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First BEASTDROL cycle!

Lmfao can never have to much. Remember tho... Eat your simple carbs directly after work out. Munch the complex
 
I have a theory on the lethargy. It seems to me that the people who get lethargy the worst are the people who spread out their doses throughout the day. This keeps levels of the drug stable. On the other hand, some people who take it in the morning or early afternoon only before a workout the lethargy isn't as bad. I have no proof, but it kind of makes sense to me that keeping blood levels stable would shut down test quicker and keep them suppressed. If you take it in the morning, levels may sink low enough by evening to keep test production going/start it up again. However, if you're already shut down (and it sounds like you are) I don't know how much this would help.

Just my observation of a few logs, not making any declarations or anything.
 
jt339 said:
I have a theory on the lethargy. It seems to me that the people who get lethargy the worst are the people who spread out their doses throughout the day. This keeps levels of the drug stable. On the other hand, some people who take it in the morning or early afternoon only before a workout the lethargy isn't as bad. I have no proof, but it kind of makes sense to me that keeping blood levels stable would shut down test quicker and keep them suppressed. If you take it in the morning, levels may sink low enough by evening to keep test production going/start it up again. However, if you're already shut down (and it sounds like you are) I don't know how much this would help.

Just my observation of a few logs, not making any declarations or anything.
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I was thinking about taking both just preworkout, but I already started the splitting of the dose so I figure I might as well just keep it going.
 
Keep em split. Keeps your body in constant anabolic state
 
Airborne42 said:
Keep em split. Keeps your body in constant anabolic state
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That is the popular dogma which I also adhere to when using something like anadrol simply because of the headaches, but not dbol (50mg pre-workout on workout days, spread out on off days). If you don't have to be mentally alert for much like being a college student then putting up with the lethargy is probably a better idea. If you're in a position where you have to be on your game every day, taking them all at once may be a better option. Gains seem to be similar either way, but I'd think pct would be easier if there was some test production. Even if by the end of the cycle you're not producing test you would be producing it longer which would amount to less atrophy.

Again, just theories of mine. I claim none of this as truth, only possibility.
 
I am more inclined to believe that lethargy on cycle is caused by supression of thyroid hormone and is not really related to testosterone as much. I know lots of guys that got horrible lethargy using methyls on test cycles. And I know a few guys who have used supplemental thyroid hormones on cycle and got no lethargy. If only studies on these compounds could actually be done...
 
Ok when you said even at the end if your not producing any test your still producing it for a longer time? What exactly are you sayin. With a compound like sd you will be shut down within days. Little to no test production with little to no estro. I would keep split up considering half life is what... 6-8 hours? The longer you have in system during the day the better imho since your body is relying of those hormones to grow and rebuild
 
bigdavid said:
I am more inclined to believe that lethargy on cycle is caused by supression of thyroid hormone and is not really related to testosterone as much. I know lots of guys that got horrible lethargy using methyls on test cycles. And I know a few guys who have used supplemental thyroid hormones on cycle and got no lethargy. If only studies on these compounds could actually be done...
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This, honestly, doesn't make sense to me at all. No one I have ever known and seen bloodwork for, including myself, has had low TSH at the end of the cycle. In fact, it usually increases by a small margin (not significant for most). Also, anyone who runs test along with mdrol will tell you lethargy is not an issue, including myself. If your friends are feeling lethargic on cycles with test then their estrogen is almost guaranteed out of whack or they are extremely sensitive to it. Taking any other anabolic is going to make you lethargic because of shut down (dbol being the only exception, but this effect is short lived and will eventually cause lethargy). If you ran a deca only cycle you'd feel like hell. I guarantee it. Add in an equal amount of test and you will feel fine assuming estrogen is in check. This also makes sense as the guys who go on trt ALWAYS come in with lethargy and decreased drive for just about everything. Test is what makes us feel awesome! Do a test cycle and you'll see what I mean.

