Favorite creatine??
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TeamTGB
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That's completely fine, others may have higher absorption but will cut the dose back because of said absorption but regardless you need a high dose of creatine 1-3g isn't going to cut it no matter how well it is absorbed. So in my opinion monohydrate is hard to beat bang for your buck.
The Solution
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This may be personal preference, but Mono will still reign supreme due to far more research behind it
Go find more research on a single creatine form out on the market. You will be very hard pressed to do so.
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a few for example
Another good example of Mono vs CEE
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Conclusion
Creatine ethyl ester did not show any additional benefit to increase muscle strength or performance than creatine monohydrate or maltodextose placebo.
Additionally, total body mass, fat mass, fat-free mass, and thigh muscle mass were not significantly enhanced with creatine ethyl ester supplementation compared to placebo or creatine monohydrate groups.
I. The vast majority of the improvement observed in the present study can most likely be attributed to the training protocol itself, rather than the supplementation.
Furthermore, it appears that the skeletal muscle uptake of creatine ethyl ester uptake was not significant enough to increase skeletal muscle creatine levels without significant degradation to creatine occurring.
Driven2lift
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Monohydrate is perfectly fine, keep it as is
Only way it gets better is via synergy, with methyl donors or other goodies. Write up on Ergonine has the bigger ones mentioned and references
Just don't waste your money on fancy forms of creatine itself
Only way it gets better is via synergy, with methyl donors or other goodies. Write up on Ergonine has the bigger ones mentioned and references
Just don't waste your money on fancy forms of creatine itself
Parad0x
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Im not an advocate of ethyl ester bro, Hydrochloride. And yeah mono has more research because it's been around a lot longer. Monohydrate just isn't my favorite because it's bloates me hard as f*** whereas it's been proven that HCl supplements your natural creatine flow in a less unnatural way. But when taking mono, i only use micronized. The increase in surface area increases it's usage
The Solution
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Links to bold over mono? Always want to learn.
^^^^ thats what i got out of it too. I have yet to see more research on other forms and it being superior over monohydate. but open to learn and expand my knowledge.
AntM1564
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If you are just looking for a basic creatine, bulk mono is the way to go. It is cheap and will last forever.
If you're looking for something a little more, CreMax XT is worth looking into. It contains 1 gram of Glycerol which will help with a fuller look and could provide a better pump when training. Also, amento which will help with strength while training. Not only is it a creatine product, but it can double as a non stim pre workout.
If you're looking for something a little more, CreMax XT is worth looking into. It contains 1 gram of Glycerol which will help with a fuller look and could provide a better pump when training. Also, amento which will help with strength while training. Not only is it a creatine product, but it can double as a non stim pre workout.
alwaysfirst
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My favorite is ModernCREATINE by USPlabs, not a fan of Mono but use it from time to time.
Aleksandar37
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Year round. Some people do cycle on and off of it, but there is no reason that I've seen yet to do so.
The Solution
Legend
This
3-5g on workout days after 5g for 30 days
No need to load/cycle creatine.
muscleupcrohn
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How do you dose monohydrate and HCL? I've found that a lot of people will load monohydrate at 10-20g per day when they first start taking it, but will only take a few grams of HCL when they first start taking it, so it doesn't surprise me that a lot of people complain about bloating with monohydrate vs other forms of creatine (not saying that you do this, just mentioning that it seems to be fairly common).
Driven2lift
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I notice zero difference whatsoever,
Assuming the same net weight creatine.
Other than my wallet being lighter while using any novel form
Assuming the same net weight creatine.
Other than my wallet being lighter while using any novel form
Driven2lift
Legend
Undoubtedly, if you think creatine bloats you
Aleksandar37
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No need to load it. Back in the mid 90s when I first started using creatine, everybody was giving directions about loading and taking with a carb source. I remember something weird about suggestions to use grape juice with it too. Loading always made me feel bloated, but I've had much more success just taking it without a loading period.
muscleupcrohn
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I know, I was trying to say that a lot of people complain about monohydrate because they unnecessarily take too much, as loading is not needed.
