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First cycle critique

ripped2shreds

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Hey guys,

I will be starting my first gear cycle soon and I was hoping people could give me some quality advice.

Stats:
-20yrs old
-participated in sports for 7 years(wrestling, football), serious lifting for 3
-6'3''
-190 lbs
-11% body fat

-2 previous ph cycles:
-Havoc 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
-Proper support supps
-Serm: Torimefene Citrate
-Suffered from estrogen rebound, bitch tits, took Letro for 3 weeks
-both cycles lasted 1 month with 2 week pct

-Diet: very clean
-2200-2500 cal
-lots of veggies, lean meats, healthy fats
-around 200g protein ed
-carb cycling
-every week i have one cheat meal

-workouts
-lifts 1 1/2hr-2 hrs
-constantly mixing things up(4-6 reps hypertrophy, 8-12 reps, burnouts, cross training)
-cardio ed when cutting, eod when maintaining, eood when bulking
-I rest when i feel like my body needs it

My goals: I do a bit of modeling, so im not interested in gaining an obscene amount of weight, much more interested in the dry, lean, cut look. Also whatever recommendations for holding onto gains would be appreciated.

Proposed cycle(s):
So i have two cycles in mind, critique on one or both.

1.
-weeks 1-6: testosterone enanthate 500mg/week, dbol 40mg/day, arimidex 1mg/day
-week 7: off
-weeks 8-16: Winstrol(injectable) 50 mg/day, Anavar 40 mg/day, clen 40mcg/day, arimidex 1mg/day, toremifine citrate 20mg/day

or

2.
-weeks 1-6: Winstrol(injectable) 50 mg/day, Anavar 40 mg/day, arimidex 1mg/day, toremifine citrate 20mg/day
-week 7: off
- weeks 8-16: Winstrol(injectable) 50 mg/day, Anavar 40 mg/day, clen 40mcg/day, arimidex 1mg/day, toremifine citrate 20mg/day

(recommendations for pct would be helpful)

support supps: liv 52, life support

So im sure many will ask why am i not just doing a basic cycle, and the reason is that i am fairly confident that i will not make mistakes(ie injection mishaps) because i have a few experienced friends and also a friend in the medical field. But also as i said earlier, i am not looking for a bulky look just yet, my friends that have used the basic test cycles gained way too much bulk and bloat. and the sides to winstrol and anavar are quite low and due to my past gyno history i hope to avoid as many sides as i can.

So thanks in advance for any advice. if there are any other proposed cycles out there with my goals in mind i would appreciate the input.

No flaming please, were all grown ups here.

So to sum up the questions:
1. What advice can you give on these stacks?
2. Which stack would be better?
3. Any other stacks i can look into?
4. PCT Recommendations?

Thanks again,

Ripped2Shreds
 
Be prepared your about to get it from the other members. Mainly because of age and previous cycles because of your age

Edit: Troll is obvious troll
 
You haven't gained enough on your own. You haven't gotten to know your own body yet. I think because of your height and weight, you need to eat more. Steroids won't help if your not eating right.
 
To those saying i have not done well naturally, in high school i was 6'1 and wrestled at 152lbs and played football around 160lbs. when i started my ph cycles i was 19, and i weighed 178lbs.

so from the time i finished high school i was around 160 and before my ph cycles i was i was around 180, just to reiterate. so in a span of a year and a half i gained 20 lbs of dry muscle.

but i believed i reached my potential because for a span of 6 months i made absolutely no progress in my training. and no matter how often i changed up my training, i still saw little results.

Most of the men in my family are tall and skinny. My dad when he was my age was 6'1 160lbs, and my uncles were around the same. which is why i tried the ph cycle.

on the ph cycle i was able to get up to 200lbs, but then after the pct lost 10. so at this point this is why i am going to try a gear cycle.

while i understand your guys' concern about my age, its one of those things where i am going to do it anyway, so at least give me some solid advice.

i am also coming off a red shirt season for wrestling and the pressure to put on more size for the 197lb weight class is daunting. my coaches have recommended gear but the way they get it is kind of sketchy.

so please guys, discuss!
 
and just so people understand my situation better, here are some of my lifting stats.

225lbs bench 8 reps
335lbs squat 8 reps
max pull ups 17 reps

and i cant for the life of me make these any better!
 
first off you havent even started to see what ur natural potential will be at 20 listen man ur seriously under weight for your height 6'3 190lbs dude you need weight gainers and food not aas and your cycles are whack enth takes anywhere from 4-6 weeks to kick in and winny will make you even smaller than you are now im not trying to be a dick but mabye if ur dead set on a cycle run dbol and test enth

1-12 test enth 500mg week
1-4 dbol 15-25mg ed

i would stick with natural methods of lifting for a few years i mean realisticly u probably hit puberty around 14-15 thats only five years of natural test and growth u can really mess up ur endocrine system doing gear this young trust me u should be able to get up to at least 210, bodybuilding is a life long process even if ur not making gains in size ur getting stronger in ur neurological system or central nervous system to clarify, a real bodybuilder will tell u how hard it is to gain a lean pound of bodymass everyone thinks by getting on there gonna get jacked and stay jacked but it doesnt work that way knowledge is power and patience and dedication will get you farther than u think
 
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