Estrogen Rebound?

vinceisraw

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Have a few cycles under my belt. Most recently ran Super DMZ 2.0. Stopped the cycle after 3 weeks due to bad anxiety sides I never experienced before. Ran a full pct with Torem (research chem which i've used before with success) DAA and erase all tapered down like normal which i finished 1.5 months ago. That PCT was the most brutal I've had so far but I feel much better now.

The problem is after the end of my pct I noticed behind my nips I had a bruise feeling which I noticed on accident when pushed/bumped etc.. Pea sized lump behind each. No sensitivity or itching, they look pretty normal, maybe a little puffy but that may just be paranoia. Decided to play it by ear and see if it gets any better or worse and let myself normalize. Still have the lumps which are the same size and bruised feeling.

Is this just some minor estrogen rebound which will straighten itself out that someone has experienced before? I Started another pct to be safe with liquid nolva at 20mg and erase which i will taper down again. Only been doing that for a week but just looking for some advice and opinions. Im less worried about the lumps bc they are not very big and not growing. If the bruised feeling went away I would be a lot less worried. I fully admit to messing with them though haha. Trying my best to leave them alone.
 
Erase is a weak AI. M-sten binds to your SHBG pretty aggressively which can increase circulating estrogen. Nolva will help keep estrogen from attaching to breast receptors but won't decrease the estrogen that is circulating. Drop erase and add aromasin or letro. If otc is only option look at Formeron.
 
rphash49 said:
Erase is a weak AI. M-sten binds to your SHBG pretty aggressively which can increase circulating estrogen. Nolva will help keep estrogen from attaching to breast receptors but won't decrease the estrogen that is circulating. Drop erase and add aromasin or letro. If otc is only option look at Formeron.
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Is M-Sten renown for libido killing?
 
Thanks for the responses. I have considered looking into aromasin in case this didnt pan out. Maybe its time to pull the trigger and pick some up. I always get my serms from the same place. Ive tried them all to see which i liked best which was the torem so this was the second time ive ran it. Not disputing your point on the daa bc ive never looked into that but ive ran the daa and erase in pct's every time and never seemed to have a problem.
 
Daa will raise test an prolactin. This is noted in original study which companies left out of their adds.

Don't fcuk around, just run letro along with the nolva.

If your letro is legit, you'll be happy you did.

Orig erase is good enough on cycle but not pct or gyno reduction.

Letro, letro, and more letro!
 
rphash49 said:
Killed mine and my balls were small raisens. Recovery was tough, but da gainz were awesome
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HCG is looking after the men, but anything to pep up libido or is it just a sacrifice. It's as a kicker so will it come back before PCT (doing a test prop cycle with Winny at the end and M-Sten to kick off with dienelone as a bridge).
 
jbryand101b said:
Daa will raise test an prolactin. This is noted in original study which companies left out of their adds.Don't fcuk around, just run letro along with the nolva.If your letro is legit, you'll be happy you did.Orig erase is good enough on cycle but not pct or gyno reduction.Letro, letro, and more letro!
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Thanks man. Any specific reason you choose letro over aromasin in this case? I believe I can get legit of either. Didn't know if I would need the letro unless it was a last resort if the glands continued to swell and get worse. Right now all I have is the bruised feeling if i push them. Other than that they do not bother me at all and i do not notice anything besides the lumps a little smaller than a pea.
 
vinceisraw said:
Thanks man. Any specific reason you choose letro over aromasin in this case? I believe I can get legit of either. Didn't know if I would need the letro unless it was a last resort if the glands continued to swell and get worse. Right now all I have is the bruised feeling if i push them. Other than that they do not bother me at all and i do not notice anything besides the lumps a little smaller than a pea.
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Why wait till last resort? Just use letro an get it done. It works, everytime (if its legit)
 
jbryand101b said:
Why wait till last resort? Just use letro an get it done. It works, everytime (if its legit)
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Valid point. I'm assuming you would recommend the standard letro dosing protocol of starting at .5 and tapering up each day to 2.5mg until symptoms subside and tapering back down. Then follow that up with nolva tapered down to prevent another rebound.
 
vinceisraw said:
Valid point. I'm assuming you would recommend the standard letro dosing protocol of starting at .5 and tapering up each day to 2.5mg until symptoms subside and tapering back down. Then follow that up with nolva tapered down to prevent another rebound.
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No, .25mg e/d upping .25mg every 3 days as sides permit. All the way to (1ml) 2.5mg again, as sides permit

Starting too high and raising too fast is why people whine about sides
 
Update on this and a question:

I used the letro and had success tapering up to 2.5 and tapering back down. I am currently in my second week post letro on nolva and started erase today just to avoid any rebound. The left lump which was actually bigger disappeared pretty quickly, the right one is about the same size as the left but doesn't feel as flat and is closer to the surface if that makes sense. Bruised feeling is gone and they look normal. I think cutting some lbs may have helped as well.

My only question is regarding sensitivity/tingling in the right nipple that is hard to explain. I have had it throughout the entire process (pre letro, during, and now). It seems to have decreased a little since starting the nolva. I don't feel it all the time. Im just not sure if its something I should be concerned about. Everything seems normal other than this sensitivity. Is there anything else I can really do other than just let it play out?
 
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