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Few questions, EQ vs tren

milbrandt1

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Ok after a lot of reading and deliberating I've decided against Tren for my third cycle.. after reading logs and several testimonials I just don't think I'm prepared for something as powerful as tren just yet.. After hearing the sides including increased aggression, night sweats, cough, and several others I'm honest to admit it, I'm too much of a ***** for tren right now haha..

Anyways plan on swapping out the tren and doing a test/EQ for my third cycle, looking as follows:

Test E 600mg/wk 1-12
EQ (Bold) 400-500mg/wk 1-12
Trenavar, Dbol, or Tbol 1-4 for jumper

Thoughts?

Looking to add some lean mass without the water (avoid Dbol?) with limited sides, I'm just a beginner in the game. Also a quick question regarding pins.. last 2 cycles I pinned with 23g 1.5'' needles but am looking into 1'' needles for this one, I have a low bf% and don't think I'll have a problem getting deep into muscle tissue with 1", Thoughts?

Stats:
23yr old
5'10"
193lbs
~7% bf
2 cycles in the past including test, dbol, tbol, and winny.
PCT and diet in check
 
The significantly longer ester on the bold means you should stop it ~2 weeks before the test, I'd run the test out to 14 weeks and make it a 16 weeker with a 6 week pct. 1" should be fine everywhere except possibly glutes, but don't you dare put a pic of your ass up and ask us if it is lean enough :D

ManBeast
 
ManBeast said:
The significantly longer ester on the bold means you should stop it ~2 weeks before the test, I'd run the test out to 14 weeks and make it a 16 weeker with a 6 week pct. 1" should be fine everywhere except possibly glutes, but don't you dare put a pic of your ass up and ask us if it is lean enough :D

ManBeast
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Hahaha no ass pics right now.. so stick with 1.5" for glutes? I don't think I'd have a problem with 1" on glutes but I'd rather be safe than sorry..

How does this look:
Test 600mg 1-14
EQ 400-500mg 1-12
And thoughts on oral to start?

Sorry for all the questions, but this board is beyond helpful.
 
Oral is up to you, dbol is tried and true with that cycle and doesn't take a large dose to get results (25mg or so), but your favorite should do just as well (I'd stick to a mass-oriented one instead of a hardener though).

ManBeast
 
ManBeast said:
Oral is up to you, dbol is tried and true with that cycle and doesn't take a large dose to get results (25mg or so), but your favorite should do just as well (I'd stick to a mass-oriented one instead of a hardener though).

ManBeast
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Thoughts on Trenavar for oral? New and relatively unexplored, I have interest though.
 
Eh, the new and not totally proven would steer me away if I was starting soon. If this was a few months down the road and I had time to research/see logs etc. I'd have a different opinion.

ManBeast
 
ManBeast said:
The significantly longer ester on the bold means you should stop it ~2 weeks before the test, I'd run the test out to 14 weeks and make it a 16 weeker with a 6 week pct. 1" should be fine everywhere except possibly glutes, but don't you dare put a pic of your ass up and ask us if it is lean enough :D

ManBeast
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What signifactly longer ester ? The undecylenate ?
Enanthate = 10,5-11 days
Undecylenate = 14 days

milbrandt1 said:
Hahaha no ass pics right now.. so stick with 1.5" for glutes? I don't think I'd have a problem with 1" on glutes but I'd rather be safe than sorry..

How does this look:
Test 600mg 1-14
EQ 400-500mg 1-12
And thoughts on oral to start?

Sorry for all the questions, but this board is beyond helpful.
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IMO:
Weeks 1-14/16 --> Test E.400-500mg/week
Weeks 1-14/16 --> EQ 600-800mg/week
Weeks 1-16/18 --> Arimidex 0,50-1mg EOD OR Aromasin 12,5-25mg ED

Comments:
- EQ has a 400mg/week minimum for at least 14 weeks but aside hunger don't expect much. For good gains the minimun is at least 600mg with optimal being 800-1200mg/week - it may seems high but that's just the way it is. -
- You could use an oral as a kickstart and/or if you don't want to up the injectables (because 14-16 weeks it's kinda long and the body will get used to the drugs) you could do mini 3-4 week blasts with orals with equal time apart.
- If you are legit 7% sub, you could easily go anywhere from 1,5" to 1/2" 29g.
- 2 weeks after last injection you should start PCT with Nolva & Clomid.
 
I prefer the guidelines of an active half-life for Enan at 10 days, and Undec at 16. I just feel (personally) that it is easier to hop on pct with just test remaining in the system instead of a concoction of chemicals.

ManBeast
 
ManBeast said:
I prefer the guidelines of an active half-life for Enan at 10 days, and Undec at 16. I just feel (personally) that it is easier to hop on pct with just test remaining in the system instead of a concoction of chemicals.

ManBeast
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That doesn't mean it's the right choice - again the Half lives are10,5-11 and 14 days respectively.
Also HPTA wouldn't tell the difference, it's down already.
 
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