Eq/test/winny shred stack
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Old Witch
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If it's pure t3 you should be talking micrograms, mcg. 50mcg Ed of research grade t3 would be good. If it's cytomel tablets, then 25mcg yes.
At 600mg EQ you're going to be hungry as all holy sh1t. Not fun for a shred. In fact, tren (since you've used that before) would be much, much better for a shred, EQ is good for a bulk or just as a general appetite stimulant.
Not sure you'll be able to tolerate winny that long either, it's pretty drying. Meaning you will have pretty bad aches after a couple of weeks. Think about maybe 4 weeks. Also, if you want, you can stack anavar with that Winstrol.
Shiznitzz
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Anavar would help with the aches from drying out so much, keep a little water at least I could see that. If I stacked var with winny for 6 weeks would that make it more bearable? Hear its pretty nasty on the joints.
T3 is cytomel tabs pharma grade from my source dosed at 25mg/tab.
If I'm that hungry from the eq I can just swap it for tren and run that for the rest of the cycle at 600mg
Thoughts on hcg? Thought it would be good to use while on cycle instead of pct to keep my nuts from going atrophic lol
Old Witch
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I would agree with all of his. Not sure how that would feel going from EQ to tren but it's definitely something that can be done.
Anavar increases collagen synthesis and can help rebuild joint tissues, even the supposedly unfixable cartilage that can wear down over time. EQ also does this, so both with Winstrol would be great to help mitigate joint issues that could arise.
There is also something to be said of appetite suppressants such as phentermine and amphetamine. IGF1 is useful in a cut as well for its GDA effects and inability to store glycogen as fat (unlike insulin)
Codybenz
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I think you should check your t3 tabs. It should not be mg. It should be mcg.
And 25mcg a day for an adult male is not enough for fatloss in my opinion. It will eventually suppress your thyroid from making its own, and will be normal levels in your body. Or maybe even lower than your normal. Should be 50-100 mcg a day for fatloss with most people in the 75 mcg a day range
And 25mcg a day for an adult male is not enough for fatloss in my opinion. It will eventually suppress your thyroid from making its own, and will be normal levels in your body. Or maybe even lower than your normal. Should be 50-100 mcg a day for fatloss with most people in the 75 mcg a day range
Old Witch
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Yes like I said t3 is dosed in mcg. The RC stuff is not as good as real cytomel. 25-50mcg cytomel being roughly twice as strong as RC grade .
Shiznitzz
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It's pharma t3 cytomel tabs, and youre right its dosed in mcg, I'll just take 3 a day to get the benefit. I get 100 tabs from my source so thatll be sufficient for a months supply, I'll just grab 300 tabs.
Im not a big fan of phentermine, makes me sick as fxck, maybe a lower dose will work and not kill my stomach
Im not a big fan of phentermine, makes me sick as fxck, maybe a lower dose will work and not kill my stomach
Shiznitzz
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Im tolerating it pretty well, I'm about 17% bf and mast works best at 13%. Tren makes me a dick and want to fxck everything in existence but its whatever.
I wanted to try bold for its effect on being able to be on an extreme caloric deficit and still be able to retain all muscle on a cut.
MarkoK87
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Good luck with that, on 600mg of EQ it will be hard to be in caloric deficit, but I know few guys who don t have any hunger issues on EQ.
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I have done a test, eq and winny cycle w awesome results. A couple things I would look at more of a recomp cycle than straight up cut.
Test e 300/week is fine. I ran my cycle and used Sustanon at 500/week. If your just cutting or recomping you can get away w 300 just fine but personally id up the test to at least 400. Eq isnt a huge powerhouse drug but more of a slow lean quality builder which occurs over time due to the long ester.
You have your winstrol layed out for 7 weeks actually (6-12) which is too long.
Winny and anavar have an awesome synergy meaning they harmonize well (winny is extremely dry and anavar creates fullness and promotes collagen synthesis. This is an example of how sides are counteracted and work well together making a better cycle.) Anavar could be run 8 weeks and I wouldnt go a day over 5 w winstrol.
Id lay it out like this personally.
