Epistane, Trest, Super-11
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habajaba
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Anything that makes your body have to work to equalize the temperature is good for burning fat. Drinking really cold water is another one. I mean it's all really negligible differences at that point, but it's something.
Br1ck_Sh1thouse
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Not that you asked but I figured I'd throw my current experience out there. I'm currently hitting 2 pumps of DT a day and 3 caps tr3st as a pwo. FYI DON'T take the tr3st within 4 hrs of sleeping, you WILL NOT sleep! When I first got it, it was a weekend and I figured I'd spread it out over the day, took the last dose at 5pm and tried to go to bed at 9pm like normal, no f.... N way! I was up till 1am.
mmorso
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That's good to know! So are you dosing 1 full pump (50mg) twice daily, or do you mean 1/2 pump x2, like the bottle recommends? I was planning on dosing dtrest at 6 am and 6 pm... thanks for the heads up
sespress
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You know I've heard a bunch about how much this stuff will keep you up. I wonder how I'm gonna do this with my 13 hour work shifts. I work 7am-8pm, which gives me enough time to get home and go to bed. Done, no more time or I miss sleep, and I don't want to do that or it'll screw with the gains. If I dose AM in the three days I work would that be OK? Or should I maybe take a few oral Trest with me to work to make up for that? I dunno how bad having the levels pulse around in the blood would be
mmorso
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NewAgeMayan would take his TDs at work... he'd go into the bathroom with trest in a Tupperware container, latex gloves, and hand sanitizer... lmao
Do it man your coworkers will see your dedication!!!
Btw OL reps... where is NAM?
sespress
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Yeah I dunno about the Tupperware bathroom bit. Maybe I can get by dosing it at 7am and about 830 when I get home, take one oral at lunch.
I work in a secure building, I don't even have a desk perse that's mine just a locker to use. Security is kinda tight so that might be strange lol.
I work in a secure building, I don't even have a desk perse that's mine just a locker to use. Security is kinda tight so that might be strange lol.
mmorso
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Just tell security not to worry, you're only using steroids
sespress
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Haha that might work with at least one of them but the rest are douches. But seriously it's not like I'm going into the bathroom with a syringe and spoon.
juselliott
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Any follow ups on this? Subbed for info.
sespress
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Follow up on, ... Which topic? This has kind of bounced around. I'm guessing your not asking about me taking Tupperware and gloves into work lol.
juselliott
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Seemed like the date from start until now was about 6 weeks and if i remember correctly you were going to run for 6 weeks? or did i totally miss something i read so much today...haha
mmorso
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Well I though about adding it to my test/trest cycle initially to help control e..
Then I started thinking of adding mast prop to my epi trest run.. idk if I'd be too dry or what...
My boy also had some mast prop he's gonna give me a great deal on
sespress
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So it helps put out estrogen a bit? Interesting. Works be good with test or Trest then. But if you've already got an AI aren't you gonna drop e to 0?
sespress
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OK
I have reached the weight loss goal of getting down to 240. I was at about 270 before I started posting here. Diet and Exercise played the largest part, but a brief run of 4-Andro and Epi-Andro (8 weeks) helped me build some muscle up, and accelerated the fat loss I experienced during the next few months. That's the catchup on this.
Over the last 5 weeks or so I've been running some Peptides. My interest in MK677 (which I still think is the bee's knee's) led me into researching other
products like CJC W/ DAC, GHRP-2, and FRAG, which I have been running through this last 5 weeks. Two weeks ago I added in some Epi-Andro (@500 PWO).
This week I started the main stack as I advertised
Epistane = 30mg x day
Trest Oral = 50mg x 2 x day (once PWO, once in the AM)
DermaTrest = 1 pump AM, 1 pump PM (the half pump that was suggested on the bottle).
Continuing Epi-Andro @ 500 PWO only.
Exemestane = 12.5mg eod, I have Prami on hand in case of Prolactin issues.
So far this is the BEST feel good stack I've ever run, I ran Epistane in the past, and Helladrol, but never Trest. I think being it's the first week the feeling I'm getting right now is mostly from the Trestalone. Which btw I now know why everyone loves the stuff, it's great.
Workout's have been going good, I was out for a week from a strained muscle in my neck (traps) which made it hard to even put on a shirt. That passed (and I feel like my stack & Peptides healed it up fast) and I've been hitting the gym extra hard since.