Airborne42 said:
Ok when you said even at the end if your not producing any test your still producing it for a longer time? What exactly are you sayin. With a compound like sd you will be shut down within days. Little to no test production with little to no estro. I would keep split up considering half life is what... 6-8 hours? The longer you have in system during the day the better imho since your body is relying of those hormones to grow and rebuild
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The idea is that the half-life of superdrol is short, something like 8 hours (can't seem to find a definite answer on this). By taking it all in the morning it is a POSSIBILITY that by the time you go to bed, or at least sometime during your sleep, levels will have sunk low enough that test production takes off again. Your last sentence doesn't hold true although it does sound good in theory. About half of the people I know that use dbol take it all at once at the beginning of their cycle, usually weeks 1-4, while a smaller group of people take it spread out as suggested. Gains are extremely similar either way. In my experience, mdrol was no different. But again, no studies.
 
If dbol is being used to kickstart a cycle, it really won't matter if the dose is spread out or not IMHO.

In general, you do want the dosages spread out to maximize the time your body is in the boosted anabolic state, theoretically you actually want this to be more at night when your body is actually resting and repairing naturally.

Lethargy... Many possible causes, we are arguing and bickering like everybody is going to respond exactly the same to each and every compound out there, when a quick glance of logs and such would show that this is horse-crap. Re: cabs, great solution for most as many (if not all) AAS type compounds increase intra-muscular glycogen storage, which is fed by carbs. Re: thyroid, who knows, some people might get a bit of suppression, while others might not, the HPGA and HPTA are not 100% independent of each other.

The andro series is the only current compound I'd trust at this point to work on a mildly/non-suppressive daily pulse-type cycle when the dosing instructions are followed (but that is a bit off topic).
 
ManBeast said:
If dbol is being used to kickstart a cycle, it really won't matter if the dose is spread out or not IMHO.

In general, you do want the dosages spread out to maximize the time your body is in the boosted anabolic state, theoretically you actually want this to be more at night when your body is actually resting and repairing naturally.

Lethargy... Many possible causes, we are arguing and bickering like everybody is going to respond exactly the same to each and every compound out there, when a quick glance of logs and such would show that this is horse-crap. Re: cabs, great solution for most as many (if not all) AAS type compounds increase intra-muscular glycogen storage, which is fed by carbs. Re: thyroid, who knows, some people might get a bit of suppression, while others might not, the HPGA and HPTA are not 100% independent of each other.

The andro series is the only current compound I'd trust at this point to work on a mildly/non-suppressive daily pulse-type cycle when the dosing instructions are followed (but that is a bit off topic).
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What I find interesting about the androseries is they basically are a pulsing cycle in a way just once daily in the AM. So if there was a PH with a short half life that is comparable to the half life of the androseries products it should produce almost the same amount of shutdown or similar amounts.. since the clearance would be the same. So taking the methyls only upon waking might make a difference if the half life is short enough obv for hdrol at 16/18 hrs it wouldn't matter.
 
ManBeast said:
If dbol is being used to kickstart a cycle, it really won't matter if the dose is spread out or not IMHO.
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My experience as well.

In general, you do want the dosages spread out to maximize the time your body is in the boosted anabolic state, theoretically you actually want this to be more at night when your body is actually resting and repairing naturally.
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I would agree to that, but I was just talking about possibly preventing complete shut down.

Lethargy... Many possible causes, we are arguing and bickering like everybody is going to respond exactly the same to each and every compound out there, when a quick glance of logs and such would show that this is horse-crap. Re: cabs, great solution for most as many (if not all) AAS type compounds increase intra-muscular glycogen storage, which is fed by carbs. Re: thyroid, who knows, some people might get a bit of suppression, while others might not, the HPGA and HPTA are not 100% independent of each other.
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I don't think anyone is arguing. In fact, this has been a nice discussion as no one seems to be getting hostile. I still stand by my thoughts that if you take anything other than test you are eventually going to start feeling run down, within a few weeks. How full glycogen stores are are not indicative of perceived energy, although being completely drained of carbs is likely to make you feel like crap. Concerning the thyroid, it doesn't make sense to substantially increase body mass, but the body require less energy to maintain it.

