Finaflex 1-Andro ADVICE

[Spaniard]

I'm under the impression you guy's either don't train correctly or you don't diet correctly. All this "you can't do this you can't do that" mentality is probably why none of you have profile pics up to show off this impressive physique you claim to have from all this PH use you claim to have done...

That's actually a pretty good observation on your part. A rather large majority of people on forums have very little knowledge of what they're doing prior to using hormones. Unfortunately this leads to 5 and 6 cycles with relatively little to show for it. You also have to factor in 95% of the advice on boards is just verbal vomit that they read from someone else. It's forum mentality bro, it's like lord of the flies.

The advice you're getting now is likely the opinion of one single person that had Internet clout, which was then taken on by the many followers as their own grand advice.

That being said, 30 lbs is pretty ridiculous and just know that you likely won't get even close to that, which I'm sure you already know. You seem like a pretty smart guy.

The DHEA metabolites have their place and used properly can elicit you with pretty decent gains. My buddy at the station BLEW THE F UP (25 lbs) on a PP DHEA stack products as did many others. Since this will be your first cycle I see no reason you can't put on about 10 lbs (although you'll probably want to extend past a 4 week cycle) and keep close to that. Focus on your diet and lift your ass off while on.

For what it's worth if you're looking at running 1 DHEA due to low side effects etc there are other compounds out there that will net you similar gains but come with a little more necessary ancillary measures. Don't think that running DHEA products doesn't come with risks, as noted in the study and the couple of guys at the station, there were several markers impacted by 1 DHEA. It's always better to be safe than sorry with your body.

Anyways, if you have any other questions hit up myself or snagencyV2.0. Good luck bro

-V

 

[PinkHeart]

Sigh..

 

[giv3m3g4ins]

The advice you're getting now is likely the opinion of one single person that had Internet clout, which was then taken on by the many followers as their own grand advice.

Anyways, if you have any other questions hit up myself or snagencyV2.0. Good luck bro

-V

Before everyone decided to hijack this post to have a trolling session over how much my mate did or did not gain, I actually had a few legitimate questions I wanted to know the answers too. Ignore how much he did or did not gain because this post isn't even about him it's about providing me with quality information so I can make an informative decision on how I am going to run this product.

I'm aware that 30lb is excessive. I'm going to be strict dieting and only pushing a small surplus to ensure I stay relatively lean.

I'm honestly not expecting mind blowing results from this product due to its low toxicity and not being methylated, I'm not running it with Test or any AAS. I'm not on TRT so suppression is a big concern for me.

Do I have a risk of developing gyno from this PH ?

What products should I be taking to minimize the chances of getting gyno?

Does this PH shut me down and if so what dosage will I need to run to force this shut down?

What PCT should I use? I find it very hard to believe DAA is going to be a sufficient PCT. If I'm going to run the risk of developing some type of hormone suppression or hormone deficiency using this product then I would rather just cycle Test and use a PCT that has been proven to work, not some herb dug up in a filthy 3rd world country or some random animo acid that has never been proven to elevate test levels high enough to show any real benefit.

I have tried natty test boosters such as DAA and Trib. These products were utter garbage they did nothing in elevating my test levels above what would be considered beneficial.

I'm considering running Test E for my PCT to ensure my levels stay on the high scale of natty, but for obvious reasons I'd like to avoid doing so as I'm not really ready to be on TRT for the rest of my life and I'd prefer to play with warm coals before stepping into a hot fire.

I've tried asking these questions on other forums and all I get is totally useless responses from people who have never used the product.

 

[giv3m3g4ins]

And no, this isn't your research this is where you post what you have learned from your research and we help to the best of our ability.

So basically you're saying I'm not allowed to ask for advice. I'm only allowed to post my experiences so you can critique the methods based on your own research you may or may not of actually done and or had any experiences with?? To top it all off you do all this without providing any valuable information to the questions being presented?

You didn't think that through very well did you!!

Who are YOU to dictate HOW I gather the appropriate information from MY POST? I'm posting on this forum to find answers to important questions I have, if you don't like what questions I'm asking or what I have to say then don't bother commenting on my post. Take your opinion someone else because like I have already stated I'm looking for answers from experienced users who can provide me with valid information.

