R1_JKN
New member
Hello folks,
Let me start out by saying I'm not after a quick fix or "my friend told me this stuff is good so I got it." I've done quite a bit of research over the past year and change, and have decided now is the time. That being said, I do not know everything about everything, and absolutely appreciate any and all advice you folks may have for me. Good, bad... it's all great as long as it's constructive. (We all know how this sort of thing can go on other sites...)
My backstory... most all my life I was 120lbs. In highschool I was between 85-110 depending on what year it was. College I ended up graduating about 120. In the years after, even being active (avid snowboarder, mountain biked, hiked, fished, boxing, etc) I still was about 120-125. In my mid 20s my metabolism slowed down and I had the same body I did at 120lbs, aside from everything was round, a pot belly (bad), and fat face. My wrists are 6", and my bi's were about 7-8". Muscle was always VERY difficult for me to put on. So when I was 28, I was embarrassed about what my body had become. I was 180 and the epitome of skinny fat. I spent a few months lifting and swimming every day. During this time I focused on lifting to prepare myself for going hard without injury. I managed to have a partial AC separation that set my chest back pretty bad for the time being... but on Jan 1 of 2010 I was 165 and had a "skinny but sort of athletic build." (Not ripped, but I was more 'normal') I lifted heavy as hell, and by Jan 1, 2011 I had gotten my deadlift from 80 to 325 in a year and a half. My bench max was 185 (although I can't really bench heavy due to the AC issue) and my dumbbell press was 70 x 14. I would squat 175 close stance ATG (lacking, I know) but had 22" quads, 15" calves. For the seated calf raise I use 4 plates generally.
At this point I was 186lbs and about 16%. (Focused on gaining muscle rather than losing fat as I needed a good base).
Spring/summer of 2011 I cut down to 145 (strength stayed the same, so I kept going) and was around 8% I believe. My full oblique visibility, quad separation, visible veins over (very) lower abs and over obliques. Shoulder and trap striations and the like.
From 2011-Jan 1 2012 I lifted heavy, but saw little strength gains. I started eating a bit more, strength stayed the same but I went up to about 10-11% body fat. Still good, but not nearly the amount of lean mass I want.
I'm 31 now, metabolism is slow, pretty clear test levels have dropped, and I'm having a hell of a time putting on lean mass. I got great noob gains, slow but reasonable gains for a while, now almost nothing, and want to run a cycle to see how I react. I was never opposed to it, but wanted to wait until I was lifting a few years, and had hit some sort of plateau.
Well, as much as it sucks... I feel like I have. Awful genetics? Sure... but hey, so what... we can fight them!
Tonight is the last beer I'm having for three months, and diet is going to be back on point... macros in great order, watch calories like a hawk, etc.
As far as the cycle goes...
Week 1
Liver Assist XT
Multi (Orange Triad)
Creatine (last week of it for a while)
Fish Oil
Protein
Week 2
Liver Assist XT (2 am, 1pm)
H-Drol (50mg) (1am 1pm)
Orange Triad (2am, 2 lunch, 2dinner)
Fish Oil (1am, 1 lunch, 2 prebed)
Protein
Week 3-7
Liver Assist XT (2a, 1p)
H-Drol (75mg) (2am, 1pm)
Multi/Fishoil/protein/etc
Week 8
Liver Assist XT (2a, 1p)
Nolva (20mg AM)
Testopro (2am, 2pm)
DAA (2am)
Inhibit E (1pm)
Multi/Fishoil/protein/etc
Creatine
Week 9
Liver Assist XT (2a, 1p)
Nolva (20mg am)
TestoPro (2am, 2pm)
DAA (2am)
Inhibit E (1am, 1pm)
Multi/Fishoil/protein/etc
Creatine
Week 10-11
Liver Assist XT (2am, 1pm)
Nolva (10mg AM)
TestoPro (2am, 2pm)
DAA (2 am)
Inhibit E (1am, 1pm)
Creatine
Any advice at all? I have had good luck with TestoPro (psychosomatic or not, it helped mood/sex drive/etc) and DAA... but I feel DAA could be overkill as it is. Also considering Lean Xtreme again, had good luck with it on my cut, but that's easy to come by and in the cupboard.
Normally I do a pretty standard 4-5 day split (the 5th day is "polish" or core work if I need it) and focus on compound lifts and heavy as hell. Usually most sets 5-7 rep range, with at least one per group that's 10-12. I seem to respond best to that.