1-16 test e @400/week.
1-14 Eq @600/week
(Or 16-18 depending on rationale which we can explore if youd like)
Anavar 9-16 @40-60mg/day
Winstrol 12-16 @30-50/day.
Imo opinion stacking the two orals youd see results w as little as 40 var and 30 winstrol but could go a little higher too. Personally id never run winstrol over 50mg and really dont understand reasoning of people who do. Huge diminishing return point w winny @50mg and 30mg/day is actually pretty effective.
Test e 300/week is fine. I ran my cycle and used Sustanon at 500/week. If your just cutting or recomping you can get away w 300 just fine but personally id up the test to at least 400. Eq isnt a huge powerhouse drug but more of a slow lean quality builder which occurs over time due to the long ester.
You have your winstrol layed out for 7 weeks actually (6-12) which is too long.
Winny and anavar have an awesome synergy meaning they harmonize well (winny is extremely dry and anavar creates fullness and promotes collagen synthesis. This is an example of how sides are counteracted and work well together making a better cycle.) Anavar could be run 8 weeks and I wouldnt go a day over 5 w winstrol.
Id lay it out like this personally.
1-16 test e @400/week.
1-14 Eq @600/week
(Or 16-18 depending on rationale which we can explore if youd like)
Anavar 9-16 @40-60mg/day
Winstrol 12-16 @30-50/day.
Imo opinion stacking the two orals youd see results w as little as 40 var and 30 winstrol but could go a little higher too. Personally id never run winstrol over 50mg and really dont understand reasoning of people who do. Huge diminishing return point w winny @50mg and 30mg/day is actually pretty effective.
UA Athletics
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Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Glockguy706
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Add t3 with clen! Go ahead you only live once you might as well die now. Just kidding i think you will be fine but I wouldnt give real advice as I have never ran t3 but have looked at it with clen and tren as a possible cycle.
Shiznitzz
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Im not touching tren again, just dropped off it after almost losing my family.
I'll add in t3 but no tren lol
SpicedCider
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Great post UA Athletics! Out of all the AAS you referenced, do you think one of them is better for someone with cartilage tears (e.g., rotator cuff/labrum)? I'm guessing EQ would be the best choice?
Old Witch
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I would think anavar, but you didn't ask me. I think anavar then EQ then Deca in that order of descending efficacy would be the ideal compounds, out of the known and well studied compounds.
Chados
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Mast is just many levels behind eq and tren when it comes to pretty much everything. Mast must be the weakest steroid I've ever used. I can appreciate masteron at high dosage which gives me a ton of pimples and I have to be stacking it.
Godstrength
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Man the blasphemy lol
Eq really does little more if any for physique for me personally. I like it and it's a good steroid. But I think mast is better. I get better strength gains on mast. Physique overall looks more polished. and just better. Both are great mild compounds that can add to physique and both stack well. Eq has more harsh sides (RBC, anxiety) but has better healing properties.
I'm running test and mast now low dose and loving it. I'm prob 12% bf right now and its really mild and I'm getting good strength off it. Next time I'll add in anavar which is also one of my favorites.
Oh and btw anavar gives me way worse acne than mast. Everyones different I guess lol
Chados
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Mast can give more definition to an already polished body and if its stacked it can add that little extra but taking both solo it shouldnt be even close, I believe you're in quite good shape too so I'm not surprised something like mast works for you but I wouldn't recommend it to many people personally because most people wouldn't notice much, especially in terms of weight gain and I'm amazed you noticed strength from it. What did you run mast at and what other compounds did you run with mast and eq? I have to go at least 600 but probably more like 800 to actually be happy with it. Winstrol, var etc I'm probably at half of that/week with better results. Yup we are very different, Im lucky if I get one pimple from var but masteron can really make my acne cystic.
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I noticed a bump in strength from 200 mg of Masteron. Right now I'm on about 200 mg of test 350-400 of Masteron. I was cruising with it at 200 and recently bumped the dose up. I do agree for most people running a cycle test and masteron probably isn't going to yield the best results and as far as just stacking two compounds test and EQ would probably be better. However milligram for milligram I'll take masteron all day over EQ. 400 mg of masteron is much better than 400 EQ in my opinion.