Aleksandar37
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Oh, sorry! Yes, completely agree. I spent a lot of those beginning days feeling horrible and wondering why the hell I was taking this stuff.
Jiigzz
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Or are they? dun dun dunnn.
HCl is more stable in water, not that that matters much. Aside from that, creatine pulls water inside a cell, not outside and if its true creatine, all will do this regardless of form.
T-Bone
Banned
Maybe you are just more susceptible to placebo effects from things that come in shiny packages.
Parad0x
Active member
Yeah I never take any supplement expecting it to work. No placebo effects for me.
T-Bone
Banned
Everyone experiences placebo effect. Are you telling me you are immune to this?. If so this is pretty exciting. You might want to get into the lab and have scientists study you.
muscleupcrohn
Legend
It's not possible to take out all variables and assumptions. I'm not sure if you're joking though.
Aleksandar37
Well-known member
If we're getting all science-y, you're better off going with the null hypothesis and assuming it doesn't work.
Parad0x
Active member
Half joking but you can nullify the majority of variables to have a valid hypothesis. If you want to know if something truly works, you need a control group and a group with the drug in question and moniter both while eliminating as many variables as physicaly possible (diet, exercise regime, habits, supplements, etc) and what you are left with is pure, unadulterated truth.
Aleksandar37
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However, when you're looking at products for yourself, do you really care if the product works for anybody else except yourself?
Parad0x
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Depends on what the product is used for. When it comes to supplements, if more than a certain number of people verify its efficacy, I'll give it a try based on that but won't expect sh*t till i have results. Otherwise, I research facts and find something that matches those facts.
Aleksandar37
Well-known member
I understand that, but you're saying that you buy a product--not expecting anything--and try it to see if it works or not. There's no need to go into having multiple treatment groups if that is all you are looking for. On another tangent, why would you buy something that you assume doesn't work? I agree we can't know until we try, but I like to have at least a rough idea before I hand over my money.
muscleupcrohn
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A plethora of people have sworn that CEE, arginine, and horribly under-dosed products were the best thing ever, despite studies later coming out showing the opposite. Even if you say that you "won't expect sh*t," that's not how it works; simply by being aware that "a certain number of people [have verified] its efficacy," that statement of not expecting anything goes out the window, weather you think it does or not.
Parad0x
Active member
Let's agree to disagree.
muscleupcrohn
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Fine, but, by researching a supplement (knowing what it is, what it's supposed to do, and what people noticed from it), something that you claim to do before you decide to try it, how are you not subject to the placebo effect? Additionally, it seems that you do research to determine if you want to try a supplement (a smart thing to do, obviously), and I assume that there are some supplements you decide to try, and others you do not. If, after doing enough research on supplement A (studies show that it is an effective stimulant, and many people report feeling very energized after taking it), you decide to purchase it and give it a try, are you not, at least on some level, expecting it to provide you with energy? Are you not going to be consciously looking for changes in energy after taking the supplement? How are you going to decide how and when to take the supplement if you're not expecting anything at all?
I'm not saying that your method doesn't work for you, and isn't practical, just that to assume that you are completely immune to the placebo effect and able to eliminate all variables and expectations is incorrect.
muscleupcrohn
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I thought you'd say that. If you are aware that it is a stimulant, and you know what you should expect from a stimulant, to a degree at least, and you are consciously evaluating the products effectiveness in regards to certain parameters that you expect it to effect, I fail to see how you are not susceptible to the placebo effect; taking a stimulant before bed or a sedative before a workout doesn't change that.
I suppose you could get a better idea by having another person give you either the supplement you are evaluating or a placebo without telling you which is which, and then take the other one another time (and maybe repeat this a few times), taking notes and making observations each time, and then compare your notes and observations after you've taken both the supplement and the placebo. Even then, it's still technically impossible to eliminate ALL other variables, but it'll still help eliminate the placebo effect that you are NOT immune to.
Parad0x
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Just saying, I never said you could eliminate ALL variables. We are human; that's impossible. And speaking of sedatives before a workout, reminds me of how I learned niquil is a sedative involving a cold on a day at band camp lol