My post clearly states I'm seeking ADVICE.

I'm looking for advice on this product, if you don't like the post and you feel the need to go out of your way to be disrespectful attacking me with mediocre remarks and wasting my time with pointless posts, I'll just add you to my block list and move onto someone who is offering a valid opinion.

 

[snagencyV2.0]

My post clearly states I'm seeking ADVICE..

no - you are seeking a how-to education manual hormones 101, a blueprint of how to do something when you have no basic understanding of the compound or its function
there is a difference

Before everyone decided to hijack this post to have a trolling session over how much my mate did or did not gain, I actually had a few legitimate questions I wanted to know the answers too. Ignore how much he did or did not gain because this post isn't even about him it's about providing me with quality information so I can make an informative decision on how I am going to run this product.

I'm aware that 30lb is excessive. I'm going to be strict dieting and only pushing a small surplus to ensure I stay relatively lean.
then you will remain finite in the amount of total weight you add, pure & simple

I'm honestly not expecting mind blowing results from this product due to its low toxicity and not being methylated, I'm not running it with Test or any AAS. I'm not on TRT so suppression is a big concern for me.
I have already answered this previously..should have no issue, esp with shorter duration runs

Do I have a risk of developing gyno from this PH ?
I have answered this previously - not likely at all

What products should I be taking to minimize the chances of getting gyno?
more repetitiveness, I have answered this onbe yet again..you should not have an issue, but if you do you can run an AI
our REV PCT can be used while on cycle in this instance, to help regulate estrogen level

Does this PH shut me down and if so what dosage will I need to run to force this shut down?
no shut down is not likely, but each individual metabolism is unique in the extent to which they will potentially realize negative sides

What PCT should I use? I find it very hard to believe DAA is going to be a sufficient PCT. If I'm going to run the risk of developing some type of hormone suppression or hormone deficiency using this product then I would rather just cycle Test and use a PCT that has been proven to work, not some herb dug up in a filthy 3rd world country or some random animo acid that has never been proven to elevate test levels high enough to show any real benefit.
nobody ever told you to run DAA solo for pct - no that would not cut it
however DAA can certainly be used as an adjunct in pct...our REV PCT + Pure Test (DAA) products are tailor-made for pct purposes following 1-Andro or 1-Alpha

I have tried natty test boosters such as DAA and Trib. These products were utter garbage they did nothing in elevating my test levels above what would be considered beneficial.

I'm considering running Test E for my PCT to ensure my levels stay on the high scale of natty, but for obvious reasons I'd like to avoid doing so as I'm not really ready to be on TRT for the rest of my life and I'd prefer to play with warm coals before stepping into a hot fire.
did you really just say you are thinking of running a steroid in your pct?
I strongly urge you to continue to edify yourself and learn the basics of hormonal use...
I will give you a hint here: using test in a pct is not what you want to do, the antithesis in fact to what pct is supposed to be all about
please, please keep studying..you have much to learn

I've tried asking these questions on other forums and all I get is totally useless responses from people who have never used the product.

answers above in bold
while I do not fault you for being cautious and careful in your decision, you are making this much more difficult than it need be..
if you have not edified and educated yourself to the extent you feel comfortable in making the choice to use this product, then simply refrain from doing so until you are more versed and knowledgeable about the subject

our job here is to help you get the most out of these products and answer questions you may have, but it is not to teach you steroids 101 and try to talk you into product use...
if you want to use this, use it! it is mild, and a great beginning step to the world of hormonal manipulation
if you do not understand the product or have false preconceptions about what it does and potential side effects, then simply cease discussion and edify yourself until that time that you do understand things a bit better

best

 

[Jar1985]

Testosterone as PCT?!?!?! ::::::face palm.

 

[giv3m3g4ins]

our job here is to help you get the most out of these products and answer questions you may have, but it is not to teach you steroids 101 and try to talk you into product use

Do you always contradict yourself when answering a post? So you're not here to answer questions about the usage or potential affects of a product but you're here to answer questions about the product and how it can be used? How exactly does that work in a logical sense?

