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Estrastain (epistane and tren stack)

AZlifting123

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What's going on guys, so I'm new to the game with ph got this stuff from a buddy call estrastain which is just a stack of epistan and trenavar. Was planning on running it at a low dosage since I only have one bottle and this is my first go around with ph's.

6weeks cycleEpistane20/20/20/20/20 mg

Tren /30/30/30/30/30 mg

Haveall the stuff I need to take while cycling such as liver supports, fish oils, ect... Diet is clean and been lifting since my sophomore year in high school im 24 now and just wanted to give this a shot.

sohere's my questions is it worth even taking this with such a low mg?

Has anyone ever heard of or used estrastain before?

And what would be a good pct for this cycle I know nolvadex and clomid are great and serms are usually the way to go but with such low doses of this cycle compared to what I've seen other guys doing. would nolvadex be okay "don't really want to take clomid heard some bad things about it" or would I be better with a OTC AI such as revesitol and a test boost? Wont be starting till i have a good pct lined up.Anything would help thanks
 
Idk about the trenavar dose but the epi dose is under dosed and useless lol. Also and good serm to use is torem
 
AZlifting123 said:
What's going on guys, so I'm new to the game with ph got this stuff from a buddy call estrastain which is just a stack of epistan and trenavar. Was planning on running it at a low dosage since I only have one bottle and this is my first go around with ph's.

6weeks cycleEpistane20/20/20/20/20 mg

Tren /30/30/30/30/30 mg

Haveall the stuff I need to take while cycling such as liver supports, fish oils, ect... Diet is clean and been lifting since my sophomore year in high school im 24 now and just wanted to give this a shot.

sohere's my questions is it worth even taking this with such a low mg?

Has anyone ever heard of or used estrastain before?

And what would be a good pct for this cycle I know nolvadex and clomid are great and serms are usually the way to go but with such low doses of this cycle compared to what I've seen other guys doing. would nolvadex be okay "don't really want to take clomid heard some bad things about it" or would I be better with a OTC AI such as revesitol and a test boost? Wont be starting till i have a good pct lined up.Anything would help thanks
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Make sure you get caber if you use trenavar, even though its a prohormone its still a 19-nor based compound
 
AZlifting123 said:
What's going on guys, so I'm new to the game with ph got this stuff from a buddy call estrastain which is just a stack of epistan and trenavar. Was planning on running it at a low dosage since I only have one bottle and this is my first go around with ph's.

6weeks cycleEpistane20/20/20/20/20 mg

Tren /30/30/30/30/30 mg

Haveall the stuff I need to take while cycling such as liver supports, fish oils, ect... Diet is clean and been lifting since my sophomore year in high school im 24 now and just wanted to give this a shot.

sohere's my questions is it worth even taking this with such a low mg?

Has anyone ever heard of or used estrastain before?

And what would be a good pct for this cycle I know nolvadex and clomid are great and serms are usually the way to go but with such low doses of this cycle compared to what I've seen other guys doing. would nolvadex be okay "don't really want to take clomid heard some bad things about it" or would I be better with a OTC AI such as revesitol and a test boost? Wont be starting till i have a good pct lined up.Anything would help thanks
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I'll give my take on this bullet-style:

1. If you're new to anabolics (and just FYI, Epistane is not a prohormone; it's a steroid), then you probably shouldn't run this stack. Start with a mild compound ( Epi by itself, or Halodrol or p-mag) and run it solo.

2. Those dosages are pretty useless. Epi is typically dosed no lower than 30 mg, and Trenavar is generally run at 90+. You can probably get away with lower dosages when stacking, but I don't think running that low (20 and 30) will yield much of anything.

3. New users always say, "I heard bad things about <insert name of SERM>." The fact is all SERMs are drugs and present the risk of negative sides, just like the anabolics that you used to necessitate the use of a SERM. I don't know what "bad things" you heard about Clomid compared to other SERMs, but it's probably horse****. I do know that there are people smarter than me who recommend using Clomid rather than Nolvadex when using 19-nor compounds like Trenavar, though the reasoning is too technical for my simple mind to explain. I definitely recommend against doing an OTC PCT.

4. Your use of quotation marks toward the end of your post (would nolvadex be okay "don't really want to take clomid heard some bad things about it") is odd and unnecessary, but that's a grammatical thing and has nothing to do with your proposed cycle.
 
chris223 said:
I'll give my take on this bullet-style:

1. If you're new to anabolics (and just FYI, Epistane is not a prohormone; it's a steroid), then you probably shouldn't run this stack. Start with a mild compound ( Epi by itself, or Halodrol or p-mag) and run it solo.

2. Those dosages are pretty useless. Epi is typically dosed no lower than 30 mg, and Trenavar is generally run at 90+. You can probably get away with lower dosages when stacking, but I don't think running that low (20 and 30) will yield much of anything.

3. New users always say, "I heard bad things about <insert name of SERM>." The fact is all SERMs are drugs and present the risk of negative sides, just like the anabolics that you used to necessitate the use of a SERM. I don't know what "bad things" you heard about Clomid compared to other SERMs, but it's probably horse****. I do know that there are people smarter than me who recommend using Clomid rather than Nolvadex when using 19-nor compounds like Trenavar, though the reasoning is too technical for my simple mind to explain. I definitely recommend against doing an OTC PCT.

4. Your use of quotation marks toward the end of your post (would nolvadex be okay "don't really want to take clomid heard some bad things about it") is odd and unnecessary, but that's a grammatical thing and has nothing to do with your proposed cycle.
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He's probably talking about turning into a emotional woman lol... just use torem, its better anyways
 
(He's probably talking about turning into a emotional woman lol... just use torem, its better anyways). Haha pretty much what I've heard, I have alot of buddies who have used it.

And yeah I did some research a while back and found out epi was a steriod bothered me at the time but not anymore just keep forgetting since the bottle says prohormones on it.


So pretty much I guess this bottle of estrastain is useless unless I up the dosage? The only thing that confuses me is it says so not exceed two pills a day on being 10 mg epi and 15 tren
 
So if I up the dose to 5 I would be running 50 epi and 75 tren isn't that a little high for epi? And low for tren? Most cycles I see with this stack guys are doing about 30-40 epi and 90 tren
 
AZlifting123 said:
So if I up the dose to 5 I would be running 50 epi and 75 tren isn't that a little high for epi? And low for tren? Most cycles I see with this stack guys are doing about 30-40 epi and 90 tren
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Some run epi at 90-100mg. My sweet spot is 40mg. 50+ make me lethargic as fuk. The companies usually alway recommend low dose for liability issues....

I haven't used an oral tren so I'm not sure on that. I have ran a epi/ trenazone stack with nice results
 
rphash49 said:
Some run epi at 90-100mg. My sweet spot is 40mg. 50+ make me lethargic as fuk. The companies usually alway recommend low dose for liability issues....

I haven't used an oral tren so I'm not sure on that. I have ran a epi/ trenazone stack with nice results
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Epi at 90? Wth. No way! 40-60mg is the range.
 
I've heard of some ******* saying he did like 100 or 120 on a cycle once... don't know if its true or not though. That seems like a ****ing lot
 
rphash49 said:
I didn't say I would do it lol but I've read 3 recent log of high dosed epi with very little sides and strong results. I'm happy at 40mg
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Lol I'd like some links here... not doubting you I'm just interested
 
Epi at a 90-100mg range will most likely cause severe liver trauma. The douche using those doses will turn as yellow as bart simpson.
 
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