Current Weight = 250 (there is some water weight retention from teh Pep's)
I'm going to switch out some of the Pep's near the halfway mark = get rid of the CJC W/o DAC + GHRP2 that I've been running, subbing in PEG-MGF (on rest days bilatterally in the muscle groups that are recovering), and IGF DES. Once the stack is over after 6 weeks I'll drop the IGF and MGF and go back to a single CJC W DAC 10mg/week + (maybe MK677) to help hold onto those gains, I'll run that straight through PCT and then for another two weeks.
PCT will be 25Nolva + 25Clomid + tapering dose of Exemestane.
Now that this has actually started I'll start posting updates to it again regularly.
Cheers!
I have reached the weight loss goal of getting down to 240. I was at about 270 before I started posting here. Diet and Exercise played the largest part, but a brief run of 4-Andro and Epi-Andro (8 weeks) helped me build some muscle up, and accelerated the fat loss I experienced during the next few months. That's the catchup on this.
Over the last 5 weeks or so I've been running some Peptides. My interest in MK677 (which I still think is the bee's knee's) led me into researching other
products like CJC W/ DAC, GHRP-2, and FRAG, which I have been running through this last 5 weeks. Two weeks ago I added in some Epi-Andro (@500 PWO).
This week I started the main stack as I advertised
Epistane = 30mg x day
Trest Oral = 50mg x 2 x day (once PWO, once in the AM)
DermaTrest = 1 pump AM, 1 pump PM (the half pump that was suggested on the bottle).
Continuing Epi-Andro @ 500 PWO only.
Exemestane = 12.5mg eod, I have Prami on hand in case of Prolactin issues.
So far this is the BEST feel good stack I've ever run, I ran Epistane in the past, and Helladrol, but never Trest. I think being it's the first week the feeling I'm getting right now is mostly from the Trestalone. Which btw I now know why everyone loves the stuff, it's great.
Workout's have been going good, I was out for a week from a strained muscle in my neck (traps) which made it hard to even put on a shirt. That passed (and I feel like my stack & Peptides healed it up fast) and I've been hitting the gym extra hard since.
Current Weight = 250 (there is some water weight retention from teh Pep's)
I'm going to switch out some of the Pep's near the halfway mark = get rid of the CJC W/o DAC + GHRP2 that I've been running, subbing in PEG-MGF (on rest days bilatterally in the muscle groups that are recovering), and IGF DES. Once the stack is over after 6 weeks I'll drop the IGF and MGF and go back to a single CJC W DAC 10mg/week + (maybe MK677) to help hold onto those gains, I'll run that straight through PCT and then for another two weeks.
PCT will be 25Nolva + 25Clomid + tapering dose of Exemestane.
Now that this has actually started I'll start posting updates to it again regularly.
Cheers!
sespress
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I forgot to mention I'm continuing with the Super-11 as directed as well, and I'm getting some Cortisol blood work done since the Pep's might be boosting that as well as the stack I'm on,. If so I'll drop Super-7 into the mix as well. But I'll wait to see the numbers first.
Anyone have suggestions for me?
Anyone have suggestions for me?
sespress
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Let me take you through the transform here. It's more noticeable when it's you looking in the mirror, the photo's never really seem to do it justice, which is why I'm including one of the pant size difference. Note in the first photo''s those track pants were TIGHT. Now I've got to TIGHTEN them or they fall right off my a$$! I've gone from a 42W to a 38W, while the weight difference isn't as large I've gone from (at the beginning) 30%+ Body Fat to 24% now.
Picture 1/2 this is me about two weeks after this thread started:
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Picture 3 this is me two weeks AGO:
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Arm definition is coming along well, still have that excess belly fat.
Picture 4, this is the other day when I weighed in at 240.
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the pants don't really fit anymore!
I'll post intra bloods at some point, and also more progress information and pictures near halfway through this cycle and then after it's over / in PCT with weight measurements. Basically though I know that everyone has promoted diet and exercise above all, and that is exactly what should be suggested. I may be a one-off or just a shortcut user who has lost crazy weight and gained strength I believe largely in part to the supplements and drugs I'm taking. I remind myself that I was exercising for about a year and could not make progress. I believe all this crap I'm loading into my body put me over the "hump" of being able to actually recomp at all and started that train down the hill on the other side. It's only gotten easier to eat right now that my weight is down I don't feel Hypo as often or at all, so I may be able to try fasted cardio / training soon as well.
I've also come to the realization that my house is a cluttered disaster and I need to straighten up more. It's hysterical that the sneakers, washcloth, and other bathroom accoutrements don't ever move, lol. Why I keep that pair of sneakers near the shower stall instead of on the rack is beyond me. Some kind of alien intervention in my mind (most likely) lol.
Picture 1/2 this is me about two weeks after this thread started:
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Picture 3 this is me two weeks AGO:
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Arm definition is coming along well, still have that excess belly fat.