I've only run masteron a couple times the last being tren, test mast. I dont handle tren well. This time solo with test to really see how I like it.
The eq I've run a few times the most obvious for me being Sustanon EQ Winstrol. Test at 500 and EQ at 6 hundred which I bumped up to 8 after about 8 weeks. Throwing the Winstrol in at the end really added something special equipoise and Winstrol is a pretty common strength and leaning stack combined with test. I do like EQ okay I just think it comes with a but more sides. For me personally I'm more into low-dose cycles and seeing how I can just make my body look a little better and Polished.
But I think with Masteron you really have to be looking for something specific in order to see its effects really shine I do agree. Definitely not a huge mass Builder do notice some anabolic activity and nutrient partitioning and more vascularity as well as pulling in and tightening everything up.
Its also great at lowering Shbg and utilizing more free test and does have mild ai effects. The drug was actually developed for women w breast cancer.
Shiznitzz
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Im sitting at 17% ish body fat so masteron won't do a ton for me, I have to cut off about 5% before I'll see much of an effect from mast.
Mostly gotta dial in my diet to cut it down, I'll be doing a straight cut here in Jan and adding in the steroids in april.
I'll be carb cycling e3d 50g carbs 3 days then refeeds at 200g on the 4th day with 250g protein ed. Really looking to shred up for summer.
Mostly gotta dial in my diet to cut it down, I'll be doing a straight cut here in Jan and adding in the steroids in april.
I'll be carb cycling e3d 50g carbs 3 days then refeeds at 200g on the 4th day with 250g protein ed. Really looking to shred up for summer.
PoSiTiVeFLoW
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Man right there with you on this...
I had family intervention because of my Tren-tude. If I lost my EQ and Deca cause of that, what other choices are there for collagen synthesis?
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Anavar
Old Witch
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Why EQ though?
Shiznitzz
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Yeah **** wrecked me, should have listened to the big dudes on here but nah I'm a douchey mcdoucheface who likes to **** around with things and mess things up.
But its cool, I'm off and more level headed. Just finishing off my vial of test.
But is there honestly any reason not to take eq? It sounds like a great drug to shred on, aside from the hunger.
PoSiTiVeFLoW
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I mainly used EQ with TRT for the joint benefit..worked nicely.
But yeah without hijacking the thread my log details the dumb benzo withdrawal seizure. Spiral of events and THC and Benzos and gear (sadly family lumped all this together) into one big intervention. Long story.
Looking for alternatives to EQ, Deca for collagen production. Anything better than glucosamine and chrondroiton?
What's could I get a doc to write up? EQ is for the horses... Need to be human approved.
Old Witch
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I'm still trying to figure out why you can't use EQ. Some docs will still write you a script for Deca, if you're on trt with joint pain.
Old Witch
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Well, it was never approved for use in humans by any country in the world, ever. So there's at least one reason. I think for what they wanted out of a steroid EQ was just not good enough. If you ran it solo, you'd get no gains, probably not even lean out. Unless you ran a much higher dose than suggested for a horse. And even then most of its effects come from EPO and some mild collagen synthesis, nitrogen retention of course.
It's not like Deca or 1-T where the nuclear tissues of a muscle are turned on to hyperdrive. It's very lowly anabolic.
In a totally non scientific way, look at it like in order to get same results as 300 test 600 EQ but from EQ only you'd be looking at 1200mg EQ solo.
PoSiTiVeFLoW
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I could use still EQ... Family intervention forced me to Natty zone after I nearly left the Earth in July because i made a bad RC benzo error. They are not related, most of us know to look at each compound as a set of risks/benefits with use, individually... but they freaked, saw it all as one large drug problem.
Basically, they want it all doc monitored, so TRT script for test and maybe Deca / Anavar for the joints it seems.
PoSiTiVeFLoW
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Thanks!Anavar
Old Witch
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Ah it has become clearer now. Too bad dianabol isn't prescribed anymore. You ought to check out Titan Medical's trt services. They're pretty... Generous.