I'm asking for personal experiences from people who've used this product and what to expect from this product. I'm asking for a review on results and sides. I don't see how asking questions on a forum can be turned into being such a defensive and sensitive topic.

You're either qualified to provide me with the information I'm seeking or you're not. I don't see how sitting on the fence can be beneficial to anyone seeking answers to concerning questions.

Thank you for your response. Like I have said. I've been doing research for a while now and I'm always being presented with conflicting information. I've already read all that crap on the finaflex review site you've just repeated what I have already read.

Thanks, Ciao.

 

[snagencyV2.0]

You're either qualified to provide me with the information I'm seeking or you're not. I don't see how sitting on the fence can be beneficial to anyone seeking answers to concerning questions..

and you are either suitably educated to understand a conversation regarding the products in question, or you are not..
you, sir, are not

your continued going around in circles and spewing angst and argumentative frustration is not worthwhile nor productive for anyone

bottom line: please abstain from use of anything other than natural products and compounds, you are simply not ready to make the leap to next step

 

[giv3m3g4ins]

Testosterone as PCT?!?!?! ::::::face palm.

If 1-Andro is actually a two-step precursor to 1-testosterone as stated on the finaflex website then theoretically it's a steroid.

90% of steroid users stay on Test as a PCT, especially serious lifters who want to maximize their gains.

There is no post cycle therapy that can return your natural testosterone levels back to where they were prior to anabolic steroid use. This is a fact. So supping with Test on a PCT is very common especially in the powerlifting and bodybuilding community community.

TRT with Test will stimulate your pituitary to release more Luteinizing Hormone (LH) and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) which will in-turn stimulate the testicles to produce more testosterone.

Anyway I'm sick of replying to you guys half you blokes have never even spoken to a real steroid user you just rant crap you read online, it's a never ending cycle of utter garbage.

Ciao.

 

[giv3m3g4ins]

and you are either suitably educated to understand a conversation regarding the products in question, or you are not..
you, sir, are not

your continued going around in circles and spewing angst and argumentative frustration is not worthwhile nor productive for anyone

bottom line: please abstain from use of anything other than natural products and compounds, you are simply not ready to make the leap to next step

I'm just trying to find answers that haven't been copied and pasted from varies websites.

Thank you for your response.

 

[snagencyV2.0]

If 1-Andro is actually a two-step precursor to 1-testosterone as stated on the finaflex website then theoretically it's a steroid.

yes

90% of steroid users stay on Test as a PCT, especially serious lifters who want to maximize their gains.
This is a fact. So supping with Test on a PCT is very common especially in the powerlifting and bodybuilding community community.

no
you are spewing such ignorance right now it is really not even amusing any longer

for the record: what you refer to here is called blasting & cruising...it has absolutely no relevance to the process of pct, and in fact is entirely counterproductive to pct....going further, it eliminates the need for pct, since you are going to stay on synthetic testosterone for extended duration (more than likely life)

please stop, go read some more

 

[giv3m3g4ins]

I'm just trying to find answers that haven't been copied and pasted from varies websites.

Thank you for your response.

Yes you are right I'm not ready for PH use, that' why I'm trying to become familiar with these products.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the *** I'm just frustrated with being disrespected for asking questions..

Thank you.

 

[giv3m3g4ins]

please stop, go read some more

Yes ok. I'll go spend hours reading endless articles online and find myself even more confused...

 

[Jar1985]

Smh PCT and TRT are two different things! TRT is Testosterone REPLACEMENT therapy, it doesn't stimulate your body to produce more natural testosterone, it REPLACES your body's natural test production! The exact opposite of the goal of your PCT. I'm not trying to be a dick but you really just need to listen to what snagency is telling you and try to learn. There are a lot of really knowledgable guys on here, that will help you if you would just stop and listen.