Picture 4, this is the other day when I weighed in at 240.
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the pants don't really fit anymore!
I'll post intra bloods at some point, and also more progress information and pictures near halfway through this cycle and then after it's over / in PCT with weight measurements. Basically though I know that everyone has promoted diet and exercise above all, and that is exactly what should be suggested. I may be a one-off or just a shortcut user who has lost crazy weight and gained strength I believe largely in part to the supplements and drugs I'm taking. I remind myself that I was exercising for about a year and could not make progress. I believe all this crap I'm loading into my body put me over the "hump" of being able to actually recomp at all and started that train down the hill on the other side. It's only gotten easier to eat right now that my weight is down I don't feel Hypo as often or at all, so I may be able to try fasted cardio / training soon as well.
I've also come to the realization that my house is a cluttered disaster and I need to straighten up more. It's hysterical that the sneakers, washcloth, and other bathroom accoutrements don't ever move, lol. Why I keep that pair of sneakers near the shower stall instead of on the rack is beyond me. Some kind of alien intervention in my mind (most likely) lol.
sespress
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OK this stuff rules. I'm a big fan. It's too early for the epistane to really be effecting energy or labido but the Tr3st is amazing.
I've settled on a higher dose (inevitable from what I read I was already low on the dose).
Dermatrest 1 pump 2x a day.
AM oral Trest x1 caps
PWO Tr3st at 2 caps + 500 Epi-Andro. 45 minutes before the gym. Only able to hit the gym 3x a week so on off days there's just one 12pm Tr3st cap.
If you've not seen the Peptides thread I began that is still in effect.
Frag 2x a day PWO in the belly fat (ouch).
CJC W DAC 10mg/ week.
PEG mgf after workouts in the muscle groups billaterally (only 3x per week and once on the day dosed).
The Peptides make this whole thing a wet experience. Bloat is terrible and so I just picked up some potassium supplements to help (hopes).
Strength increase is definitely there but it's early to say how dramatic it might be overall. Endurance increases as well. I have lost more weight and trained more since my last run so that could be subjective.
I haven't had any estrogen sides but I am like just waiting I know they'll get me if my planned dose of exemestane is insufficient. 12.5eod.
I've settled on a higher dose (inevitable from what I read I was already low on the dose).
Dermatrest 1 pump 2x a day.
AM oral Trest x1 caps
PWO Tr3st at 2 caps + 500 Epi-Andro. 45 minutes before the gym. Only able to hit the gym 3x a week so on off days there's just one 12pm Tr3st cap.
If you've not seen the Peptides thread I began that is still in effect.
Frag 2x a day PWO in the belly fat (ouch).
CJC W DAC 10mg/ week.
PEG mgf after workouts in the muscle groups billaterally (only 3x per week and once on the day dosed).
The Peptides make this whole thing a wet experience. Bloat is terrible and so I just picked up some potassium supplements to help (hopes).
Strength increase is definitely there but it's early to say how dramatic it might be overall. Endurance increases as well. I have lost more weight and trained more since my last run so that could be subjective.
I haven't had any estrogen sides but I am like just waiting I know they'll get me if my planned dose of exemestane is insufficient. 12.5eod.
sespress
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Hey! Shake your Sup3r-11 well! Nearing the end of my first one and suddenly it feels like sandpaper! Lots of crystals. Now I'm also close to the end of a Dermatrest and I'll confirm the pumps are wack. I think my first week my dose changed a bunch now I'm using an oral syringe to finish it up. I may add it to another one who has what seems to be an accurate pump each time. But I'm not sure I want to trust any of it!
The_Old_Guy
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Cgkone
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That would be because of the dac and peg.
Those additions to the proteins make more of a bleed affect.
Men have GH pulses women's bleed.
Get rid of the peg mgf and just do mgf.
Inject it right into the muscles while they are maximum pump. I can't do this at my gym so I just do bicep and tricecp at home.
I do 100 reps of just the bar (45lbs) curls and tricep extensions. I do that until I'm as pumped as I ever have been. Each time I get better at achieving a pump. Then with in 5 seconds of putting the weight down I got the needle in my arm.
That's the only way it works peg is bull****. IMO
I put on major size in my arm. Over 1/2 inch in 6 months.
I'm also on cjc 1295. Empty stomach 2-4 times a day. Definetely post work.
I've just got up to 5g a week. And wow.
If you were shooting 10g a week of no dac at the right time you would be shredding not bloating.
You may need prami.
Also cardio before cjc is prime. Even 20min walk
mmorso
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Cgkone why the cardio before cjc? Interested...
