Remember finish line too, I havent tried either product yet but each one has something i take ED

(not including Creatine, Betaine, LCLT)
Ergonine = Hica
Triumph = Alpha GPC
Finish Line = BA
Also Triumph has Rhodiola & PA. Thinking of combining Ergonine/Triumph, I understand it will push me over the Dosage but not sure it would do any harm.