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first cycle and suggestions

ok thanks :)
 
would anybody be interested if ill start a log on this next monday?
 
I just know a few guys that get pharma grade var and they can't go above 50 mg or sides become terrible. The one makes great gains off just 40 and I have see some other vets on here say that they get by with 30 mg. I didn't mean to say it to offend you or anything, as I would rather get some under dosed gear than contaminated ****. I just wanted to bring to your attention that maybe you should continue to look for some other sources when you finish the cycle. And if not it really doesn't matter.

I just share this info as well because I was taught by some guys on here to run var at like 80-100 mg and then when I was telling these guys they laughed in my face. I just thought they were being lil bit¢hes but they had legit gear. If they didn't warn me i would have started at probably 60 mg and tried to make my way up to 80 and I would have been in a world of hurt. So I figured its better to spread the good word than to have anyone cause harm to themselves.
 
Viking23 said:
I just know a few guys that get pharma grade var and they can't go above 50 mg or sides become terrible. The one makes great gains off just 40 and I have see some other vets on here say that they get by with 30 mg. I didn't mean to say it to offend you or anything, as I would rather get some under dosed gear than contaminated ****. I just wanted to bring to your attention that maybe you should continue to look for some other sources when you finish the cycle. And if not it really doesn't matter.

I just share this info as well because I was taught by some guys on here to run var at like 80-100 mg and then when I was telling these guys they laughed in my face. I just thought they were being lil bit¢hes but they had legit gear. If they didn't warn me i would have started at probably 60 mg and tried to make my way up to 80 and I would have been in a world of hurt. So I figured its better to spread the good word than to have anyone cause harm to themselves.
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really really really appreciated man.... honestly ,thanks.

the gear i have is coming from a guy which is known in the gym and everybody trust him, also its from pharmacom, which is after alpha pharma, the one underground company most appreciated.... of course, as you said the pharmaceutical grade would be much better but unfortunately i don't know how to get it here in UK and its not really easy... i just would like not to find dianabol or other chi** in it....

i wanted to start with 50mg indeed... do you guys have some tips in order to understand... if the thing i am taking is..... legit?
 
guys one thing... i am wondering, either 60-80mg should it split it in half and half or 3 doses or just all in the morning? empty stomach? i read that this is alive in the system for 9 hours... i have 10mg pills
 
I used pharamacom as well. 60 is fine. You always get headaches for the first week so lots of vitamin c helps.

As i said before split 30 am and 30 pm 8 hours later cuz of the halflife. There are really no bad sides with var.

Doesn't matter with food or not.

Maybe the old days were super concentrated or something, but that var was like 20 years ago. Ive tried two types of legit ones and they both were fine at -80. Girls use 20 var so i mean...

You'll know your var is good if in two weeks you have crazy pumps just walking around like you have to try to lift your legs.
 
Contaygious said:
I used pharamacom as well. 60 is fine. You always get headaches for the first week so lots of vitamin c helps.

As i said before split 30 am and 30 pm 8 hours later cuz of the halflife. There are really no bad sides with var.

Doesn't matter with food or not.

Maybe the old days were super concentrated or something, but that var was like 20 years ago. Ive tried two types of legit ones and they both were fine at -80. Girls use 20 var so i mean...

You'll know your var is good if in two weeks you have crazy pumps just walking around like you have to try to lift your legs.
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ok, so 3 cp in the morning and 3 cp 8 hours later....

what you mean by lift your legs??

also...

what you think, should i take ad3 and armor cycle during or after?

or, armor cycle during and ad3 after? (leecheek nutrition)

thanks once again!
 
Contaygious said:
I used pharamacom as well. 60 is fine. You always get headaches for the first week so lots of vitamin c helps.

As i said before split 30 am and 30 pm 8 hours later cuz of the halflife. There are really no bad sides with var.

Doesn't matter with food or not.