Also sespress what's your trest dose at? With the trest and all the Peptides it's prob hard to tell what's going on
Give us some updates man... how's weight and waist measurements? Where's your deadlift, squat and bench at? Any PR's? Noodz? The hell man
Also sespress what's your trest dose at? With the trest and all the Peptides it's prob hard to tell what's going on
Give us some updates man... how's weight and waist measurements? Where's your deadlift, squat and bench at? Any PR's? Noodz? The hell man
Cgkone
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It burns calories......the less carbs you have in your body at the time of injection the better those peptides work.
This last week I've upped it to 5g of cjc/ ghrp2 and as soon as I get up , after workout, and after physical activity like sex or a walk or yard work is the only time I inject. And it's like magic.
I'm also goo g on my 12th week so that makes a difference
Cgkone
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Sounds like this is alot of trest.....I wouldn't be surprised if the epistane can't shine through all that e2.
I would take a dose of exem. Sounds like he hasn't even tried his AI.....Trest converts like.......RIGHT NOW.
So he needs to take some AI. He's already kind of heavy and running all that trest but blaming the peptides for bloat is............well foolish.
sespress
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Yeah I'm catching up from this AM. Sorry for a short and crappy log. Very busy with work.
sespress
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Was already on exemestane man from the get go. 12.5eod. I'm not that underinformed. I'm honestly convinced that my boat is CJC or Peptides related.
Like I said two days of switching to letro 1.5mg and almost a week of no CJC, my bloat started to subside. But it started before the cycle with the peps, it did get worse but no other "e" sides with the cycle. Like I said I'm honestly not convinced it was all e2.
So the Trest is down to 1/2 pump am and PM. The epistane is up to 45 (3* 15mg). I don't think I'd feel the epistane so far anyways isn't like weeks 3+ the spot for it?
Studhorse
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ya were the noodz?
Cgkone
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Well that's good you got it under control.
I hate for you to give up on the peps. But they are alot more work than AAS.
Next time your in the mood try cjc with NO dac. 500mcg 3x a day am . after workout . before bed. Empty stomach.
Stacked with ghrp it's really quite amazing.
Cgkone
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Very well may have been prolactin. I have to take prami with peps .
People say you don't.......but I do
sespress
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Weight update is meaningless right now. Putting on ~10lbs in two weeks (prior to cycle again) without changing diet and only taking Peptides). My current weight was 266 this AM. It's down before this whole thing, then skyrocketed with peps and now it's coming back down. I was like 245-248 before the sudden increase. I am not worried after adjusting things I've been peeing a LOT today and I think it's going to come off fast from whatever it was causing it to jump up. I feel less bloated today. Per my other posts I did change doses of things. I expect a week and my weight will actually be a function of my actual mass and not water.
K some lifting updates from memory since I suck at keeping track. I'm usually more put together but I've been pumping 65+ hours a week of work so... Yeah I'm tired. Also I do a lot of sets with reductions in weight per set because this seems to treat my back and shoulder better. Reinjury has been a continuous issue for me.
Arm curl - easy bar seated - 120*4, 100*6, 75*12. Maybe 5-10lbs up from last few sets this month.
Row seated - 150lbs * 8, 140*10, 130*12.
Lower back raise with 20lb medicine ball ~ 30 reps overall.
Lat pulldown....Uhhh. crap brain farts!
Dumbbells curl - standing - 40*4, 35*6, 30*8.
Dumbbells hammer... Also brain farts. I have this in my log at home.
Standing straight bar curl - 85*6. Here I'd probably been running low on steam normally but I'm moving strong still.
I did something else then 10 minutes of a jog.
I quit at this point because my shoulder was really killing me. I often have to be very careful of it from the accident and subsequent injury. Just bouncing on the treadmill was hurting. Still a good 1:15 minutes.
I did legs the day later. Always have had good strength here so these numbers are normal.
Seated leg press - ~463 (the sled is a strange wight like 103) * 4
553 * 6.
578 * 8.
Squats - light bc the back still getting used to carrying weight on it. 135* 10. I'm gonna keep adding to this as time goes on and I've heard that a front squat might be a good idea if you've had back issues... Which I have so trying that next time.
Leg raise - seated - 100*6, 120*6 (waiting for other equipment).
Lunges with a 35 dumbbells in each hand, up the gym and back once. About a basketball court in length.
Chest in two days when I get off shift. Excited! I do more with cables as it accommodates my shoulder better. Will post that stuff too. Will also need to get measurements that I wrote down for arms legs etc...
