First anabolic cycle
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APC80
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You're too young mate these oral steroids will suppress your natural test production and at your age(or any age) have the potential to permanently damage your endocrine system. If ya wanna be fat, bald and depressed by the time you're 25 going to the doc to try to get on trt for the rest of your life so you can feel normal again then go ahead.
I dunno why you'd want to be messing with your hormones at your age anyway, at 37 I'd love to be 18 again and have all the benefits of high testosterone and GH levels. You don't need this **** and are only damaging yourself to try to get quick results which won't last if you **** up your natural hormone production. Do your future self a favour and forget about PEDs for at least a decade.
Mwhite530
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Oh yeah bro I know it would totally screw me up! I was just wondering if anyone had experience with them and wanted to share what happened just for the sake of knowing what certain drugs do.
APC80
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Well I've used epistane, it's more of a cutter than a bulker. I tried to bulk on it and got mediocre size gains but hardened up and my physique changed for the better. Never used SD so can't comment on it but it's meant to give big mass gains in a short period-like 3/4 weeks.
The problem with these PHs is the gains don't last, you usually return to near your pre cycle size in a few months. You may keep 2-3 lbs but it's muscle you could've naturally built in that time anyway.
Part of the reason is you can't take them long enough for the gains to solidify due to the toxicity and the other is you've tanked your natural testosterone production. I'm sure you've seen even injectable steroid users blow up then shrink down till their next cycle when they get bigger again.
After both my PH runs I've gotten really ill from viruses and infections they really do a number on your immune system. I'm never sick any other time. TBH I'm done with them now you can make good gains naturally when you know what your doing.
Mwhite530
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Yeah bro the main thing that’ll keep me from ever using something like that is the liver toxicity and the fact that you lose most of the gains. I️ mean I️ know that injectable steroids are also liver toxic but I’ve heard that it’s nowhere near the level of something like Superdrol or other prohormones that are now banned. But I’ve never heard of people getting sick afterwards. Is that because of the damage to the liver?
APC80
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If you do an internet search you'll find tons of people get sick during PCT I think it may be something to do with the liver toxicity. After my last PH run I caught the flu and lost 5lbs overnight everything was running straight thru me and I couldn't train for about 4 days. It's actually ****ing depressing watching yourself shrink in the weeks after a cycle when you're eating and training hard, no matter what you do you will lose some muscle as you no longer have the drugs in your system.
Also you're talking 10 weeks at least including PCT where if you pick up any sort of injury or illness and can't train properly then you've basically wasted your time. With your body being put under such stress then the likelihood of this happening is increased tenfold.
Don't get me wrong I'm bigger than I was pre cycle but could I have got to where I am or even close naturally without the expense and risk of PHs?
Mwhite530
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Have you ever heard of the Superdrol prohormone made by hi tech pharma? It’s a blend of a bunch of different andro products I️ believe.
APC80
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Yes it's like the rest of their misleadingly named products a heap of shyt. I think they do one called dianabol as well that's just some random compounds, don't they?
Mwhite530
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Yeah they have Dianabol, decabolin, anavar, and Superdrol. Seems like a mess to be honest.
APC80
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I just dunno why they'd want to draw attention to themselves by naming their products after illegal steroids.
Mwhite530
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Idk man I’ve heard that the Superdrol worlds decent but obviously not as well as the real thing. I️ mean if it works it works but I’ve heard that android aren’t as effective as sarms or real gear obviously. But at the same time I’ve heard there’s not too many sides.
APC80
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From what I've seen from logs and talking to people on here thru PM 1-andro can shut you down pretty hard, you need to take 4-andro as a base to combat the lethargy which shuts down your natural test production even further. Being shutdown as much as AAS for a fraction of the gains doesn't seem like a good deal to me.
Mwhite530
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Week 7 update
Still nothing is changing. Still no suppression side effects other than maybe getting tired earlier in the night but I’ve also been waking up earlier in the morning. I️ have noticed some more vascularity and my muscular endurance is still increasing. I️ do have a question for everyone though. Are we allowed to talk sources or is that against the rules of the website?
Still nothing is changing. Still no suppression side effects other than maybe getting tired earlier in the night but I’ve also been waking up earlier in the morning. I️ have noticed some more vascularity and my muscular endurance is still increasing. I️ do have a question for everyone though. Are we allowed to talk sources or is that against the rules of the website?
APC80
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Na mate the andros will shut you down, epiandro is the only one I'd try as people seem to like it but not too sure about the sides n all that I'd have to research it more. jameschoi has tried a 1&4 andro run, maybe there's others that have actually run it can tell ya more about them than me.
Whisky
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I’m running 1/4/epiandro at the moment.....
Sides basically non existent (my supports are all as researched and advised on here which clearly should help), had some back pumps but that’s it. My sex drive disappeared the first week (I’m married so not an issue lol) but I’ve been able to perform when afforded the opportunity no problem.
I’m 4 weeks into an 8 week cycle, I’m 7lbs up and if anything slightly lower body fat. I’ve hit pr’s on my 3rm on bench (10lbs up) and back squat. Put 5lbs on my prush press 1rm as well as increases in every other rep range. Thing is everyone says they don’t kick in till weeks 3 and 4 so personally I’m excited to see where it goes.
