Expert cycle for beginners (what?) or Second First Cycle

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So I'm designing a stack of low side compounds for a 20 week blast. My first return to pinning in a decade and I'm trying to go from zero to hero.

And of course I'd like a little second opinion...

So far it looks kind of like this

Test C or E: xxxmg e3d 1-20
EQ: xxxmg e3d 1-20
Anavar: 20mg 2x/d 1-20 (I know what I'm doing)
MK677 15mg/d 1-20+ cruise
Cardarine 15mg/d 1-20+ cruise

IGF1-LR3 xxxmcg/d (will start only if gains plateau or recovery does not reach my expectations)
Hexarelin xxxmcg/PWO (starts under same conditions as IGF)

Exemestane 5mg on pinning day to start.

Have on hand (as always) caber, prami, Letro, arimidex, Clomid, nolvadex, raloxifene, torem, Cialis, lisdexamfet (for severe lethargy),

If I start to gain more fat than I'd like, I'll add t3.


There's a bit more but I'm short on time. Ridicule, discuss, suggest, etc in the meantime.
 
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I think 500mg test and 600mg eq would be solid, maybe more if you’ve got a good amount of size already. Not familiar with the peptides though.
 

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What did you run 10 years back?

Basically asking how you respond to test as to me that would dictate the test:eq ratio.

Weirdly I’d like to add 1,000mg epiandro pow for the last 6 weeks
 
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Or OPS requested ridicule haha
 
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Assuming you're about 200lbs and not a fat ass.. My .02 300 test 6-700 eq.

Doesn’t MK-677 basically stop working after 4 weeks? I think threre is a thread on here where a guy got bloods and his IGF-1 returned to baseline after like 4 weeks.If so it may be best to do 4 on 4 off.
 
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Oh you had me with ‘from zero to hero’ statement.
 
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My .02 300test 6-700 eq.

Doesn’t MK-677 basically stop working after 4 weeks? I think threre is a thread on here where a guy got bloods and his returned to baseline after like 4 weeks.If so it may be best to do 4 on 4 off.
Nah it shouldnt. It should however not affect your natural production which means whenever you go off it should return to baseline
 
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Here is the thread where the guys IGF-1 went way up at week 3, then almost back to baseline by week 5
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/igf-1-gh/305930-mk-677-somatozine-2.html

"For me by the 2nd monthish in I am almost back to my baseline, and by that 3rd month and pretty much there. So I can say that for me one full month on then 1-2 month off is best me and that anything past (1 month on) I'm just wasting my mk-677. That still +153 from my baseline for a solid month. That not mentioning that first week it's even higher.

So to sum things up, find your tolerance level, test for it, and stop your cycle when your at level and then take that 1-2 month of then restart back on your cycle. 3 months on max if what I suggest followed by that 1-2 month off to reset. Hope this info help."
 
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Here is the thread where the guys IGF-1 went way up at week 3, then almost back to baseline by week 5
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/igf-1-gh/305930-mk-677-somatozine-2.html

"For me by the 2nd monthish in I am almost back to my baseline, and by that 3rd month and pretty much there. So I can say that for me one full month on then 1-2 month off is best me and that anything past (1 month on) I'm just wasting my mk-677. That still +153 from my baseline for a solid month. That not mentioning that first week it's even higher.

So to sum things up, find your tolerance level, test for it, and stop your cycle when your at level and then take that 1-2 month of then restart back on your cycle. 3 months on max if what I suggest followed by that 1-2 month off to reset. Hope this info help."
Strange.. I know there's some talk about one day off a week or something but from what I can read you should take it year round.
 
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Strange.. I know there's some talk about one day off a week or something but from what I can read you should take it year round.
I thought the same thing. Perhaps it was the distributors of MK-677 that started that rumor??? I know there have been a few guys that posted bloods and as far as I know it lost effectiveness for them within a couple of months. For this^ particular guy it was about 4-5 weeks.
 
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Have you considered MK for 4 weeks and CJC-DAC with a boom dose of GHRP-2 before bed for 4 weeks. Then repeat? If I were to mess with peptides again this is what I would do.
 
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I thought the same thing. Perhaps it was the distributors of MK-677 that started that rumor??? I know there have been a few guys that posted bloods and as far as I know it lost effectiveness for them within a couple of months. For this^ particular guy it was about 4-5 weeks.
Could it be because of different brands?
 
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Could it be because of different brands?
Not sure. All I know is every user report with accompanying bloodwork shows it loses effectiveness within a couple months. And there are also studies that back this up. Dunno
 
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Not sure. All I know is every user report with accompanying bloodwork shows it loses effectiveness within a couple months. And there are also studies that back this up. Dunno
I can understand how you won't (notice it as much) because all the noticible effects such as water retention, numbness etc disappears after a while and the fat burning or muscle building properties really doesn't shine until about 6 months to a year and at that point a person probably thinks it didn't do anything and what I'm noticing now is just hard work and diet. Sometimes I don't think you even notice the positive effects because they're small, it's not aas and for anyone that still has potential to grow a lot it might not be noticible. I also don't think an average person will notice it while on gear because they can't know how much it actually does when steroids definitely will over power anything else youre taking.

Personal experience.. Numbness first week, no bloat, more dreams? Possibly but I dream every night anyways.

After a few months I feel that it helps me eat a little more crap and just stay lean more easily. I also think I can sleep less but it could be placebo. Basically I see it as a stay lean stay younger compound not really a huge muscle builder.
 
