FDA begins targeting Arimistane

[JoePaul39]

It appears Arimistane May soon be on the ropes. https://blog.priceplow.com/industry-news/fda-arimistane-warning

 

[Matthersby]

Never used it, but I’m tired of the FDA “looking out for us” so we can buy DMAA and AI’s (or pseudo-AI’s) like this from even shadier sources with no intent to consume of course.

Teenagers buying Superdrol at the local vitamin store or buying steroids online, there’s no difference the FDA will ever make. Education and prevention and legalization is the only way. Marijuana should have never been illegal.

I’d rather buy ecstasy at a local smoke shop or dispensary than from “a guy” hanging out in the back of a van. The FDA making it legal or illegal based on their agendas makes no difference to someone who chooses to take the risks associated with the drug. They just force us down to shyttier and shadier avenues.

 

[Anabaholic]

It would be a good laugh if they really did ban arimistane but it seems like the warning letter was more about the company's labeling and making it easy for people to believe arimistane is a pharmaceutical.

 

[suavmcgauv]

Most anything worth a while is already banned/controlled anyways.

I agree, the FDA is never looking out for "us." The FDA creates policy based on the will of lobbyists and an occasional public safety crisis. But, the crisis's are generally caused by their already bad policies pushing citizens to explore more dangerous alternatives to banned substances, or shadier sources. Not to mention the effect that prohibition has internationally, especially in our border countries, fueling organized crime.

On the other hand...who needs this supplement? Save some money andand get some Clomid and Aromasin. Much cheaper and is more effective/studied.

 

[YoungThor]

Never used it, but I’m tired of the FDA “looking out for us” so we can buy DMAA and AI’s (or pseudo-AI’s) like this from even shadier sources with no intent to consume of course.

Teenagers buying Superdrol at the local vitamin store or buying steroids online, there’s no difference the FDA will ever make. Education and prevention and legalization is the only way. Marijuana should have never been illegal.

I’d rather buy ecstasy at a local smoke shop or dispensary than from “a guy” hanging out in the back of a van. The FDA making it legal or illegal based on their agendas makes no difference to someone who chooses to take the risks associated with the drug. They just force us down to shyttier and shadier avenues.

Totally agree. And then the justice system profits from making drugs illegal because us users become criminals who have to pay astronomical fines and court fees if we’re caught. Depending on the drug you’re caught with, they may profit off your slavery, aka imprisonment, since you’ll be making broom handles or some shyt for 2 cents a day.

 

[JoePaul39]

Totally agree. And then the justice system profits from making drugs illegal because us users become criminals who have to pay astronomical fines and court fees if we’re caught. Depending on the drug you’re caught with, they may profit off your slavery, aka imprisonment, since you’ll be making broom handles or some shyt for 2 cents a day.

If they send you to prison the government loses money because you are no longer paying taxes and now they are in fact having to pay to feed you, give you shelter, and free healthcare.

 

[YoungThor]

Well our prison system is not solely run by the government. We have private prisons that are for profit. The prisoners themselves are a commodity to the prison because every prisoner needs to have a set amount of money spent toward their survival (food and other basic needs). Our government gives these private prisons the set amount asked for (let’s say $100 a day per prisoner). The private prison can then figure out how to cut costs and increase their bottom line. Maybe they can get away with spending only $75 per prisoner everyday. Now they make $25 off of every prisoner everyday, so the prisoner’s existence alone generates money for the private prison. These prisons are also publicly traded. The more prisoners, the higher the stock price. The private prisons spend some of this money on lobbying the government, as all corporations do. So now some of the politicians directly profit from prisoners. And that’s the cycle. Politicians get to keep their jobs and get re-elected after spending money that was generated by putting people behind bars. Yes, taxes play a part in this but far more money is created then is spent, or else the corporate prison model would crumble.

But private prisons only make up a small fraction of overall prisons. I’m sure public prisons are saving money elsewhere. The vast majority of people in American prisons were poor on the outside. Of course the cost of government aid given to prisoners is extremely minimal, basically just bare necessities. Welfare and other government aid programs given to people on the outside cost far more per person. So that’s just one potential way they could actually be saving money when they put particular individuals away.

 

[JoePaul39]

Well our prison system is not solely run by the government. We have private prisons that are for profit. The prisoners themselves are a commodity to the prison because every prisoner needs to have a set amount of money spent toward their survival (food and other basic needs). Our government gives these private prisons the set amount asked for (let’s say $100 a day per prisoner). The private prison can then figure out how to cut costs and increase their bottom line. Maybe they can get away with spending only $75 per prisoner everyday. Now they make $25 off of every prisoner everyday, so the prisoner’s existence alone generates money for the private prison. These prisons are also publicly traded. The more prisoners, the higher the stock price. The private prisons spend some of this money on lobbying the government, as all corporations do. So now some of the politicians directly profit from prisoners. And that’s the cycle. Politicians get to keep their jobs and get re-elected after spending money that was generated by putting people behind bars. Yes, taxes play a part in this but far more money is created then is spent, or else the corporate prison model would crumble.

