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Epistane and dianalone on a AAS test

James214

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I'm new to the site and could use some help.

Will something like "Spawn" that converts into dianalone and epistane show up on a steroid test?

I'm new to prohormones and want to make sure I'm not taking anything that could show up.

I'm on probation for a DWI and they don't test for steroids in the first place, but would rather be safe then sorry.

If epistane and dianalone do show up on a steroid test, are there any pro-hormones out there that won't?

If anyone could help me out, it would be greatly appreciated.
 
nosnmiveins said:
they all show up. why on earth would they test for steroids if u got a DWI? steroid testing is expensive
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I know the chances of them testing are slim to none.

But my buddy is on probation for a DWI and he bulked up so much that his P.O. tested him.

I though there were ones out there that convert into hormones that an AAS test doesn't test for.

I contacted Aegis Labs and they sent me a list of everything they test for. The only thing I saw that sounded familiar was epitestosterone.

I'm just trying to educate myself better
 
yes, it will show up. why the heck wouldn't it? i mean it converts in the body to a steroid. ITS NOT ILLEGAL!!!!!! only the real deal is, and the banned PH list, and you can't buy those anyways.
 
James214 said:
I know that, but from my understanding they can't tell whether you've been taking a pro-hormone or real juice.

So you get violated either way.
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BS. if they test you for it, you go in with your bottle of "spawn" and slap it on the counter, and tell them to test one pill. done. any more is an improper arrest and a violation of your rights.

n addition, i would believe it would be impossible to find a dienelone inject, so there's really no case.
 
suncloud said:
BS. if they test you for it, you go in with your bottle of "spawn" and slap it on the counter, and tell them to test one pill. done. any more is an improper arrest and a violation of your rights.

n addition, i would believe it would be impossible to find a dienelone inject, so there's really no case.
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I'm just telling you what happened to my buddy.

He was taking Maganadrol, they tested him and (obviously) it showed up as Windstrol.

He brought them the bottle, but because they couldn't differentiate between whether he was taking Maganadrol or windstrol-it violated his probation.
 
James214 said:
He brought them the bottle, but because they couldn't differentiate between whether he was taking Maganadrol or windstrol-it violated his probation.
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if they can't prove it, there's no crime. especially if he can provide a legal alternative. sounds like a clear cut case of needing a lawyer...

this is my last post on this. dienelone is a tren derivative. your body cannot insert the double bond to make it trenbolone. hence, it becomes dienelone. dienelone is not available as an inject, or as oral - only oral tren. therefore, there's nothing else it COULD be confused with. again, if they can't prove you committed a crime, yet charge you with one anyways, contact a lawyer. that's how the game works.

if you're going to loose sleep over this, wait till probation is over before you cycle.
 
suncloud said:
if they can't prove it, there's no crime. especially if he can provide a legal alternative. sounds like a clear cut case of needing a lawyer...

this is my last post on this. dienelone is a tren derivative. your body cannot insert the double bond to make it trenbolone. hence, it becomes dienelone. dienelone is not available as an inject, or as oral - only oral tren. therefore, there's nothing else it COULD be confused with. again, if they can't prove you committed a crime, yet charge you with one anyways, contact a lawyer. that's how the game works.

if you're going to loose sleep over this, wait till probation is over before you cycle.
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um suncloud you are dead wrong my freind...sorry but your legal advice is off....first off the drug test you will get for steroids is gonna test for the commonly used steroids such as winnstrol...dbol...deca...masternon..etc...
they will not test for epistaine or dienalone and depending on the state you live in an epi test/test ratio being off is not enough to get you into trouble...in texas where i live they have to actually find the compound in your bloodstream no matter what your epi ratio is....

now on the other hand, if you are taking a pro hormone that converts in any way to an illegal subtance you are ****ed...things like superdrol will show up as masternon and im not sure whether prostanzanol(magnadrol) will actually show up as winny or not...but if it does then you can plunk your prohormone bottle on their desk all you want...it does not matter...you have an illegal substance in your body...it doesnt matter how it got there, its there...thats all that matters...no grey area...no mulligans..do not cross go...go straight to jail.
 
James214 said:
I'm just telling you what happened to my buddy.

He was taking Maganadrol, they tested him and (obviously) it showed up as Windstrol.

He brought them the bottle, but because they couldn't differentiate between whether he was taking Maganadrol or windstrol-it violated his probation.
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this scenario is correct...thats exactly how it would happen
 
^Thanks a lot for the info.

One last question...approximately how long will a cycle stay in your system?
 
mooch2321 said:
they will not test for epistaine or dienalone and depending on the state you live in an epi test/test ratio being off is not enough to get you into trouble...in texas where i live they have to actually find the compound in your bloodstream no matter what your epi ratio is....
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One more...What's the difference between testing for epitestosterone level and actually testing for epistane.