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Due to what mechanism? Everything I've read shows IGF-1 drops to baseline after a couple months..
 
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Due to what mechanism? Everything I've read shows IGF-1 drops to baseline after a couple months..
From what I've heard it peaks after a year. There's a study with one year that claims it increased fat slightly but that was because of increased hunger. The fat free mass increased which by itself would increase metabolism. The fat increased in the placebo group also but the weight gain was only a third of that with mk and the people in the study was 60-80 years of age.


CONCLUSION: Over 12 months, the ghrelin mimetic MK-677 enhanced pulsatile growth hormone secretion, significantly increased fat-free mass, and was generally well tolerated. Long-term functional and, ultimately, pharmacoeconomic, studies in elderly persons are indicated

Another study suggest it improves sleep which by itself is quite a big deal.

Could you link the study you were talking about?
 
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From what I've heard it peaks after a year. There's a study with one year that claims it increased fat slightly but that was because of increased hunger. The fat free mass increased which by itself would increase metabolism. The fat increased in the placebo group also but the weight gain was only a third of that with mk and the people in the study was 60-80 years of age.


CONCLUSION: Over 12 months, the ghrelin mimetic MK-677 enhanced pulsatile growth hormone secretion, significantly increased fat-free mass, and was generally well tolerated. Long-term functional and, ultimately, pharmacoeconomic, studies in elderly persons are indicated

Another study suggest it improves sleep which by itself is quite a big deal.

Could you link the study you were talking about?
I haven't seen the study. Only heard about it. All I know for sure is what the bloodwork results I witnessed said...
 
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I haven't seen the study. Only heard about it. All I know for sure is what the bloodwork results I witnessed said...
Got you.. Well I haven't seen that, only thing that seems to be true is that an average person might add fat due to excessive eating but the fat free mass increased by i believe 3kg during one year which really is quite remarkable considering most people probably didn't even work out at that age.
 
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It just baffling that that kind of LBM could have been gained with baseline IGF-1 levels for 10 out of 12 months. Maybe most of the gains were made during the first couple months. I’m confused lol
 
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Since I startrd MK 2 or 3yrs ago, every time I get my IGF checked it comes back as "high".
 
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It just baffling that that kind of LBM could have been gained with baseline IGF-1 levels for 10 out of 12 months. Maybe most of the gains were made during the first couple months. I’m confused lol
Yeah but I don't think it was ever mentioned that happening in the studies. One thing I know is that a lot of sarms are fake or underdosed. Mk isn't really a Sarm but sold as one and most companies creating sarms also creates mk
 
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Well it was something like first I tried 1AD, then 1-Test, then test and 1-Test, then test and EQ, then test and 1Test and EQ and anavar, then basically same but with dianabol for a couple weeks then switched back to anavar, then I just started buying and trying everything I could and I stopped keeping much account of it. Then I stopped.

I had been thinking the EQ mainly for an appetite boost, and keeping the dose relatively low so EPO doesn't increase so much, since I'll be taking it with anavar.

250mg 2x/week test c
100mg 2x/week EQ

That was my first thought. The EQ won't shine necessarily but it will for sure be there to increase appetite and digestion. Then I thought that might get a bit watery and estrogenic so I reconsidered. Pushing 700mg of aromatizing hormones with test being high in the mix usually makes that happen.

I'll have to think about it some more. Give me some good reasons to do or not do that.
 
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I'm trying to avoid having to do any bloodletting if I can.
 

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Yo everyone. I see that I made name made it in here & thread. So let me comment on the mk-677 real quick.

So my mk-677 not bunk. HPLC tested etc. I do have access to mk-677 via my compounding pharmacy, just not paying the price per cap on that lol atm. Right now just for fun I am trying out another brand for 3 months, but again all my stuff is HPLC tested etc. I also always follow up with full blood work.

There is a tolerance level to mk-677 there is no getting around this beside stopping mk-677 for a week to reset, little bit longer better. Everyone going to have to gauge whether or not you are gradually decline or like me bigger drops.

Next on the list is, Thyroid issue also effect IGF-1 levels so there that to also account for.

There no benefits of me running longer if I cant maintain above my baseline. Here some of my quotes.

“That the most important part are those numbers. You want to maintain above your baseline IGF-1 levels and if your not even doing that there there no benefits to running mk-677 for longer periods of time if all your going to do is sit at your normal baseline number. This is why one should do blood work and to monitor your IGF-1. I do not go by side effect as one may not experience those. I base anything I do off my blood work, actual numbers, and a bit on how I feel. Numbers don't lie.”

“People seem to not understand if I’m not constantly above my baseline then what I’m I gaining? Noting. I’m right back to where I started. Best thing for me is to cycle. I’d rather have +153 above my baseline every other month because then I’m gaining something or at least +50.”
 
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So,

Like I said, there's more. I am planning to be using SARMS on top of all this stuff, during the first 4-8 weeks, to sort of top off the anavar before the test and EQ really take effect.

The product I will use is a stack, pre dosed, with I believe 20mg each LGD, Ostarine, and Rad, and 10mg yk11, per tab. It is called Bulk, made by Underground Pharms. I figure if it turns out to be oral tren then oh well, I'll burn that bridge when I get to it.
 

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I think 500mg test and 600mg eq would be solid, maybe more if you’ve got a good amount of size already. Not familiar with the peptides though.
I have only done one cycle and am on my second but many say this is a kick ass cycle. You want you could kick start with 4 weeks of dbol possibly
 

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