But private prisons only make up a small fraction of overall prisons. I’m sure public prisons are saving money elsewhere. The vast majority of people in American prisons were poor on the outside. Of course the cost of government aid given to prisoners is extremely minimal, basically just bare necessities. Welfare and other government aid programs given to people on the outside cost far more per person. So that’s just one potential way they could actually be saving money when they put particular individuals away.

The more people unemployed the less tax revenue collected. Government is run on tax revenue. This is why governments in socialist type countries that offer the most services also have amongst the highest individual tax rates in the world.

While it is true some prisons are run by privately held entities, the government still has to pay these entities to run the prison, thus while the private prison firm makes a profit to the government it is an expense. If sending people to prison was a profitable venture for government there wouldn’t be so many convicted murders who get short sentences and so many numerous repeat offenders that don’t go to jail at all. Free healthcare is also very expensive. Not to mention free education. Public education for school children in the general public is typically paid for by the parents of the school children working and then paying property taxes, unlike education for prisoners which is just a straight up expense to the government without any tax revenue to offset it.

I am an auditor and have audited prison corporations. I was amazed at all the “freebies” they get while reviewing the company’s operating expenses. Free flat screen TVs, microwaves, free snacks from the commissary as a “reward” for winning prison softball games, movie rentals, board games, etc. The vast majority of people in prison are there because they are convicted felons found guilty by a jury of their peers, not innocent victims that are there due to the fact they were born to an economically depressed family. The way government makes the most money is when the least amount of people in the population are unemployed, thereby maximizing total tax revenue collected. Sending more people to prison does the exact opposite by decreasing tax revenue since less people are paying taxes and it only increases government expenses by having more people living off the government. Our unemployment rate is now nearly at an all time record low which is why the economy growth rate is now nearly at a 4 percent rate ( a rate many thought was unattainable) This is why a theory put forth that the government financially profits by sending more people to prison just doesn’t make sense from a pure economic perspective.

 

[JoePaul39]

Well our prison system is not solely run by the government. We have private prisons that are for profit. The prisoners themselves are a commodity to the prison because every prisoner needs to have a set amount of money spent toward their survival (food and other basic needs). Our government gives these private prisons the set amount asked for (let’s say $100 a day per prisoner). The private prison can then figure out how to cut costs and increase their bottom line. Maybe they can get away with spending only $75 per prisoner everyday. Now they make $25 off of every prisoner everyday, so the prisoner’s existence alone generates money for the private prison. These prisons are also publicly traded. The more prisoners, the higher the stock price. The private prisons spend some of this money on lobbying the government, as all corporations do. So now some of the politicians directly profit from prisoners. And that’s the cycle. Politicians get to keep their jobs and get re-elected after spending money that was generated by putting people behind bars. Yes, taxes play a part in this but far more money is created then is spent, or else the corporate prison model would crumble.

But private prisons only make up a small fraction of overall prisons. I’m sure public prisons are saving money elsewhere. The vast majority of people in American prisons were poor on the outside. Of course the cost of government aid given to prisoners is extremely minimal, basically just bare necessities. Welfare and other government aid programs given to people on the outside cost far more per person. So that’s just one potential way they could actually be saving money when they put particular individuals away.

Fact- Expense of prisons to taxpayer’s nationally a year
38.8 BILLION a year
https://shnny.org/research/the-price-of-prisons-what-incarceration-costs-taxpayers/

Fact- Average cost to incarcerate a Federal inmate per year $31,977.65 ($87.61 per day).
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/07/19/2016-17040/annual-determination-of-average-cost-of-incarceration

It is very expensive to imprison people. It would probably be cheaper to the taxpayer for the prisoners to be out in the poplulatoom on public housing,Medicaid, and food-stamps and at least save the cost of prison gaurd salaries. Also, not all people in prison were unemployed before going to prison. Some were hard working taxpayers paying into the government and this ceased upon going to jail.

At any rate, I am bowing out on this topic and will agree to disagree. You can post the last word if you wish. I (and probably you) came here to discuss anabolics, not prisons lol!

 

[YoungThor]

If you don’t know about or believe in the prison industrial complex, then we never should’ve had this conversation.


I agree to disagree but I would like to say that I think we’re talking about two slightly different things. You’re talking about how putting people in prison has a negative effect on the governments wealth and I’m talking about how it directly benefits those who run the government because corporations pay for their elections. I don’t truly believe politicians care very much about the economic health of the government. We’re in 20 trillion dollars of debt and it’s growing. How could a politician justify actually giving a sh!t about our nation’s finances knowing that statistic?

I’m saying the corporate prison system financially benefits investors, and politicians. If every time we sent someone to prison, politicians had to pay out of pocket to keep them there, then everyone would be free. But the government pays, which means us ordinary people pay, and on an individual level we each contribute mere pennies toward paying for prisoners.

Can we at least agree that politicians benefit from having very large, financially viable, publicly traded corporations backing them?