Let me start out by saying I'm not after a quick fix or "my friend told me this stuff is good so I got it." I've done quite a bit of research over the past year and change, and have decided now is the time. That being said, I do not know everything about everything, and absolutely appreciate any and all advice you folks may have for me. Good, bad... it's all great as long as it's constructive. (We all know how this sort of thing can go on other sites...)
My backstory... most all my life I was 120lbs. In highschool I was between 85-110 depending on what year it was. College I ended up graduating about 120. In the years after, even being active (avid snowboarder, mountain biked, hiked, fished, boxing, etc) I still was about 120-125. In my mid 20s my metabolism slowed down and I had the same body I did at 120lbs, aside from everything was round, a pot belly (bad), and fat face. My wrists are 6", and my bi's were about 7-8". Muscle was always VERY difficult for me to put on. So when I was 28, I was embarrassed about what my body had become. I was 180 and the epitome of skinny fat. I spent a few months lifting and swimming every day. During this time I focused on lifting to prepare myself for going hard without injury. I managed to have a partial AC separation that set my chest back pretty bad for the time being... but on Jan 1 of 2010 I was 165 and had a "skinny but sort of athletic build." (Not ripped, but I was more 'normal') I lifted heavy as hell, and by Jan 1, 2011 I had gotten my deadlift from 80 to 325 in a year and a half. My bench max was 185 (although I can't really bench heavy due to the AC issue) and my dumbbell press was 70 x 14. I would squat 175 close stance ATG (lacking, I know) but had 22" quads, 15" calves. For the seated calf raise I use 4 plates generally.
At this point I was 186lbs and about 16%. (Focused on gaining muscle rather than losing fat as I needed a good base).
Spring/summer of 2011 I cut down to 145 (strength stayed the same, so I kept going) and was around 8% I believe. My full oblique visibility, quad separation, visible veins over (very) lower abs and over obliques. Shoulder and trap striations and the like.
From 2011-Jan 1 2012 I lifted heavy, but saw little strength gains. I started eating a bit more, strength stayed the same but I went up to about 10-11% body fat. Still good, but not nearly the amount of lean mass I want.
I'm 31 now, metabolism is slow, pretty clear test levels have dropped, and I'm having a hell of a time putting on lean mass. I got great noob gains, slow but reasonable gains for a while, now almost nothing, and want to run a cycle to see how I react. I was never opposed to it, but wanted to wait until I was lifting a few years, and had hit some sort of plateau.
Well, as much as it sucks... I feel like I have. Awful genetics? Sure... but hey, so what... we can fight them!
Tonight is the last beer I'm having for three months, and diet is going to be back on point... macros in great order, watch calories like a hawk, etc.
As far as the cycle goes...
Week 1
Liver Assist XT
Multi (Orange Triad)
Creatine (last week of it for a while)
Fish Oil
Protein
Week 2
Liver Assist XT (2 am, 1pm)
H-Drol (50mg) (1am 1pm)
Orange Triad (2am, 2 lunch, 2dinner)
Fish Oil (1am, 1 lunch, 2 prebed)
Protein
Week 3-7
Liver Assist XT (2a, 1p)
H-Drol (75mg) (2am, 1pm)
Multi/Fishoil/protein/etc
Week 8
Liver Assist XT (2a, 1p)
Nolva (20mg AM)
Testopro (2am, 2pm)
DAA (2am)
Inhibit E (1pm)
Multi/Fishoil/protein/etc
Creatine
Week 9
Liver Assist XT (2a, 1p)
Nolva (20mg am)
TestoPro (2am, 2pm)
DAA (2am)
Inhibit E (1am, 1pm)
Multi/Fishoil/protein/etc
Creatine
Week 10-11
Liver Assist XT (2am, 1pm)
Nolva (10mg AM)
TestoPro (2am, 2pm)
DAA (2 am)
Inhibit E (1am, 1pm)
Creatine
Any advice at all? I have had good luck with TestoPro (psychosomatic or not, it helped mood/sex drive/etc) and DAA... but I feel DAA could be overkill as it is. Also considering Lean Xtreme again, had good luck with it on my cut, but that's easy to come by and in the cupboard.
Normally I do a pretty standard 4-5 day split (the 5th day is "polish" or core work if I need it) and focus on compound lifts and heavy as hell. Usually most sets 5-7 rep range, with at least one per group that's 10-12. I seem to respond best to that.
what I will say is things aren't making progress so this is a strong consideration.... however education and safety is extremely important.