Maybe the old days were super concentrated or something, but that var was like 20 years ago. Ive tried two types of legit ones and they both were fine at -80. Girls use 20 var so i mean...

You'll know your var is good if in two weeks you have crazy pumps just walking around like you have to try to lift your legs.
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also man.... do you think i will be able to put on at least 2kg of lean? and maintain that?
 
anybody interested if i start a log?
 
Go for it! I usually get 10 lean lbs min

Get ready to do lots if reps man. When it kicks in you can do like 100 of everything easy ha
 
Contaygious said:
Go for it! I usually get 10 lean lbs min

Get ready to do lots if reps man. When it kicks in you can do like 100 of everything easy ha
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you talking about the magic potion i guess and not about var lol...... i just HOPE this will be legit :)

mate, sorry to keep asking, what do you think about the supplementation during and after, i wrote some stuff here on the first page... would you please have a look on it and share your thoughts?

also... 3cp in the morning and 3cp after 8h

and... i did a log for the last supplementation cycle but almost nobody was interested :( so i am wondering, i wanna do the log but if this is too easy for you guys i will avoid wasting your time :)
 
The supps are fine man. Dont overthink it. Just 3 am and 3 8 hours later. Take the liver support split like the var and do your lipid support and do the nolva as pct and the rest is bonus. Var is the safest one of all so thats why it's a simpler cycle. Not many var only logs so it wouldnt hurt
 
Contaygious said:
The supps are fine man. Dont overthink it. Just 3 am and 3 8 hours later. Take the liver support split like the var and do your lipid support and do the nolva as pct and the rest is bonus. Var is the safest one of all so thats why it's a simpler cycle. Not many var only logs so it wouldnt hurt
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thanks amn, my only doubt, running the armor cylce with and ad-3 with var too, or at the end?

ok, i will start on monday let see.... in the meantime i will keep you posted..
 
Ill take a look at those today and get back, i never used em. Lemme see whats in them
 
Xrkc6x said:
ok, i got

MN liver stabil
MN Lipid stabil
PCT ad-3+armor cycle

and for after the cycle

erase pro
abe
t-up
ad-3 (part of the stack above)

question: do i have to take the ad-3 while on cycle? i don't think so....

hemavol for pre wo

at the end climid and nolva

hope to be covered enough :)

thanks guys
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this is the things i got :)
 
did you have the time t lo at it man? thanks anyway :)
 
Run the ad-3 after cycle on your pct. run cycle armor with the var. cycle armor is the same as the liver and lipid support so you could run armor on cycle and use the liver and lipid support on pct to heal everything if you want
 
Contaygious said:
Run the ad-3 after cycle on your pct. run cycle armor with the var. cycle armor is the same as the liver and lipid support so you could run armor on cycle and use the liver and lipid support on pct to heal everything if you want
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Ok, I'll do and also I'll split bar as cycle armor too

Thx
 
So I'm almost there guys im just waiting to have all with me and then start.
One more important question to me was: does var decrease your libido? I know that usually a steroid increase your libido but I'm not sure about this one, would you recc using proviron? Also what about back pumps? I bought some taurine to fix this... Please suggestions?
Thx
 
No back pumps. Libido will increase but when you get to end it decreases as you are suppressed. You can use cialus if you want to get through pct. It's normal as your body will be focused on other things
 
Contaygious said:
No back pumps. Libido will increase but when you get to end it decreases as you are suppressed. You can use cialus if you want to get through pct. It's normal as your body will be focused on other things
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thanks!

cialus??
 
i might suggest real Anavar not sure where your getting yours and don't want to know. But a waste of money to buy anavar on the net it is probably not the real deal. Just trying to help.
 
keith1958 said:
i might suggest real Anavar not sure where your getting yours and don't want to know. But a waste of money to buy anavar on the net it is probably not the real deal. Just trying to help.
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i got pharmacom with hologram sealed and alpha pharma with serial number on the box to scratch. all sealed.... so i guess its legit, also, i can post pictures but i dont know if i can here...

thanks anyway
 
Viking23 said:
Serial number doesn't matter. I have seen a few big time ugls with them.
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mate, based on what you are saying then, there is NO way to be sure..... they are sealed and i have checked online on many forum, and looks legit 100%, if inside there is rat poison i don't know but let me say that if they are fake, they guys spent LOT of time and money to make this fake as they are properly ******* good looking and with embossed writings, embossed pills with make on it, foil on the side and on the name, holographic seal, everything also i bought it on a website with more than 1500 review since 2005 on Roi*** website...

said that what do you mean by UGL? underground?
 