One last thing, yes of course working people go to prison. About 75% of the guys on my construction crew have been to prison. Two are back in now. Yes, they pay taxes, and now their not, and instead we’re paying for them to be housed and fed. But the more prisoners a prison holds, the higher their stock price becomes. Now more investors and investment firms buy stocks from the prison, which also creates revenue for the government because stock earnings are taxed. One investor who makes millions on publicly trading prison stocks will contribute far more in taxes then the blue collar meth heads I work with do.

One last thing. These prisoners in corporate prisons are contracted by other major corporations to make items that we buy in stores. Soooo many corporations that we use all the time rely on prison labor. These corporations profit from using the extremely cheap prison labor. The greater the corporation profits, the more taxes they pay (unless they keep their money hidden in the Caribbean of course). The corporate prisons themselves pay taxes. There are countless ways that prisons generate revenue.

 

[JoePaul39]

If you don’t know about or believe in the prison industrial complex, then we never should’ve had this conversation.


I agree to disagree but I would like to say that I think we’re talking about two slightly different things. You’re talking about how putting people in prison has a negative effect on the governments wealth and I’m talking about how it directly benefits those who run the government because corporations pay for their elections. I don’t truly believe politicians care very much about the economic health of the government. We’re in 20 trillion dollars of debt and it’s growing. How could a politician justify actually giving a sh!t about our nation’s finances knowing that statistic?

I’m saying the corporate prison system financially benefits investors, and politicians. If every time we sent someone to prison, politicians had to pay out of pocket to keep them there, then everyone would be free. But the government pays, which means us ordinary people pay, and on an individual level we each contribute mere pennies toward paying for prisoners.

Can we at least agree that politicians benefit from having very large, financially viable, publicly traded corporations backing them?

One last thing, yes of course working people go to prison. About 75% of the guys on my construction crew have been to prison. Two are back in now. Yes, they pay taxes, and now their not, and instead we’re paying for them to be housed and fed. But the more prisoners a prison holds, the higher their stock price becomes. Now more investors and investment firms buy stocks from the prison, which also creates revenue for the government because stock earnings are taxed. One investor who makes millions on publicly trading prison stocks will contribute far more in taxes then the blue collar meth heads I work with do.

One last thing. These prisoners in corporate prisons are contracted by other major corporations to make items that we buy in stores. Soooo many corporations that we use all the time rely on prison labor. These corporations profit from using the extremely cheap prison labor. The greater the corporation profits, the more taxes they pay (unless they keep their money hidden in the Caribbean of course). The corporate prisons themselves pay taxes. There are countless ways that prisons generate revenue.

I do agree with you on the aspect of the private prisons. These should be eliminated to remove potential conflicts of lobbyist money influencing politician’s lawmaking decisions, people trading stock to make a profit on the running of the prisons, and the private prisons trying to cut cost on prisoner care to maximize profits.

 

[Renew1]

Since we're not in prison yet...maybe we could focus on these things...

 

[Renew1]

https://medium.com/@anthonyroberts/feds-getting-serious-about-peptides-sarms-and-research-chems-f9187411a24b

 

[mikeymike85]

Guess I'll be stocking up on Armistane, I personally like it a lot.

 

[Renew1]

Guess I'll be stocking up on Armistane, I personally like it a lot.

Yeah, I always had a bottle in my stash for about 5 years. I personally would never count on it as my AI any more, but I've definitely seen positive effects from it.
And (right now, at least) the price is right.

 

[mikeymike85]

Yeah, I always had a bottle in my stash for about 5 years. I personally would never count on it as my AI any more, but I've definitely seen positive effects from it.
And (right now, at least) the price is right.

It's reversed gyno for me- no lie. I like the cortisol and drying out it gives. Reduces my anxiety as well.

 

[bigdavid]

It's reversed gyno for me- no lie. I like the cortisol and drying out it gives. Reduces my anxiety as well.

Reversed a gyno flare for me as well. Was using 150 mg for a few days then down to 100 when I had success in this area.

 

[JoePaul39]

It's reversed gyno for me- no lie. I like the cortisol and drying out it gives. Reduces my anxiety as well.

Wow that is amazing! Was it Arimistane all by itself that reversed the gyno ( no SERM/AI)?

 

[mikeymike85]

Wow that is amazing! Was it Arimistane all by itself that reversed the gyno ( no SERM/AI)?

Correct. It was CEL Post Cycle to be exact...contained Armistane

 

[Davy25]

I always try to find on cycle support with arimistane and pct support with it as well. I think its a pretty important ingredient *no studies really back this up?* but i feel it drys me out and reduces estro rebound during pct. if it gets blacklisted it would be a shame.

 

[Rad83]

I knew something was up, as I’ve hardly been able to find any arimistane on
ama zon ! (my fave being Nolvadren xt has been gone for months!)

 

[Matthersby]

https://medium.com/@anthonyroberts/feds-getting-serious-about-peptides-sarms-and-research-chems-f9187411a24b

Wonderful.

 

[Renew1]

Wonderful.

My feelings exactly.