Final Question b4 I start my DS Super Cycle :)

kwyckemynd00

kwyckemynd00

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Well, my DS Super cycle (:D) is going to consist of: 1-Test Cyp, 4AD Cyp, and M14ADD.

I'll be running for 8-10 weeks. If I can find an inexpensive source for HCG I may go the full 12 weeks and follow the Swale protocol for PCT. Now, I do have my questions. I have done my research and I've used 1-Test and 4AD (Transdermal) before, but that's my only experience. Given that, should I hold off on the 12 week cycle OR should I just figure that out at the 8 or 10 week point?

*NOTE: HCG is split up into 2x a week @ 250 IU each (Well, as long as I can find a source for inexpensive HCG :(). 1-Test Cyp and 4AD Cyp are going to be taken EOD (M,W,F); 1-Test @ 1.0 cc/pin (200mg) and 4AD @ 1.75 cc/pin (525mg), both mixed in the same needle to avoid any unecessary pain :blink:. M14ADD is taken 90mg/day. I may increase the dosage later.

Here's how the cycle will look:
Wk1-6: 600mg 1-Test; 1600mg 4AD; 500 IU HCG; 90mg/day M14ADD
Wk7-10: 600mg 1-Test; 1600mg 4AD; 500 IU HCG
Wk11-13: 40mg/day Nolvadex
Wk14: taper down to 20mg/day Nolvadex.

Questions:
1) Is the M,W,F scheme good or do I have to do the EOD to the "T"?
2) Should I be taking the M14ADD spread out 3x a day or should account for it's short half life (it is short, right?) and take maybe 2/3 of it an hour before workout and then the other one upon waking.
3) When I pin, should I swab the needle as well (of course I'll swab the application site) w/ isopropyl? Or do I just leave the sterile needle and syringe as is? (Terumu needles) I mean, I have to screw on a needle to draw,then unscrew that one and screw on one to pin w/ so woulnd't it be sanitary to go w/ the swab?
4) I see 70% Isopropyl swabs at the place I'm gonna get my pins, should I just buy cotton swabs and 99% Isopropyl from the store instead?
5) (This is more of a comment).I will run a liver protecting agent, unless it' uneccessary, even though M14ADD is supposed to be mild. It is after all, methylated.
6) I had no previous problems on my 4 week 1-Test/4AD cycle, should I still take the precaution of loading up on BP controllers, saw palmetto, and frequent blood tests, etc.? Will good 'ol Cardio + frequent BP checks do the trick? (Maybe make sure I don't have jaundice by looking and making sure the whites of my eyes are still white and not yellow :twisted:, LOL)

I think that's about all I can think of ATM. I'm sure I"ll come up with something else soon enough. I may have some ?'s about pinning the HCG in a little bit.

Thanks again everybody!
 
1)The dosages you listed will be accurate if you shoot M,W,F. If you shoot EOD you'll be dosing higher (7 shots in 2 weeks vs. 6 shots)
2)Looks good. Most of it should be taken about 1-2 hours pre-workout IMO, since the 1-test and 4AD will be in your system at a constant rate anyway.
3)The needles should be capped and sterile so there should be no need to swab them.
4)Shouldn't matter, I'd go with the swabs. The ones we use in the lab here are 70%, that's the same as they would use if you had your blood drawn at a lab.
5)What kind of liver protectant?
6)I don't bother with any of that stuff, but I'm crazy :twisted:
 
I'll probably just go with the good 'ol stuff that 1Fast puts out. Proliver, w/ Milk Thistle and NAC. Probably just 600mg/day MilkThistle and 1gram/day of NAC for the duration of the methyl.

SuperSoldier said:
6) I don't bother with any of that stuff, but I'm crazy :twisted:
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LOL. 6 months ON w/out any of that junk? I don't think that exemplifies your lack of sanity. IMHO, it would have to be the thread I read about you stacking M1T w/ other methyls (I think M14ADD) seeing how trashed your blood tests were and then just making a joke out of it...that's crazy :p LOL.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
LOL. 6 months ON w/out any of that junk? I don't think that exemplifies your lack of sanity. IMHO, it would have to be the thread I read about you stacking M1T w/ other methyls (I think M14ADD) seeing how trashed your blood tests were and then just making a joke out of it...that's crazy :p LOL.
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supersoldier said:
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ROFL. Thx for the quick response ;) Then again, you're up all night hitting refresh b/c of your fun job, eh?

Doesn't that screw with your training? Or has your circadian cycle just pretty much adapted and you're now officially nocturnal? Seriously, cuz that would suck for me. I love staying up late, but I dont 'think I could make it to the gym in that situation...
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
ROFL. Thx for the quick response ;) Then again, you're up all night hitting refresh b/c of your fun job, eh?

Doesn't that screw with your training? Or has your circadian cycle just pretty much adapted and you're now officially nocturnal? Seriously, cuz that would suck for me. I love staying up late, but I dont 'think I could make it to the gym in that situation...
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I'm well adjusted by now. People that work in the day ("normal people") wake up, go to work, then stay up and do whatever it is that they do (for us, lift weights). I on the other hand wake up, eat, hydrate and chill out for a little bit, then lift weights, then work, and go to sleep as soon as I get home from work. I prefer it this way. I get my best training sessions about 2-3 hours after waking. I hate going to the gym after working an 8 hour day. There's a huge difference in intensity/progress IMO.
 
24 hour gym? Thats the best.