Xrkc6x said:
mate, based on what you are saying then, there is NO way to be sure..... they are sealed and i have checked online on many forum, and looks legit 100%, if inside there is rat poison i don't know but let me say that if they are fake, they guys spent LOT of time and money to make this fake as they are properly ******* good looking and with embossed writings, embossed pills with make on it, foil on the side and on the name, holographic seal, everything also i bought it on a website with more than 1500 review since 2005 on Roi*** website... said that what do you mean by UGL? underground?
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There's no way to be 100% sure, short of testing it. But if your source is highly respected, etc., you take your chances and it's probably not a horrible gamble. If you think about it, they wouldn't have to spend that much for proper looking pills with a holographic seal etc. If they produce enough quantity they could easily make up the difference in cost by selling a product based on cheaper raws. If anything it might be underdosed but short of legit, pharma grade, you never really know.
 
Exactly also I could post picture if you like..
 
Yeah man I don't mean to bare the bad news. I just know there are a lot of fake gear roaming around these days. It really sucks because from what I'm told you never had to worry about under dosed or bunk gear a couple (10+) years ago. But the way things have changed it became cut throat and its just the way the world is changing today. Everyone is for themselves and there is very little loyalty so if you find someone you can trust don't mess it up..

I got burned a few times but it also taught me were to look and you may have been the lucky guy that stumbled upon a good source right off the bat. Sources dont last forever tho so, it never hurts to have a fall back one. And lastly never spend more than you can afford to lose
 
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Yeah man I don't mean to bare the bad news. I just know there are a lot of fake gear roaming around these days. It really sucks because from what I'm told you never had to worry about under dosed or bunk gear a couple (10+) years ago. But the way things have changed it became cut throat and its just the way the world is changing today. Everyone is for themselves and there is very little loyalty so if you find someone you can trust don't mess it up..

I got burned a few times but it also taught me were to look and you may have been the lucky guy that stumbled upon a good source right off the bat. Sources dont last forever tho so, it never hurts to have a fall back one. And lastly never spend more than you can afford to lose
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thanks i appreciate your comments mate
 
Make sure you are checking on a non sponsor board tho. A lot of places sources can pay so the mods delete all had reviews. So really beware on what info you believe .
 
Viking23 said:
Make sure you are checking on a non sponsor board tho. A lot of places sources can pay so the mods delete all had reviews. So really beware on what info you believe .
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and i have checked the product, scratching the serial number and it is confirmed on the official alpha pharma website, if even this is fake, i think that there is NO way to get roids anymore....

thanks
 
I consider fake under dosed gear as well. But you would be surprised what some place go through to scam. You probably have nothing to worry about bro. Get blood work in the middle of cycle and then you will know .
 
Viking23 said:
I consider fake under dosed gear as well. But you would be surprised what some place go through to scam. You probably have nothing to worry about bro. Get blood work in the middle of cycle and then you will know .
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thanks mate, appreciate your advice, you know what exact to test for blood work??
 