 

[snagencyV2.0]

Smh PCT and TRT are two different things! TRT is Testosterone REPLACEMENT therapy, it doesn't stimulate your body to produce more natural testosterone, it REPLACES your body's natural test production! The exact opposite of the goal of your PCT. I'm not trying to be a dick but you really just need to listen to what snagency is telling you and try to learn. There are a lot of really knowledgable guys on here, that will help you if you would just stop and listen.

he's too busy flooding my inbox with more dissatisfaction and angst....now he's getting into the petty insults, name-calling, and threats stage
LOL....some ppl [sigh]

 

[Jar1985]

he's too busy flooding my inbox with more dissatisfaction and angst....now he's getting into the petty insults, name-calling, and threats stage LOL....some ppl

hahahaha I don't understand some people. Looking for "advice" doesn't meant you are going to hear what you want to hear nor does it mean that what you think you already know is correct. What the hell, I hope he does use test as his "pct", he'll be back in a month wondering why his balls are the size of raisins lol.

 

[Spaniard]

1. I'm aware that 30lb is excessive. I'm going to be strict dieting and only pushing a small surplus to ensure I stay relatively lean.

2. I'm not on TRT so suppression is a big concern for me.

3. Do I have a risk of developing gyno from this PH ?

4. What products should I be taking to minimize the chances of getting gyno?

5. Does this PH shut me down and if so what dosage will I need to run to force this shut down?

6. What PCT should I use? I find it very hard to believe DAA is going to be a sufficient PCT. If I'm going to run the risk of developing some type of hormone suppression or hormone deficiency using this product then I would rather just cycle Test and use a PCT that has been proven to work, not some herb dug up in a filthy 3rd world country or some random animo acid that has never been proven to elevate test levels high enough to show any real benefit.

7. I have tried natty test boosters such as DAA and Trib. These products were utter garbage they did nothing in elevating my test levels above what would be considered beneficial.

8. I'm considering running Test E for my PCT to ensure my levels stay on the high scale of natty, but for obvious reasons I'd like to avoid doing so as I'm not really ready to be on TRT for the rest of my life and I'd prefer to play with warm coals before stepping into a hot fire.

First of all, calm down. A lot of the questions you're having could have been answered via a few searches. That's all these guys are saying. Take it easy.

Now, it seems a little ridiculous to reply with the lengthy posts they did explaining why you need to research when answering your questions would've been shorter, taken less time, and wouldn't have came off so inflammatory but to each their own.

For reference your questions have been numbered in the quoted post. The answers correspond with the same number etc.

1. Good, if you gain at a decent pace don't be afraid to push it.

2. Suppression is a big deal for everyone. It's one of the risks you run when consuming an exogenous hormone. If you'd like further info look up feedback mechanisms and sex hormones. Put it this way - when taking an outside source of a hormone your body downregulates its own production i.e. suppression.

3. Not likely. The target hormone 1 Test should not bind with the aromatase enzyme. That being said this is a two step process so there will be other isomers that the 1 DHEA converts to as well such as 1-androstenedione and 1-androstenediol. These could potentially bind and cause estrogenic sides. However, to what amount I'm not fully aware. You likely won't have any estrogenic issues but I think it's important to know the possibilities.

4. To minimize estrogenic sides you would take an AI (aromatase inhibitor). *I would not start with an AI with 1 DHEA. The conversion to 1 Test will more than likely mitigate any estrogen side effects being that 1 Test is a metabolite of DHT.

5. Shutdown is pretty much the same thing as suppression. The only difference is complete shutdown probably won't occur. Although, are you seeing a trend? "Probably, likely..." being used throughout. There is no way to know how you will react to the compound. You may shutdown completely, you may only be lightly suppressed. This is because everyone's body is different. However, entering any exogenous hormone into your body will suppress you and has the ability to shut you down.

6. Search man, this is where you search. Look into SERM's, look into OTC PCT's. DAA does have data on raising testosterone levels, again this is highly individual specific as there were non responder groups in the studies. Finaflex makes an OTC PCT product, as do we. With DHEA metabolites a lot of people get away with an OTC PCT product.

7. See 6. Again DAA has scientific data. It is not going to raise endogenous T to any appreciable rate that will translate to "teh gainz" but for HPTA restoration it has proven to be helpful. Again, research this is where you decide what you want. If you don't like DAA find something you do like and then check feedback on it. Research the ingredients and make a decision.