The epiandro is excellent pwo, I totally get why people run it in a range of stacks. Makes you want sling tin all day long.
I dosed at 330/330/1000 first 4 weeks and just (today) bumped to 510/510/1000 last 4 weeks.
All of the above said, I go back to one of my original points on this thread, I still think at your age I wouldn’t go near any of this mate. I’m mid 30’s, all this is doing is creating a similar hormonal situation to one you can get without this ****.....
APC80
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Glad you're having a good run mate, seems everyone reports suppression pretty quickly with 1/4 andro. That's quite high dosage you're on isn't it? I've cycled epistane for 5 weeks, gained 13lbs and msten/trenavar for 6 weeks, gained 20lbs and never felt shutdown. Still, looking back I don't know if it was all worth it for the potential harm it may cause. Im 37 and kind of worried about what I've done to my endocrine system even though I feel fine I may not be. Then there's the liver, kidney damage and all that.
As you say at Mwhites age he doesn't need to put his body thru this, at our age we are just trying to artificially create the hormones that his body is producing naturally.
Seriously OP ya wanna put any thoughts of PEDs out of your head, if you aren't happy with how things are going at your age you really need to check your diet, training and lifestyle because something's not right with one of those, I highly doubt there is anything wrong with your hormones. That's the last thing you should be looking at. The only reason I've spent all this time trying to put you off is I don't wanna see you ****in yourself up for life over some impulsive decision to take steroids when you were a kid. Please take heed.
As you say at Mwhites age he doesn't need to put his body thru this, at our age we are just trying to artificially create the hormones that his body is producing naturally.
Seriously OP ya wanna put any thoughts of PEDs out of your head, if you aren't happy with how things are going at your age you really need to check your diet, training and lifestyle because something's not right with one of those, I highly doubt there is anything wrong with your hormones. That's the last thing you should be looking at. The only reason I've spent all this time trying to put you off is I don't wanna see you ****in yourself up for life over some impulsive decision to take steroids when you were a kid. Please take heed.
Whisky
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The dose at 340 on 1 and 4 is the standard studied dosage (well 330 is but I’m using Cerberus all in one so 340 was closest I could get). I’m only bumping to 510 (which is pretty high) on the basis I’ve had virtually no sides and want to maximise my run. It uses all the tabs as well otherwise I’d have had some left over that I probably wouldn’t have used so it was either bump or extend....(I’m uk as well so used predator - at the prices didn’t want to waste any lol)
I’m with you on the damage to the body aspect but then I think there’s health benefits to having more lean mass as well. I literally live the rest of my life trying to take care of myself so feel it’s a worthwhile trade off. I may come to see it differently but as it stands that’s where I’m at.
Mwhite530
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Yeah bro this is is gonna sound really stupid but please don’t flip out on me or anything lol but I️ know it’s really not the best idea for someone my age to be doing this. I’m on the last week of osta so I’m just gonna finish it up and then take a break from everything for a long while. The only reason I️ chose to do this was because of the research part. I️ just really want to learn more about physiology and how the body works and stuff through experience. Plus, I’m gonna major in physiology so that should help me with that goal too. I️ hope this all makes sense to you and isn’t offending you or anything! I’m just trying to improve my knowledge and maybe even other people’s.
APC80
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Not offending me at all mate it's your body you can do what you want with it it's not my place to tell ya what to do. I'm no expert on all this stuff I'm not trying to lecture and you seem sensible enough to understand the risks. If you're prepared to take them then it's your decision. Good luck with it all and I'd be interested if you're gonna log any of it in here please tag me. Promise I won't be anything but supportive lol
Mwhite530
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I️ will! How do you tag someone though? Just put the @ symbol and then your username? And thanks a lot man I’m just appreciative of people who respond to this whole thing and are supportive instead of just like shutting me down like I️ did on isarms. I️ even got banned from that website for whatever reason!
Mwhite530
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Started my pct today. The bottle of ostarine ran out for some reason but that’s whatever. I’m doing clomid for 4 weeks at 50/25/25/25. I️ don’t have any suppression sides but I’m just doing pct to be sure even though some say you don’t need it after sarms. I’ll keep up the updates on the pct now!
Mwhite530
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Pct update
I️ have been taking clomid at 50mg every day for a week and today I️ started 25mg which I️ will continue for 3 more weeks. Honestly, I️ feel like the suppression was so mild that something like clomid is sorta pissing in the wind but at the same time I’d really rather be safe than sorry. No sides have come up yet and I’m still feeling great!
I️ have been taking clomid at 50mg every day for a week and today I️ started 25mg which I️ will continue for 3 more weeks. Honestly, I️ feel like the suppression was so mild that something like clomid is sorta pissing in the wind but at the same time I’d really rather be safe than sorry. No sides have come up yet and I’m still feeling great!
Peanutbutterj
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How are you feeling w/Clomid?
Mwhite530
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I’m feelin good so far. No emotional sides like I’ve heard of but I definitely don’t feel the same as I did on the ostarine. Not In a bad way, just different.