The andro series is the only current compound I'd trust at this point to work on a mildly/non-suppressive daily pulse-type cycle when the dosing instructions are followed (but that is a bit off topic).
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Drol and especially dbol are suppose to be good for this. However, I don't have any first hand experience, nor do I know anyone who has tried it. Do we have any guinea pigs? =D
 
I would agree to that, but I was just talking about possibly preventing complete shut down.
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just wondering, but why would you want to confuse your hormones like that. i would imagine that pulsing such a harsh compound would have more negative effects on your endocrine system in the long run than just fully shutting it down for 4 weeks straight, then allowing it to build back up?

i've just never seen the purpose of confusing my body like that. too me, pulsing SD (or any aas) is like taking 600mg of test prop every other week, doesnt make sense.
 
Dam way too many people are in on this lol. How are the workouts coming along? That's what i'm interested in. As for lethargy drink redbull and snort some coke get over it. JK, but red bull, five hour energy, whatever you works for you. Hell take your pre-workout in the morning and then again before. Everyone is different, just find something that's going to help with you being tired
 
NFC said:
just wondering, but why would you want to confuse your hormones like that. i would imagine that pulsing such a harsh compound would have more negative effects on your endocrine system in the long run than just fully shutting it down for 4 weeks straight, then allowing it to build back up?
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I can't say how it would damage your endocrine system permanently, but I don't think it would. That is only a hypothesis. I say that because after every cycle my blood levels come back near where they started and are normal within a couple months. One of those cycles was a 4 week mdrol pulse in which I continued to gain strength during pct.

i've just never seen the purpose of confusing my body like that. too me, pulsing SD (or any aas) is like taking 600mg of test prop every other week, doesnt make sense.
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You aren't comparing the same thing here. If you took test suspension on workout days you would see results from it with minimal shut down. Not dramatic results, but better than average results. How do you think all the professional players get big haha

xigotmailx said:
Dam way too many people are in on this lol. How are the workouts coming along? That's what i'm interested in.
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You're right. This discussion needs to be held elsewhere. Sorry for hijack, OP. How about some numbers from your last workout though? I'm trying to follow your strength gains.
 
You aren't comparing the same thing here. If you took test suspension on workout days you would see results from it with minimal shut down. Not dramatic results, but better than average results. How do you think all the professional players get big haha
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i guess anadrol compared to testosterone was technically a bad comparison, but i meant the comparison to be pulse dosing compared with their half lives. test suspension is falling behind in the anabolic community since some people carry test ace now (less painful, quick response still). i dont know a lot of pro athletes but i've trained (lifted) with a few and the only things i keep hearing about besides people doing tren and sustanon cycles, are athletes doing cheque drops and growth hormone.

everyone has their preference in the end. i'm just more old school when it comes to cycles, shut me down for 12 weeks then bring me back up.


OP, i hope your weight scale is changing just as quick as your strength ;)
 
NFC said:
i guess anadrol compared to testosterone was technically a bad comparison, but i meant the comparison to be pulse dosing compared with their half lives. test suspension is falling behind in the anabolic community since some people carry test ace now (less painful, quick response still). i dont know a lot of pro athletes but i've trained (lifted) with a few and the only things i keep hearing about besides people doing tren and sustanon cycles, are athletes doing cheque drops and growth hormone.

everyone has their preference in the end. i'm just more old school when it comes to cycles, shut me down for 12 weeks then bring me back up.


OP, i hope your weight scale is changing just as quick as your strength ;)
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In my very small community, I've actually seen TNE make a come back. I have never seen test ace before, though. My claim about athletics was completely uneducated, I was only making a joke. That is interesting though. I as well am a long cycle guy with real gear, but I cant stray from superdrol. That **** is ****ing fantastic.
 
no worries lol. dont take me too seriously, im a very sarcastic person. I love the way superdrol just kicks you overnight. it makes your want to get a sludgehammer and just tear a house down. haha
 
Alright today was back day and I definitely had noticeable strength gains, but I also started noticing some pretty crazy back pumps. I'm definitely going to have to up the carbs even more because I felt so tired at the gym, I even took a scoop of my pwo to try to help out with it. Scale says I'm up 6lbs and I'm starting to look a little more vascular.
 
