first cycle 300mgs test/300 mgs deca?side affects

Segugio said:
"The anabolic:androgenic ratio of many products can be found in a multitude of ancient studies, but many agree this ratio has lost any and all meaning. Secondly it is worth noting that the anabolic:androgenic ratio of a product can differ strongly with the length of the ester attached to it15,16."

Do you have a link to his citations (15, 16)? I am extremely curious as to where this information was derived.
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Did i post up an androgenic ratio? No, but anyone whos taken tren will vouch it is MUCH MORE androgenic than testosterone and if you have taken tren and dont notice that, then your tren is bunk. Androgens tend to make me very vascular hard, sex drive extremely high and aggressive and oily ass skin.

Ive seen the Anabolic Androgenic Ratio list, while i may not believe those numbers are EXACT. I do know Tren is the highest ****in androgenic steroid ive ever taken.
 
KBD said:
Even without one he would be fine.

Testosterone isnt a anti-prolactin.

So if your taking 400mg of deca and 600mg of test compared to 250mg of test, libido would still be affected by prolactin regardless of the test dose.

But nandrolones and other AAS cannot suppress exogenous test.

If your suffering libido issues on deca/tren you need a anti-prolactin. Doubling the test dose will just raise estrogen levels more. And high estrogen and high prolactin arent friendly on your sex drive at all.

Me and a couple other buddies can take tren and have a higher libido than we do on test. But in others it kills sex drive because of prolactin, not because of a testosterone dose.

The reason i come to believe tren raises sex drive is its extremely high androgenic ratio.

Deca raises prolactin with a very LOW androgenic ratio. Hence why deca **** could be worse than tren ****.
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I'm not at all in disagreement. Controlling prolactin is far more effective than increasing androgens. I just did not see any indication that he was in possession of either Pramipexole or Cabergoline.

If your ingredients are Test and Deca, the best you can do is increase the amount of the stronger androgen. I was under the impression that he had only those two items.
 
Segugio said:
I'm not at all in disagreement. Controlling prolactin is far more effective than increasing androgens. I just did not see any indication that he was in possession of either Pramipexole or Cabergoline.

If your ingredients are Test and Deca, the best you can do is increase the amount of the stronger androgen. I was under the impression that he had only those two items.
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Idk if he has them or not, but why are you believing increasing the androgen will solve the problem?
 
KBD said:
Idk if he has them or not, but why are you believing increasing the androgen will solve the problem?
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It doesn't "solve" anything. I said it was an action favorable to libido, given that those are the only two compounds he possesses.

If everything acted through a single consistent mechanism, there would be no need to research. Androgens increase libido through pathways that do not involve prolactin.

Just because a Dopamine Agonist increases libido doesn't mean that it is some sort of antidote to Nandrolone, or that it has any effect on the estrogenic expression of said compound.

One could just as easily claim that Nandrolone increases PDE5 expression, because Cialis works, or that it decreases Melanocortin expression, because Bremelanotide works. They're all completely unrelated (as far as today's science knows). There is a more substantial relationship between Androgens, Estrogens, and Prolactin, but it is still not a clean cut cause-and-effect.
 
Segugio said:
It doesn't "solve" anything. I said it was an action favorable to libido, given that those are the only two compounds he possesses.

If everything acted through a single consistent mechanism, there would be no need to research. Androgens increase libido through pathways that do not involve prolactin.

Just because a Dopamine Agonist increases libido doesn't mean that it is some sort of antidote to Nandrolone, or that it has any effect on the estrogenic expression of said compound.

One could just as easily claim that Nandrolone increases PDE5 expression, because Cialis works, or that it decreases Melanocortin expression, because Bremelanotide works. They're all completely unrelated (as far as today's science knows). There is a more substantial relationship between Androgens, Estrogens, and Prolactin, but it is still not a clean cut cause-and-effect.
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I agree with what your saying, but to be honest i dont notice a difference between 300mg and 600mg of test when it comes to libido. actually, the higher my test is, the lower my libido gets due to high estrogen, i believe a good dose of deca/tren(400mg a week) with a trt dose of test (250mg) a week, is enough to maintain sex drive. Not arguin brotha, just learnin.. just learnin :afro:
 
Hi guys, I am 34 and just stared my first cycle 3 weeks ago. I take 250 deca and 250 testogel every week for 10 weeks. I just stared feeling the sensitiveness in my nipples and my right side kind of felt sore today so it freaked me out a little bit. I have nolva in hand and just ordered liquidex and letro, they should be here in couple of days. My question is am i taking the right dose of deca and test? Is it normal to feel sensitive in the early stage of cycle? If it is the initiation of gyno, which route to take? Is it ok to take nolva during cycle or just take A.i or letro during and keep the nolva for pct? Am i too late for A.i or letro? I guess i m prone to gyno :( Please help!!!...Thanks...
 
Provided it's from the test an AI should suffice. Armidex or aromasin are the popular ones but letro will kill it faster than the others. If it's from the deca (progesterone related) you'll need caber or prami. There is one other thing that it could be from and that is a raise in estren levels and as far as I know the only thing that can reverse estren related gyno is cessation of use from deca. More than likely tho at 250mg deca it shouldn't be a problem and it'll be from the test. Trial and error is how you'll find out for sure tho :)
 
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