First Blast

[PegLeg_72]

Posted in weight loss but figured I would make a log to track progress on this bulk cycle. Let me know what you guys think!

The original plan was 500mg test and 250mg eq per week. But since this is my first blast at age 35, I’m keeping it clean. 20 week cycle.

Currently 5’7” 167lbs

Planned macros
Cals=2800-3000
P=225g
C=350g
F=60g

Anabolics
-Testosterone Cypionate - 600mg per week (daily 0.35ml injections)

Peptides
- Retatrutide - 1-2mg per week for craving control and insulin resistance

Supporting Ancillaries

• rTG Fish Oil – 4 grams/day
• Ubiquinol – 200 mg/day
• NAC – 1000 mg/day
• TUDCA – 500 mg/day
• Berberine DHB – 1000 mg/day with meals
• Vitamin D3 – 5000 IU/day
• Vitamin K2 MK-7 – 100 mcg/day
• Mag Glycinate – 500 mg/day before bed

-Aromasin if needed

 

[Smont]

Damn I had a whole post typed up and it erased. Long story short. Start the test a little lower so you don't have a huge hormone Spike and break out with shoulder or back acne or gyno or erectile dysfunction or any of these possible things that can happen. A more subtle approach to like 3 to 400 mg to start and then halfway through the cycle bump your dose up would be a better way to go about it. Early in a cycle you don't need a lot to make progress and later in a cycle you tend to need to raise the doses if you run 600 mg for 20 weeks straight I'd imagine after about 10 weeks the gain train will come to a screeching halt

 

[PegLeg_72]

I’m on 175mg test right now. Been at that dose for like 2 months. I pin daily so I thought bumping to 600 with daily injections wouldn’t be too awful bad. I have zero sides right now but obviously I’m more than tripling my dose.

Maybe 400 would be ok for the first 10 weeks or so

 

[Smont]

Going from 175 to 600, the average person will have there testosterone levels go from the 900-1000 range up to the 3000-4000 range. theres nothing wrong with it, your just a lot more likely to experience sides and wasting a little bit of gear early in the cycle and later in the cycle progress will slow down a lot if you have been riding one steady dose. Doing incremental increases will give you more bang for your buck, more long term growth and less sides.

How is your estrogen levels on 175, given you loosing a ton of weight and putting on a good amount of muscle, I'd imagine your estrogen is much better then previous but you will wanna keep a eye on that as the dose goes up. Most new users need estrogen management as they climb out of the natural range, people with more fat cells have more estrogen receptor too so because you had been larger for a while, that could be a issue. Experienced users after a few cycles can run more with less estrogen management (unless they're just the high estrogen converter to begin with) l still need some estrogen management once I get over 450-500. Personally I just use eq most of the time along with test because it lowers my estrogen.

More then anything Im just trying to rattle off a bunch of things for you to consider. There's nothing inherently wrong with 600 for 20 straight, there's just ways to make the cycles smoother and more productive.

Steroids work as long as you work, and it's obvious you been putting the work in.

 

[PegLeg_72]

Going from 175 to 600, the average person will have there testosterone levels go from the 900-1000 range up to the 3000-4000 range. theres nothing wrong with it, your just a lot more likely to experience sides and wasting a little bit of gear early in the cycle and later in the cycle progress will slow down a lot if you have been riding one steady dose. Doing incremental increases will give you more bang for your buck, more long term growth and less sides.

How is your estrogen levels on 175, given you loosing a ton of weight and putting on a good amount of muscle, I'd imagine your estrogen is much better then previous but you will wanna keep a eye on that as the dose goes up. Most new users need estrogen management as they climb out of the natural range, people with more fat cells have more estrogen receptor too so because you had been larger for a while, that could be a issue. Experienced users after a few cycles can run more with less estrogen management (unless they're just the high estrogen converter to begin with) l still need some estrogen management once I get over 450-500. Personally I just use eq most of the time along with test because it lowers my estrogen.

More then anything Im just trying to rattle off a bunch of things for you to consider. There's nothing inherently wrong with 600 for 20 straight, there's just ways to make the cycles smoother and more productive.

Steroids work as long as you work, and it's obvious you been putting the work in.

For sure. I think I’m going to bump it down to 500 to start. 600 the more I think about it is just more sides with little to no extra benefits. 500 seems like a common dose for someone coming out of TRT that is already locked in from a cut with relatively low BF%. I have bloods scheduled on 4 weeks.

I’ll just pin 72mg per day and see where that takes me. I’m already feeling much fuller since the aggressive cut and it’s only been 6 days on 87.5mg per day. I think the majority is just the higher carbs but it feels good.

 

[Smont]

You gotta do what you wanna do. I will say that whether you run 500 the whole time or 600 the whole time you're not going to notice a difference it's pretty much the same thing. Like if I was running a cycle right now and I was running 500 and I bumped up to 600 I would notice no difference but if I went from 150 to 300 and then from 300 to 600 I would notice big differences. Anyways you don't have to explain your logic with me I think you should do it the other way but it's your cycle and you got to make the decision. Keep notes on how you feel through the cycle. It will help a ton on future cycles.