The lab I contacted (Aegis) sent me a list of everything they test for. Epitestosterone was one of them, but epistane (Epitiostanol) was not.
 
mooch2321 said:
um suncloud you are dead wrong my freind...sorry but your legal advice is off....first off the drug test you will get for steroids is gonna test for the commonly used steroids such as winnstrol...dbol...deca...masternon..etc...
they will not test for epistaine or dienalone and depending on the state you live in an epi test/test ratio being off is not enough to get you into trouble...in texas where i live they have to actually find the compound in your bloodstream no matter what your epi ratio is....
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brotha, if the test will show up positive for dienelone so what? its not available in inject - only in tren prohormones which are 100% legal. what would you be charged with? possession of a 50 state legal substance? tren was on the ban list summer 08, which never got passed. there's nothing to be charged with. unless YOUR state, has a statute in place for prohormones, there's no case.


mooch2321 said:
now on the other hand, if you are taking a pro hormone that converts in any way to an illegal subtance you are ****ed...things like superdrol will show up as masternon and im not sure whether prostanzanol(magnadrol) will actually show up as winny or not...but if it does then you can plunk your prohormone bottle on their desk all you want...it does not matter...you have an illegal substance in your body...it doesnt matter how it got there, its there...thats all that matters...no grey area...no mulligans..do not cross go...go straight to jail.
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if it doesn't matter how it got there, then all prohormones would be illegal, and raws would not be available for sale to companies FOR SALE within the united states. the government banned the CONVERTED compound (actual steroid), not the injested one - that's how prohormones are still for sale. see oxycontin and heroin as an example - similar compound, same roots, one legal, one not. i thought the whole reason for taking prohormones was to take the legal approach???

James214 said:
I'm just telling you what happened to my buddy.

He was taking Maganadrol, they tested him and (obviously) it showed up as Windstrol.

He brought them the bottle, but because they couldn't differentiate between whether he was taking Maganadrol or windstrol-it violated his probation.
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last time i checked, you had to be found guilty of a crime in order to be convicted of it. this is clearly a case of reasonable doubt. if a lawyer lost this case, they should be disbarred. no way you could convince a jury to send someone to jail for taking a 50 state legal pill.

the moment you have a banned prohormone in you, that's an entirely different ballgame. or a state statute the police can fall back on.

i would guess your friend has a whole lot more going on than a DWI. even a bodybuilder could prove the difference in court from a steroid and a prohormone just from his failing liver values....
 
suncloud said:
brotha, if the test will show up positive for dienelone so what? its not available in inject - only in tren prohormones which are 100% legal. what would you be charged with? possession of a 50 state legal substance? tren was on the ban list summer 08, which never got passed. there's nothing to be charged with. unless YOUR state, has a statute in place for prohormones, there's no case.




if it doesn't matter how it got there, then all prohormones would be illegal, and raws would not be available for sale to companies FOR SALE within the united states. the government banned the CONVERTED compound (actual steroid), not the injested one - that's how prohormones are still for sale. see oxycontin and heroin as an example - similar compound, same roots, one legal, one not. i thought the whole reason for taking prohormones was to take the legal approach???



last time i checked, you had to be found guilty of a crime in order to be convicted of it. this is clearly a case of reasonable doubt. if a lawyer lost this case, they should be disbarred. no way you could convince a jury to send someone to jail for taking a 50 state legal pill.

the moment you have a banned prohormone in you, that's an entirely different ballgame. or a state statute the police can fall back on.

i would guess your friend has a whole lot more going on than a DWI. even a bodybuilder could prove the difference in court from a steroid and a prohormone just from his failing liver values....
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okay...at first i was trying to be nice...but you obviously have no clue what your talking about and cant read as well...i told him he would be okay running epi and dienalone....
i then stated that prohormones which convert to an ilegal steroid will land him in jail...if the metabolites of an illegal steroid are in your blood while on probation(remember you have already been found guilty of the crime...normal due process does not take place here) you will go to jail...you can not prove how the substance got in your blood...trust me they will not take your word for it...if you get caught with alcohol in your system and swear its from your cold medication will they take your word for it...NO they wont...their is no gray area on probation. but you are correct about the epi and dienalone products they are legal so you should be fine running those.
 
James214 said:
One more...What's the difference between testing for epitestosterone level and actually testing for epistane.