I think the reason a pulse with the andro series works so well is because it is just megadosing metabolites that the body itself already uses, very similar to a pulse of test suspension.
 
TLW said:
Alright today was back day and I definitely had noticeable strength gains, but I also started noticing some pretty crazy back pumps. I'm definitely going to have to up the carbs even more because I felt so tired at the gym, I even took a scoop of my pwo to try to help out with it. Scale says I'm up 6lbs and I'm starting to look a little more vascular.
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Taurine supplementation and potassium alongside loads of water should mitigate the back pumps. Let's see some numbers man!
 
TLW said:
Alright today was back day and I definitely had noticeable strength gains, but I also started noticing some pretty crazy back pumps. I'm definitely going to have to up the carbs even more because I felt so tired at the gym, I even took a scoop of my pwo to try to help out with it. Scale says I'm up 6lbs and I'm starting to look a little more vascular.
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haaa just remember it's just the beginning of back pumps :) Make pasta like a 1-2lbs box and eat the whole thing through out the day should help with getting more of a carb intake, then all you have to do is worry about the more complex ones.
 
I take the androseries stuff 3X per day, morn late afternoon and bedtime. I see no need to half-ass it pu$$yfooting around like that if you guys are all hell bent on a full PCT for EVERY cycle anyways.....may as well go balls out and spread the dosage out....unless you're intent on doing the OTC PCT with no SERM....which I know 95% of you won't do regardless of doing androseries solo or not.......
 
OP, thanks for not being a supplement dickrider and telling the truth. Some people think its not manly to feel adverse effects from anything, which is bullshhhh...

Hope your back pumps subside and lethargy wears off. Maybe more bananas (potassium and simple carbs for more energy) and some B complex would make your days run smoother.

What exactly do back pumps feel like? Do they hurt or just feel like crazy pressure?
 
The back pump is like when the muscle tenses and knots up. It is like a super Charlie horse. When you get one you know trust me. I have quit a work out because I had one in my calf so bad. Not sure why it happens or the science behind it but I know it is painful as fock.
 
DangerDave said:
The back pump is like when the muscle tenses and knots up. It is like a super Charlie horse. When you get one you know trust me. I have quit a work out because I had one in my calf so bad. Not sure why it happens or the science behind it but I know it is painful as fock.
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I believe it is from taurine depletion which causes a disregulation of potassium. My logic: Took potassium, didn't help a whole lot. Took taurine, helped a bit, but problems still there. Took potassium and taurine: problem solved. Never had the problem since. Hydration may also be an issue too, a gallon and a half a day I say.
 
Appreciate the insight DD and JT.
OP, when you say the beastdrol "kicked in" was it a mental epiphany like you knew **** was about to go down, or was it a physical feeling... Like a hormone surge of some sort?

PH's fascinate me and I wanna understand them as much as possible. Good look on keeping this log going and being tolerant of the thread jackers
 
Definitely a hormonal surge then after that it becomes mental. The mental part is you just wanting to kill the weights and throw up heavy azz weight. You get that Alpha mentality for sure
 
Gotta love it :-) I threw up 420 on sd in bench lol now I'm just maxin 400
 
Just 400... STFU azzwhipe!
 
Lmfao dude I feel weak but I'm always strongest in my gym... Not the biggest either but still outlift the biggest dude... Idk I'm judgemental bout myself, lifting and size. Btw!!! I started that 5x5... Holy **** balls!!! Intense!!!
 
