ESTRADIOL LEVELS

[Alexxgee]

Alright so I know im going to get alot of **** for my age, but im really in need of some help. Im 21 years old and started my first cycle back in April, im in week 7 now running 500 MG test E with 40 MCG of t3. My main goal was to lean out and gain some size. I recent got blood work in and my Estradiol levels are high AF 228.9 to be exact. i got the results in 2 days ago and i have been running 25 MG of Aromasin every day since. Would that be enough to cover my ass since i have 5 more weeks left on cycle. Advise will be greatly appreciated. and also i will be getting bloodword done next Thursday to see what the aromasin did to my estro levels.

Also My libido is still awesome and my gym sessions have been OK ill admit they were better about 3 weeks in. Today My Arms and core workout was pretty good.

 

[Nac]

25mg will drop your e2 levels by...depends what study you read. But ultimately depends on you. Within a day you might see a drop somewhere in the order of 40-70%. Personally Id do bloods 2 weeks at the earliest into your exem dosing; 1 week is too soon, youll still likely be out of range. You want to get to a point where youre in range and not dropping e2 too much still.

Having said all that, as risky as what youre doing is, absolute levels are in some contexts not as important as test:e2 ratios.

 

[Alexxgee]

25mg will drop your e2 levels by...depends what study you read. But ultimately depends on you. Within a day you might see a drop somewhere in the order of 40-70%. Personally Id do bloods 2 weeks at the earliest into your exem dosing; 1 week is too soon, youll still likely be out of range. You want to get to a point where youre in range and not dropping e2 too much still.

Having said all that, as risky as what youre doing is, absolute levels are in some contexts not as important as test:e2 ratios.

Copy that, thank you. I will wait 2 weeks and then re do tests, and continue the 25 mg of aromasin. What would be a normal ratio of estro and test ?

 

[Nac]

Copy that, thank you. I will wait 2 weeks and then re do tests, and continue the 25 mg of aromasin. What would be a normal ratio of estro and test ?

Well its a bit trickier to answer that in your case cos your levels will be anything but normal due to all that exogenous test. But, hypothetically speaking, with an e2 of 230, a "normal" ratio would have your total test at around 7000ng/dl...on 500mg exo test youll be high, but probably not that high.

My initial point in bringing the ratio up was really that Im not totally surprised you are not experiencing any high-e2 symptoms...yet. And by the same token, I wouldnt be surprised if dropping your e2 levels itself resulted in potential sides. But, not saying you shouldnt be proactive.

 

[Alexxgee]

hmmmm interesting, well then again everyones body chemistry differs. I will continue to run the aromasin at 25 mg then see what the blood work is and see what the aromasin did to me... for future refrence because i do plan on running deca and dbol this winter and i know estrogen levels can get out of hand real quick with thoose 2 in the mix.... but if i do start to feel ****ty ill drop the aromasin dose to 12.5 and continue from there.

 

[Nac]

Fwiw, as a previous natty and now trt/cruising, my e2 "window of ideal" was/is significantly narrower than when Im on blast with supraphysiological test levels. On trt, my e2 has to be kept at mid-upper normal range. On blast, it can get up to 4x that amount before I see sides. To me, this illustrates how the t:e ratio is more important in maintaining certain bodily functions than any absolute value. That is, an imbalanced ratio is more indicative than just a high e2 value taken in isolation.

But, high e2 can have potentially unseen/asymptomatic negative effects. So its ultimately about striking some sort of balance.

 

[Alexxgee]

Yup, it does make more sense to find a "balance" in t:e ratio. Myself and anyone shouldn't expect to have a reading of 30 estrogen when their test levels are probably 3k and up. I will continue to experiment with my body in the safest manor and see what works for me the most. The body is a complicated thing and we still don't know everything about it

 

[mike33511]

Why weren't you taking an AI from the start? This is absolutely the worst possible way I can think of to control estrogen on a test cycle... Not taking an AI for 7 weeks until your E2 is off the charts and then taking a sh1tload of one just to get it back to normal. A better idea would have been to take a reasonable dose EOD or E3D from the start. But I suppose to know that, you would have had to do all that research that you didn't do.

 

[Alexxgee]

Why weren't you taking an AI from the start? This is absolutely the worst possible way I can think of to control estrogen on a test cycle... Not taking an AI for 7 weeks until your E2 is off the charts and then taking a sh1tload of one just to get it back to normal. A better idea would have been to take a reasonable dose EOD or E3D from the start. But I suppose to know that, you would have had to do all that research that you didn't do.

I did plenty of research on it, and what I saw in every thread I read and what I've heard from people with experience with aas, Was that with 500 mg test E. estrogen wasn't really much of a problem to them. Then again every persons body is different and reacts to everything different. I had aromasin from the start but I didn't think I needed to run it until I ran blood work. Trail and error is how people learn and I learned last week that my body's estro levels can get high on just 500 mg of test alone. At least I didn't suffer from crazy side affects .