The lab I contacted (Aegis) sent me a list of everything they test for. Epitestosterone was one of them, but epistane (Epitiostanol) was not.
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epi testosterone is an inert hormone that should parrallel your test levels...the first red flag on steroid tests in when your test levels are higher than your epi test levels...epi test is not related to the compound epistaine...i think thats what you were asking right?
 
mooch2321 said:
okay...at first i was trying to be nice...but you obviously have no clue what your talking about and cant read as well...i told him he would be okay running epi and dienalone....
i then stated that prohormones which convert to an ilegal steroid will land him in jail...if the metabolites of an illegal steroid are in your blood while on probation(remember you have already been found guilty of the crime...normal due process does not take place here) you will go to jail...you can not prove how the substance got in your blood...trust me they will not take your word for it...if you get caught with alcohol in your system and swear its from your cold medication will they take your word for it...NO they wont...their is no gray area on probation. but you are correct about the epi and dienalone products they are legal so you should be fine running those.
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wow. you're so happy!

i know two lawyers who HAVE gotten people off for this. that's my point. i don't really understand why you've taken the road of hurling insults, nor i guess does it matter. /out.
 
suncloud said:
wow. you're so happy!

i know two lawyers who HAVE gotten people off for this. that's my point. i don't really understand why you've taken the road of hurling insults, nor i guess does it matter. /out.
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im not hurling insults...you are giving people legal advice that could potentially land them in jail...i know you are a respected member of this forum and i usually enjoy reading your posts...but you are ill informed on this issue and you are potentially leading the op down a path that could land him in jail. i apologize for the tone i took but this is serious stuff we are talking about here...do you know any background on the cases you are talking about? because that would set a legal precedent for a lot of other people? do you have names, dates, states, any info would be appreciated.
 
also, my g/f is an opioid abuser, has been arrested for FORGING a prescription, yet she can still legally get more of the same meds. probation to me means you have to do everything right, and so long as you can prove where anything came from, there's really no case to persue. i'll check with the local police, who i'm on fairly good terms with to clarify the issue. will post with further information tomorrow :)
 
suncloud said:
also, my g/f is an opioid abuser, has been arrested for FORGING a prescription, yet she can still legally get more of the same meds. probation to me means you have to do everything right, and so long as you can prove where anything came from, there's really no case to persue. i'll check with the local police, who i'm on fairly good terms with to clarify the issue. will post with further information tomorrow :)
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on probation, unless you have a prescription then you have no way of proving where anything came from...people used to get in trouble for taking ephedra products because they would show up as methamphetamines...if i take superdrol and have some metabolites show up as masternon how do they know whether i was injecting masternon or took superdrol? they will not take your word for it...trust me...look i am talking from personal experience...a very close freind of mine is going through this right now...
 
mooch and OP. don't think i've forgotten about you guys. on wednesday i started feeling my energy levels crash, and saturday got diagnosed with walking pneumonia. as soon as i feel able to TALK for more than 30 seconds, i'll ask my friends in the force, as well as a PO about how this all works.

will update ASAP - probably on friday i hope :)
 
mooch2321 said:
on probation, unless you have a prescription then you have no way of proving where anything came from...people used to get in trouble for taking ephedra products because they would show up as methamphetamines...if i take superdrol and have some metabolites show up as masternon how do they know whether i was injecting masternon or took superdrol? they will not take your word for it...trust me...look i am talking from personal experience...a very close freind of mine is going through this right now...
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my gut tells me, although you no longer have the "benefit of the doubt" you just have to PROVE what you are taking - such as when they test, ask for a liver enzyme test as well, to document YOUR SIDE. if the PO refuses, get that refusal in writing, then go to your doc and get a test done. so long as you can prove that masternon doesn't kill your enzyme levels, or blood lipids, and SD does, there's no case, since you're on OTC legal stuff.

will get opinions from the police, probation, and a lawyer, as to how this all hashes out, so all three sides are plugged for info.
 
I'm in law school and we studied this last semester.

It differs in each state but generally there is a 'no-excuse' rule under each category of crime and probation supervision. For example, if you commit a gun-crime and are found hanging out with people who have/carry guns, then the court will find no-excuse.

So in your case of Driving While Influenced, any sort of illegal substance that shows up in your blood will most likely be held against you. If they didn't hold this strict standard, then technicalities would allow people to constantly jump through loop-holes.

Wait out your probation in my opinion. In the meantime, you could take some natural test boosters or something.
 
you talking consortion with crimnals law man. any form of consortion or standing next to a crimnal if you have priors (a record) is a crime in my state you can be breached. specific tendency would be the argument to judge from the prosicutor were that you both had the simillar priors. and if you were coey's on parole next to each other would piss the judge off more. any way im on parole and im holding out on the roids the condions in new south wales (state) if they belive your using anysubstance they can roll you. so having large epitestosterone with out the specific drug known or tested for it will at least send me on a christmas holiday to the remand centre my state sucks on a breach your sat on for 3 months before you se a judge to even contest the breach. james214 please sharewith us what happendto your friend and this post is leading some were i would like to know more about PH simillar legal sups how they convert in the body if they will register as illigal roids and how Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry will trace them in urinayisis
 
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