Just take the Methyls with grapefruit juice, and the liver protection at a different time - you will be safe and it won't affect gains
 
Deoudes59 said:
24 hour gym? Thats the best.

Just take the Methyls with grapefruit juice, and the liver protection at a different time - you will be safe and it won't affect gains
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I'm still confused on that. I thought Sledge's article said not to combine the juice with the methyls...
Beside that, what purpose does it serve to protect ones body from the damage caused by methyls?

Thanks!
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
I'm still confused on that. I thought Sledge's article said not to combine the juice with the methyls...
Beside that, what purpose does it serve to protect ones body from the damage caused by methyls?

Thanks!
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GF doesn't protect damage from methyls, it makes the methyls work better. Invalid Link Removed
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
I'm still confused on that. I thought Sledge's article said not to combine the juice with the methyls...
Beside that, what purpose does it serve to protect ones body from the damage caused by methyls?

Thanks!
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no protection via Grapefruit juice. Like SS said - enhances absorption. I suppose you are splitting up the m1,4add doses? 30-30-30-30?
 
how many bottles of each are you buying (1test cyp and 4adcyp) for the 10 week cycle? im very interested in the same type of cycle.
 
good_guye28 said:
how many bottles of each are you buying (1test cyp and 4adcyp) for the 10 week cycle? im very interested in the same type of cycle.
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ONe of each, and I'll still have some to spare :D
 
supersoldier said:
GF doesn't protect damage from methyls, it makes the methyls work better. Invalid Link Removed
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Gotcha. I just thought since he said to forget all of that stuff and just to take GF Juice it may have played some protectant role. Thx.
Deoudes59 said:
no protection via Grapefruit juice. Like SS said - enhances absorption. I suppose you are splitting up the m1,4add doses? 30-30-30-30?
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I see, thx :)

Are you saying I should bump it from 90mg/day to 120mg/day? :D
 
When you unscrew the pin leave the cap on and turn the cap. The needle will turn with it. Don't touch any part of the needle. Do the same thing when putting a pin back on. When loaded push out a little bit of oil for luberication.
 
Thx, BigBadBootyDady ;)

That brings me to a new question...am I just going to lose the solution that is in the needle after I've pushed as much possible out of the needle?
 
Thanks bro! I'm so freaking excited! I just need to get my hands on that HCG and I'll get going ASAP. I've found some at online Pharma's but I'm sketchy about buying b/c I"m afraid I'll just be throwing my money away :( I may just have to go for it and see how it goes....damnit!!
 
Ahh man! I just realized that after I mix it I have to refrigerate it...I'm not planning on leaving it in an open ampule, and I don't think my parents would be to happy with preloaded pins in the fridge ;) I'd get my ass reamed!
 
I would run saw pawmetto during the cycle, some say it may hinder gains, but I would rather hinder gains then make my prostate grow.
 
Oh and you should also run orals for the last 1-2 weeks after your last inject, to give the cyps time to clear the system before you start PCT. Running orals is better then just chillin and waiting for the esters to go.
 
Hey all, I just thought of another question...

I'll be pinning ~ 2.75 cc's EOD. Now, I know glutes can take that, but as far as delts and quads are limited to 1.5cc and 2cc's, respectively. So, should my patter be like this:

Pin protocol 1:
M: 2.75cc Left Glute
W: 2.0cc left Quad & 0.75cc right delt.
F: 2.0cc right Quad & 0.75cc left delt.
M: 2.75 cc Right Glute
W: 1.5 cc right delt & 1.25 cc left quad
F: 1.5 cc left delt & 1.25 cc right quad
Pin Protocol 2:
M: 1.385 cc right delt & 1.385 cc left delt
W: 2.75 cc left glute
F: 2.75 cc right glute
M: 1.385 cc right quad & 1.385 cc left quad
W: 2.75 cc left glute
F: 2.75 cc right glute
 
Honestly bro, HCG would be good... but if you can't get some, its not the end of the world. 12 weeks is about the cut off IMO for not absolutely needing HCG. Anything longet than 12 weeks i think its a must. Make sense? Basically, i'd go ahead and start with the problems with getting it, and then storing it.
 
I think I've found a way to get it ;) Not the "best" price, but not bad. Now, hopefully I can get over that little storage problem. If I don't go with it, I'm just going to knock it down to 8 weeks, maybe 10...I think I'll avoid the 12 weeks if that's the case b/c like you said, it seems to be the rule of thumb "cutoff time".
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Ahh man! I just realized that after I mix it I have to refrigerate it...I'm not planning on leaving it in an open ampule, and I don't think my parents would be to happy with preloaded pins in the fridge ;) I'd get my ass reamed!
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Slin pins are small, put em in an empty vitamin container and put it in the back of the fridge.
 
I'll have to give that a shot. Thanks!

Oh, I just thought of another thing. Does the slin pin measure volume in IU's? B/C If I'm buying (most likely) 5000 IU amps and am going to pin 250 IU's 2 x week, how am I going to measure out accurately 20 x 250 IU pins if there are no markings in IU's?
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
I'll have to give that a shot. Thanks!

Oh, I just thought of another thing. Does the slin pin measure volume in IU's? B/C If I'm buying (most likely) 5000 IU amps and am going to pin 250 IU's 2 x week, how am I going to measure out accurately 20 x 250 IU pins if there are no markings in IU's?
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1/10th's of a ml, if you got 1 ml at 5000iu it's 500iu per 1/10 marking so just load half of that.
 
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