I am getting this feeling that my muscle can handle more weight but my joints can't. If my knee or shoulder give out it's all at once and I drop whatever I had in hand. Pain isn't always a part of this. I ran into this the other day doing my curls when my left arm just up and quit. Shoulder goes out. I will probably have to go back to the doc about this as the last time we met I had yet to get back into the gym and so wasn't putting any weight on it.
K some lifting updates from memory since I suck at keeping track. I'm usually more put together but I've been pumping 65+ hours a week of work so... Yeah I'm tired. Also I do a lot of sets with reductions in weight per set because this seems to treat my back and shoulder better. Reinjury has been a continuous issue for me.
Arm curl - easy bar seated - 120*4, 100*6, 75*12. Maybe 5-10lbs up from last few sets this month.
Row seated - 150lbs * 8, 140*10, 130*12.
Lower back raise with 20lb medicine ball ~ 30 reps overall.
Lat pulldown....Uhhh. crap brain farts!
Dumbbells curl - standing - 40*4, 35*6, 30*8.
Dumbbells hammer... Also brain farts. I have this in my log at home.
Standing straight bar curl - 85*6. Here I'd probably been running low on steam normally but I'm moving strong still.
I did something else then 10 minutes of a jog.
I quit at this point because my shoulder was really killing me. I often have to be very careful of it from the accident and subsequent injury. Just bouncing on the treadmill was hurting. Still a good 1:15 minutes.
I did legs the day later. Always have had good strength here so these numbers are normal.
Seated leg press - ~463 (the sled is a strange wight like 103) * 4
553 * 6.
578 * 8.
Squats - light bc the back still getting used to carrying weight on it. 135* 10. I'm gonna keep adding to this as time goes on and I've heard that a front squat might be a good idea if you've had back issues... Which I have so trying that next time.
Leg raise - seated - 100*6, 120*6 (waiting for other equipment).
Lunges with a 35 dumbbells in each hand, up the gym and back once. About a basketball court in length.
Chest in two days when I get off shift. Excited! I do more with cables as it accommodates my shoulder better. Will post that stuff too. Will also need to get measurements that I wrote down for arms legs etc...
I am getting this feeling that my muscle can handle more weight but my joints can't. If my knee or shoulder give out it's all at once and I drop whatever I had in hand. Pain isn't always a part of this. I ran into this the other day doing my curls when my left arm just up and quit. Shoulder goes out. I will probably have to go back to the doc about this as the last time we met I had yet to get back into the gym and so wasn't putting any weight on it.
sespress
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I will keep that in mind and I will want to continue the MGF but have a few vials of the peg mgf left. Of all the Peptides I think I like the concept behind it the best, and dsip if you've not tried it is amazing. Great sleep. The peg mgf I think I've felt increased recovery speed from it.
sespress
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Hey man big isn't always bad. After my accident I got heavy fast from the damn steroids of the healing variety thru gave me in the hospital and for months after. But when I was lean I was still big. This weight will come off eventually and I'll still have broad shoulders and a frame that supports more muscle than my friends can ever have. So.... Advantage / Disadvantage. And no offense taken I know I am fat. Precisely so down to % lol so there's no point in getting pissed about it. Just working on it.
sespress
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Have prami also on hands. Very prepared for this. What would I hand felt? I had no nipple pain, tenderness, the bloat was all belly and legs, chest a bit but I mean one would normally wait for prolactin sides before going to prami right? Or you just throw it in because you know you're going to run into that issue?
Cgkone
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Prolactin sides would be estro feeling but uncontrollable by AI.......like bloat untouched by exem.
For me libido loss is first.
Since your on so much Trest I doubt you would have noticed.
Bloat ,nipple sensitivity etc.. ..estro sides that can't be controlled by AI.
Prami is the bomb.
BUT It's no joke. Slow steady increase. First dose. Should be way way light
sespress
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I'm gonna hold off and see if the dose decrease or swapping to letro does the trick first. How long should I wait before trying something else for this bloat? Another week?
Cgkone
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Exactly.
Some people have to run a 12 week cycle just to get over 200lb
Cgkone
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So you've been off peptides for how long?
Cgkone
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Also....If you are using letro sides should be down almost instantly.
For instance I take exem I feel relieve in 2hrs. Nolva a little more subtle but still pretty quick.
I know there is tons of trest products out there.
Very very strong drug. It's powerful as heck.
I use reaper labs oral MENT as pre workout. 20mg ( keep in mind MENT is stronger than trest) but on those days I take exem and Nolva because the estro sides with that MENT just seem to stick.
My point is well trest is a tricky strong drug
Cgkone
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So prolactin sides are hard to distinguish from estro.....one sure fire way is the don't go away with AI