At this point there is no way your natural testosterone alone will be enough to make you grow! Heck exotic steroid cycle stacks barely yield the gains of your first cycle that was just a moderate dose of testosterone. "
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Okay brother have you ever taken a university cell biology or molecular biology class. Right concept man but wrong mechanism


It's more from desensitizing... Not from "dead hormones."


But I'm not gonna argue. There are a lot of Google wizards with education not even past highschool that want to argue with Poole with 6 years plus education in molecular biology and such.
 
But yeah man agree with you. Like people are chasing the the effects of exogenous chemicals upping the doses trying to get the same effect.

It Happens with everything. Alcohol, amphetamines, painkillers , caffeine.

Your body just never responds to it as strongly as the first time and you have to take time off to get stronger effects
 
yeah your right about that too. Of course there is desensitizing. But there is also the time it takes for the receptors to clear the exogenous hormones.
 
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I mean sure. But still dude ask a PHd in about that I bet he would say that is negligible to the effects of desensitizing. You do know how receptors are formed and recycle on cells quite frequently on cells with high anabolic activity, right?
 
No I cant say I am familiar with that.

And maybe it not as significant as desensitizing, but together synergistically? That is a pretty huge effect, when this dude over here is on all kinds of juice, test, deca, tren, bla bla bla and its his 5th cycle and he gains a total of 15lbs, loses some of it and gets a little pudgy again after PCT. Compare that to someone who is doing test injections for the first time and gains 22 lbs. over the course of the cycle and recovers during pct quickly and keeps most of it. All I'm saying is I think people should grow as much as they can naturally, then when they decide they want to go into freak mode once in a while they can cycle, and get great results. What I've seen a lot of is people cycling when they are 140 to 160lbs gaining 15 or 20lbs (which they could have done naturally), then losing some of it, then having a hard time gaining after pct they jump on another cycle. They do this over and over cycle after cycle, putting their body through hell and in the end they don't even look that good. They are not even at their genetic potential never mind past it. And growing without roids? Forget it. They've ran like 5 cycles and don't even look like they do juice at all. And then a lot of guys end up on TRT, not even looking impressive.

You know how PHds are though. They are so textbook and so schooled that they almost stop thinking outside the box. And there isn't that much textbook stuff on the science of building muscle, who would fund it besides maybe an AIDS group to help with muscle wasting. They don't know as much about the science of building muscle as they do other fields. Some of the most knowledgeable guys are probably pro bodybuilders, pro trainers, and people who are enthusiasts with backgrounds in science.
 
Nah man, what you got to so is cruise and blast with test year round. Change up the compounds you use like EQ, tren, dbol, sd, winny, etc., during the blast phase and you will gain forever as the body adjust to one hormone, don't mean it has adapted to this new one, aight?


I have a degree in bro science trust me.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Nah man, what you got to so is cruise and blast with test year round. Change up the compounds you use like EQ, tren, dbol, sd, winny, etc., during the blast phase and you will gain forever as the body adjust to one hormone, don't mean it has adapted to this new one, aight?


I have a degree in bro science trust me.
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GOT IT! WHO LET THE ABES OUT?? WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF lol! good shiz bud, just like working out having to switch it up all the time to avoid stagnation... gotta keep the body guessing. good post man thanks for the hit!
 
that's damn good. whats the total weight gain?
 
HardEarned said:
that's damn good. whats the total weight gain?
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I was maybe like 15-18 lbs


I floated around 187-190 before the cycle.

Which is huge but remember I was eating like a ****ing bull.

And training like heavy weights and the the gym wasn't going to be around tomorrow
 
nbshazeezee said:
I was maybe like 15-18 lbs


I floated around 187-190 before the cycle.

Which is huge but remember I was eating like a ****ing bull.

And training like heavy weights and the the gym wasn't going to be around tomorrow
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Dude everything we have been doing is the same!! Start to finish.
 
Dma378 said:
X-Gels and DermaStrength or Ep1c. As well as adding Conqu3r and Vital1ty to my staples. Probably as excited about that combo as anything else.
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I would be too. Not gonna, you can make some serious gains from a good natty stack. We work out like ****ing wild banshees. Conquer is gonna take you over the top.



I love that it has twenty mg of tyrosine


I've been using tyrosine for years everyone k kick stims.... I always took 1500 to 2000 mg pre workout and I could definitely see the difference
 
nbshazeezee said:
I would be too. Not gonna, you can make some serious gains from a good natty stack. We work out like ****ing wild banshees. Conquer is gonna take you over the top.



I love that it has twenty mg of tyrosine


I've been using tyrosine for years everyone k kick stims.... I always took 1500 to 2000 mg pre workout and I could definitely see the difference
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Nice!! I'm also curious about the Betaine Anhydrous in Vital1ty. I was going to add that solo anyways.
 
Cool. Im trying to decide weather to eat above or at maintenance once I go into pct after my cycle. It seems your averaging right in the middle for your weight if im correct. People argue both ways from what ive seen.
 
Hrepp said:
Cool. Im trying to decide weather to eat above or at maintenance once I go into pct after my cycle. It seems your averaging right in the middle for your weight if im correct. People argue both ways from what ive seen.
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I like a little above maintaining. I feel like it's the perfect go to aim for with some higher and some lower days.
I would eat a little above just because the season. But if I was cycling when cuttingI wouldn't go much lower than maintenance.

If you eat around maintenance I feel like its a solid ground for recomp
 
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