first cycle confusion

[BOVEY]

I was speaking to a former pro bodybuilder yesterday in the gym

He says that

1) 500mg of test e per week will not be enough to make me grow because of my size already (231lbs)
2) 12 weeks is far too long a cycle
3) I must kickstart cycle with dbol and take 750mg of test doing 4 weeks on, come off the gear completely for 2 weeks, as gear will still be in my system and then go on for another 4 weeks taking hcg only as pct

Your thoughts guys, im now very confused

 

[DAdams91982]

I was speaking to a former pro bodybuilder yesterday in the gym

He says that

1) 500mg of test e per week will not be enough to make me grow because of my size already (231lbs)
2) 12 weeks is far too long a cycle
3) I must kickstart cycle with dbol and take 750mg of test doing 4 weeks on, come off the gear completely for 2 weeks, as gear will still be in my system and then go on for another 4 weeks taking hcg only as pct

Your thoughts guys, im now very confused

1)Some like to go a little higher.. but if its your first cycle... looks solid.
2)WRONG
3)WRONG

Look dont listen to anything he says.. he is full of ****... .read up around here, with Test E, its a good bet to start the HCG around 4th - 6th week, and running through.

Basically brain purge everything he told you.

Adams

 

[Beelzebub]

ignore him. horrible advice IMO. 500mg/wk will suffice but of course you'll notice more from 750mg/wk. the rest of his 'info' is garbage.

 

[BOVEY]

What about 8 weeks @ 750mg

First 4 weeks of dbol @ 30mg ed

He also told me to take the 5mg dbol tabs 8,6,4,2 instead of straight up 30mg

Is 8 weeks too short a cycle, I have 24, 250mg vials

 

[Matthew D]

Bovey,
Not trying to be harsh but you are really not ready to start a cycle yet. You have way to many questions that you need to answer before you can get started... one being the length of the cycle
8 weeks is a very very short cycle if you are using test enath or cyp.. in most cases it will not really start become apparent to you that you are using something till about week 4. Next, you will need to address the dosing of the dbol... why taper it? what was the reason he said that you need to taper? Finally, I hate to ask but do you have your PCT all put together?

 

[BOVEY]

I have done plenty of research

I was all set on a 12 week cycle @ 500mg p/wk until I spoke to this guy, I thought the fact that he is a former professional bodybuilder had been there and done that his advice would be useful.

He told me that 12 weeks was far too long hence my confusion over which is correct

Im assuming his suggestion that tapering the dbol dosage is to keep blood levels stable and to maintain a constant supply of the drug as half life is only 3-6 hours

I have nolva, clomid and hcg for pct

He told me I would only need the nolva incase gyno symptoms occurred, I would not need clomid as it is a weaker form of hcg, so one shot of hcg and the end of the cycle would be sufficient

 

[Beelzebub]

clomid is a weaker form of HCG?

bro, please ignore him and never ask him any questions in the future. you had a good cycle laid out then you went and asked that dude. i'm sure it seems that he's knowledgeable being that he was a former pro, but damn. it sounds like he's giving you old school AAS advice, especially being that he suggested HCG at the end. go with your original plan of 12 weeks, with 4 weeks of dbol at the start (30mgs throughout). JMO

besides, if he was a former pro, i doubt he knows **** about coming off.

 

[BOVEY]

Beelz

Yes I think you are right his 4 weeks on 2 weeks off 4 weeks on approach sounds like something someone who cycles all year round would do.

I will go with my original cycle of 12 weeks

Can you explain again how to use the HCG correctly

Thanks dude

 

[motiv8er]

Search
"Swale's Protocol"

swale

Dr. Swale

 

[Ubiquitous]

this is good proof of a point I made in another thread about many IFBB pros not knowing what the **** they are talking about. Thanks Bovey.

Don't let gym talk confuse you..

good luck.

 

[Beelzebub]

Beelz

Yes I think you are right his 4 weeks on 2 weeks off 4 weeks on approach sounds like something someone who cycles all year round would do.

I will go with my original cycle of 12 weeks

Can you explain again how to use the HCG correctly

Thanks dude

no problem brudda. anyhoo, like motiv8er said about swale's protocol. 250iu's/2x per week/throughout the cycle.