Airborne42 said:
Lmfao dude I feel weak but I'm always strongest in my gym... Not the biggest either but still outlift the biggest dude... Idk I'm judgemental bout myself, lifting and size. Btw!!! I started that 5x5... Holy **** balls!!! Intense!!!
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Generally 5x5 programs are geared to beginners Idk how you are going to progress on a 5x5 with your strength lol
 
****... Foreal? **** was brutal... Did 5x5 squats with 500 and 5x5 bench of 315 starting off. ****in vision went all blury had to sit. Did 3 sets to failure on inverted rows and push ups along with sit ups. Then threw in 3 sets of alternate dumbell curls
 
DangerDave said:
The back pump is like when the muscle tenses and knots up. It is like a super Charlie horse. When you get one you know trust me. I have quit a work out because I had one in my calf so bad. Not sure why it happens or the science behind it but I know it is painful as fock.
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I had on in my calf one day when I woke up in the morning; I wanted to die. I rather break a bone then have another Charlie horse.
 
Airborne42 said:
****... Foreal? **** was brutal... Did 5x5 squats with 500 and 5x5 bench of 315 starting off. ****in vision went all blury had to sit. Did 3 sets to failure on inverted rows and push ups along with sit ups. Then threw in 3 sets of alternate dumbell curls
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I agree 5x5 sucks balls when you actual get up in the higher weights especially when your that strong already, I may not be as strong as you but I know that felling and it's not fun. Have you done GVT it's way worst...... Also why didn't you start at %50-60 of your 1 rep max for the 5x5?
 
Naw never heard of it I do my own routines. Guess they work tho lol
 
Lmfao I am def sore from that routine tho... ****ed me up. You will get there in time. ****in I just started seriously lifting again a year ago X-D strongest I been tho
 
That's good to hear! am still gaining weight and muscle! woot! I personally just started the GVT so today is leg and am going to be fock up. -__- also trying to figure out if am able to handle the 5x5 just 1 time a day, so wish me luck
 
MrMarc said:
I had on in my calf one day when I woke up in the morning; I wanted to die. I rather break a bone then have another Charlie horse.
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Haha... try getting one in your azz cheek and hamstring the night after a brutal leg workout WHILE having sex. With a one night stand.... try explaining that to her.

Happened to me last October. I gave out a blood chilling yell and lay on the bed trying to stretch my dang leg out. Totally killed the mood...we never talked again lol
 
DangerDave said:
Haha... try getting one in your azz cheek and hamstring the night after a brutal leg workout WHILE having sex. With a one night stand.... try explaining that to her.

Happened to me last October. I gave out a blood chilling yell and lay on the bed trying to stretch my dang leg out. Totally killed the mood...we never talked again lol
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Lmfao I would be like yo bic* we cool, am just warming up for a new sex position to try.

No you should try the side of your body Charlie horse those are by far the worst period.
 
Today is leg day! I upped the carbs a lot today and the lethargy is getting a little better! I'm going to take your guys at advice and snack on carbs all day long pretty much. I think that will help. The back pumps aren't terrible yet, but I feel like they're going to get way worse since this is only still the beginning of week 2, haven't noticed any calf pumps I guess we will see today since it's leg day ;)
 
TLW said:
Today is leg day! I upped the carbs a lot today and the lethargy is getting a little better! I'm going to take your guys at advice and snack on carbs all day long pretty much. I think that will help. The back pumps aren't terrible yet, but I feel like they're going to get way worse since this is only still the beginning of week 2, haven't noticed any calf pumps I guess we will see today since it's leg day ;)
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Go kill it on legs bro, it's my legs day as well today and i'm scared haha. When I was on SD I noticed the calf pumps most when I would do cardio and run, but then again it would stay all day, day after day felt like my shin skin was going to rip. Good luck, can't wait to see you have double the numbers I post up XD
 
Today all I did was abs and forearms. No side effects to report from the sd other then the lethargy which I pretty much have under control now I bought a whole bunch of whole wheat pasta and I just snack on that all day. Also next Wednesday will be week 3 and I will be bumping the dose up to 30mg if I notice more sides I'll drop it back down to the 20. Calories have been at over 4500 plus and training has been great.
 
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