Yes it's the carbs. It's going to be about 5 weeks before your testosterone levels have peaked

 

[PegLeg_72]

5 weeks labs at 525mg test C per week. Overall pretty happy. I don’t seem to be a high or low aromatizer. I had the faintest of nipple sensitivity at this e2 level. After my labs I went ahead and took 12.5mg aromasin and it went away. Will dose as sides pop up.

 

[PegLeg_72]

Well I havnt updated here in a good while. Almost 17 weeks into this cycle. Escalated dose from 525 test to 1g and added GH at 4iu. Definitely gained a bit more fat than I would have liked but the gains seem solid too. 170lbs to current 210lbs.

 

[Smont]

Good progress dude, Its hard to tell but I'd say your in roughly the same condition unless it's all in the midsection and lower back. That's always my last spot to get lean and the first spot I notice fat gain. But you just look like a bigger rounder version of the first pic.

What's the plan now. Keep going, drop back and cruise, PCT......

 

[Dblock]

Nice work, the difference between 525T and 1000T is very noticeable

 

[PegLeg_72]

Good progress dude, Its hard to tell but I'd say your in roughly the same condition unless it's all in the midsection and lower back. That's always my last spot to get lean and the first spot I notice fat gain. But you just look like a bigger rounder version of the first pic.

What's the plan now. Keep going, drop back and cruise, PCT......

Thanks man. Yea it’s mainly lower belly and back area. Love handles didn’t really get too prominent. But I got 3 weeks left to make it a 20 week blast then I’m gonna drop back to cruise at 200mg a week and see how much water falls off on maintenance cals. Then decide what to do for a nice cut.

 

[PegLeg_72]

Nice work, the difference between 525T and 1000T is very noticeable

Yea I know many say diminishing returns but I’m not seeing that in my case. My hematocrit is still at 46% BP stable at 115/65 on average. Was on 20mg telmi but it listed the BP almost too low so I dropped it.

 

[Smont]

Yea I know many say diminishing returns but I’m not seeing that in my case. My hematocrit is still at 46% BP stable at 115/65 on average. Was on 20mg telmi but it listed the BP almost too low so I dropped it.

Anyone who says a GM of test has deminishing returns hasn't used a GM or they have issues managing sides. Id argue there's a significant difference once you get up around a gm.

Like .... Going in that 300-450-600 range you don't see a huge difference, just steady progress. When you are on a GM of test or a GM+ of combined gear for a extended period of time you just get larger. Wider, thicker, you look different.

 

[PegLeg_72]

Anyone who says a GM of test has deminishing returns hasn't used a GM or they have issues managing sides. Id argue there's a significant difference once you get up around a gm.

Like .... Going in that 300-450-600 range you don't see a huge difference, just steady progress. When you are on a GM of test or a GM+ of combined gear for a extended period of time you just get larger. Wider, thicker, you look different.

Yea for sure. I think once you have an AI dialed in test is best is a true understatement. Test, GH, and some preworkout fast acting insulin have been a game changer the last 5 weeks or so. I was going to add primo in to my next bulk cycle but I may just do a gram the entire time with high GH. Not sure yet. All my labs seem happy on test only. Lipids are good, hematocrit is good. I am pretty watery though so maybe a DHT to keep my dry would be nice.

 

[Dblock]

Legit Primo: the holy grail of PEDs…..it’s expensive for a reason

 

[PegLeg_72]

Legit Primo: the holy grail of PEDs…..it’s expensive for a reason

I have some on order in a group buy that is also getting tested so we’ll see. Paid $46 per vial. 100mg/ml Chinese primo with good track record.

 

[OafMister]

I have some on order in a group buy that is also getting tested so we’ll see. Paid $46 per vial. 100mg/ml Chinese primo with good track record.

I’d guess WWB or something similar. Everyone saying primo is insanely expensive is still buying name brand UGL lol

 

[PegLeg_72]

I’d guess WWB or something similar. Everyone saying primo is insanely expensive is still buying name brand UGL lol

It’s from legend pharma but yea Chinese gear so mostly all made in the same place. No way in paying $150-$200 a vial for domestic UGL primo. I’ll just stick with test if that was the only option.

 

[OafMister]

It’s from legend pharma but yea Chinese gear so mostly all made in the same place. No way in paying $150-$200 a vial for domestic UGL primo. I’ll just stick with test if that was the only option.

yeah generic china is all the same despite what label they slap on it. Just make sure if it’s generic china you have sterile 10ml vials and .22um PTFE filters to filter it into new vials.

 

[LTFU]

Reviving an old thread here, but how do you feel the reta did with you insulin resistance on this cycle? I'm on TRT and was thinking about doing a blast as well as adding reta for the insulin resistance and just wondered if you noticed a difference?

 

[PegLeg_72]

Reviving an old thread here, but how do you feel the reta did with you insulin resistance on this cycle? I'm on TRT and was thinking about doing a blast as well as adding reta for the insulin resistance and just wondered if you noticed a difference?

So I ended up dropping Reta about 4 weeks into the cycle because it was messing my digestion up pushing more food. I did however add it back in at a low dose towards the end just to help with some cravings. I think if it doesn’t mess up your digestion or appetite too much, then it’s a positive. I think next bulk I’ll just taper way down before I start pushing the food to let my body reset and then run it at a low dose like 1-2mg per week.