8. This is where where researching comes in handy. You don't take exogenous (outside the body) hormones to restore homeostasis (bodily balance). By taking Test E you would further suppress your endogenous hormone production. PCT is a time for rebounding your natural production, not suppressing it.

Good luck
-V

 

[abudabu]

Op , dude common..

You came here for advise but yet you ignore more knowledgeable guys just because what they say didn't match your " other info source"
That clearly misleads you and confuses you.

You asked for advise from people that used the product ? I gave you one. I run 1-dhea. Now it's my third time.
I like it. I don't use it for bulk or cut. Just for the strength and better recovery.
Like snags said it great starter. No way with recommended dose you will gain 14 kg. and if you do ? Probably you could achieve it naturally and didn't use your all natural potential before jumping on PH.
How about you provide us some information about yourself : age , heigh, starting weigh, how much you gained naturally.

 

[Lukef2000]

Haha wow this thread has been amusing. Some people.....

 

[Jiigzz]

If 1-Andro is actually a two-step precursor to 1-testosterone as stated on the finaflex website then theoretically it's a steroid.

90% of steroid users stay on Test as a PCT, especially serious lifters who want to maximize their gains.

There is no post cycle therapy that can return your natural testosterone levels back to where they were prior to anabolic steroid use. This is a fact. So supping with Test on a PCT is very common especially in the powerlifting and bodybuilding community community.

TRT with Test will stimulate your pituitary to release more Luteinizing Hormone (LH) and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) which will in-turn stimulate the testicles to produce more testosterone.

Anyway I'm sick of replying to you guys half you blokes have never even spoken to a real steroid user you just rant crap you read online, it's a never ending cycle of utter garbage.

Ciao.

This is completely false. Injecting test will just shut you down in a time you are trying to reverse suppression.

You are also incorrect that test will stimulate LH or FSH. It is the other way around. LH stimulates test production in the testes and it is suppressed when there is a supraphysiological amount of test in the system.

This is why balls shrivel up on cycle unless you utilise Hcg on cycle.

 

[Lukef2000]

This is completely false. Injecting test will just shut you down in a time you are trying to reverse suppression.

Lol there's no telling this dude.

 

[PinkHeart]

This is pointless.

OP buy 2 bottles, run them at a slightly higher dosage then recommended. Come back in a month and let' us know how it goes.

The stuff isn't even methylated, there are kids doing harder drugs, drinking that will do more damage. Worst case scenario at the end of the cycle your going to feel a tad ****ty for a little while. The amount Of drama for such as product is ridiculous. Grow a pair already and continue to train naturally (recommended) or pop some pills.

 

[Lukef2000]

hey mate wake up any kind of prohormones are banned in AU

Lol just because their banned doesn't mean ****. Plenty of supplement companies ship Ph/Ds to australia and the vast majority come through. Steroids are banned worldwide and millions of people use then every day. Don't be so naive.

 

[PinkHeart]

i didn't said that you can't order ph just that both methylated /unmethylated officially are banned in au, in real life you can order anything you want...

Ok... And? ****s given zero

 

[PinkHeart]

giv3m3g4ins
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It was the comment to this guy

Originally Posted by PinkHeart
Why don't you give h-drol or epi a go for a first cycle instead? From all the logs I've read and other peoples opinions they are pretty legit first timers. Very safe as well.

I'll be giving epi a go myself at some point.
Australia has very strict customs, anything entering the country is inspected with great detail. From what I have heard, methylated PH's are not permitted into the country, customs will send them back to the manufacturer.

I've never taken a PH or any type of hormones related supplement so I'm going to run a product that isn't methylated for my first cycle. I'll probably run Alpha after Andro. Maybe sometime down the track I'll fondle the stronger compounds but right now, I'm still new to this and my health is still more important than a few kilos of muscle gains.

Then don't use anabolics. Why would you use any kind of anabolic agent to gain very little? Fix up your diet, wait a little longer to get the results you want. When you are at a stage where you are considering using anabolics, run test if you can get it. Screw PH/DS they do work, and are a nice alternative. But Test straight will have they least amounts of sides, best results and well researched.

Good luck