You want to go get the female hormones panel. That way it will check everything. Make sure you get the exact test amount . Some will just say that its greater than 1500 (1500>) unless asked prior to test.
 
thanks :) will do after 3/4 weeks
 
Yeah do it around week 4 and good luck brotha. Anything pops up let me know and I'll help with what I can
 
ok guys, i thought you wanted to know how am i going on the var

started on 13th of October
60mg ed splitted 30mg in the morning upon wake upo and 40mg at 6pm as a pre wo
taking 50mg of proviron too, splitted 25mg with first dose of var and 25mg with second
tomorrow will be one week

i know its too early but i wanted to share my thoughts. I am feeling lot more strength and i am able to add some good reps to every exercise i am doing in the gym without any effort, my muscles look hard and full even if i am "no big lol" (thai boxer).

i am not taking anymore abe, erase and nothing else, just the basics, bcaa, proteins, omega, liver support, cycle armor and things already discussed here.

i am noticing lot more of veins and fullness, i know it si early as said but i am pretty much sure that i was not like that last week.

here some pictures...

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pumps btw are insane, for example i was at home on the pictures above, not working out and as you can see, at least for me, those pumps are good :)

i am thinking to go up next week to 80mg and i would take the 20mg more before sleep, so based on the fact that var last 9h i will be covering all 24h ish... what you think?

btw my var is the alpha pharma one, went on their website, scratched the code, matched the code with serial and it was resulting legit boxes came sealed too.

let me know what you think

two more question, do you think to take nolvadex at the end only or while im running the cycle? what if i will add 50mg of winstrol per day?

thanks!
 
Looking good bro! Var veins rock! Twice a day split 40 and 40 is fine. Dont add winny please. Keep it simple this round. Var and winny will be too much and winny hurts your joints a lot. Like i said var does not aromitize so you dont need nolva til end to jump start your test again. No reason for it yet.

It will only get better trust me so just wait and see!
 
Contaygious said:
Looking good bro! Var veins rock! Twice a day split 40 and 40 is fine. Dont add winny please. Keep it simple this round. Var and winny will be too much. Like i said var does not aromitize so you dont need nolva til end to jump start your test again. No reason for it yet.

It will only get better trust me so just wait and see!
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thanks! so nolva at the end, even if i never understood why it should raise up the test since it is used for breast cancer.... and no winny, ok, 80 then 40+40, from tomorrow bro?

hope this wilol improve as this is just the first week :)

i have ordered the test kit on labmax tho :P
 
Yeah did you get headaches the first week? Might get that again when you raise dose. Lots of vitamin c will help with it.
 
Contaygious said:
Yeah did you get headaches the first week? Might get that again when you raise dose. Lots of vitamin c will help with it.
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actually no man, i just have a fu*** pain on my neck, base of the neck i feel like pump there too :) lol
 
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Ehm nope I was just testing the thread posting features
 
i thought an update was needed so here i am :)

i am on the 3rd week, @80mg ed of var (alpha pharma) and 50mg ed of proviron (Bayer)

i am starting seriously to feel it.... i feel all the time pumps all around my body and every time i eat, anything, i feel even more pumped, no side effects till now.... touch wood, since i started i put 3kg, but, im seeing a bit of water, when i was on erase pro and abe and forskolin 95 i was more "rock solid" now, i am bigger, more density, more volume, more veins but a bit of water, but, i am happy, hopefully i will remove all the water once starting pct, or, even better, i will grow so much that the water will disappear ahahahah i wish it was like that ahahha but i am pretty much coonfident since this is the end f 3rd and i am going to start next week at 100mg a day and 75mg a day of proviron and i still have 7 weeks! so happy :)

based on my withings scale i am 69.2 kg @5.8% body fat, of course the scale is using electro-something method to measure the fat so it is not correct, BUT, i am using it as a "number" at least i know that the body fat shouldn't go up while body weight should :) if this make sense to you guys :)

here some pics of Sunday and this morning :) please comment and let me know what you think :)

any comment is much appreciated, any question i am here :)

any suggestion even better! please!

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please remember i AM NOT a body builder, im a thai boxer and this is my first cycle ever :)
 
Subbed. How did you not tell me you had this thread going ha?

As for the pics, do you have some pre cycle to compare too? You're really lean so it def doesn't look like you're holding any water
 
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