Epistane advice.

[rocketboy]

Alright here we go...

I'll make this short and to the point. Took TEST E (500 mg/10 weeks) @ 18 years old. Late post cycle with torem/clomid 6 weeks past due, did not recover 100 percent. Results: lower libido, lower sex drive, small case of gyno.

Please take a look at these blood results. Cycle ended 4/02/07.

5/25/07
Total test; 2.90 ng/ML Ref. range [2.80-8.00]
Estradiol; 17 pg/ML Ref. range [14-60]
LH; 8.7 Ref. range [1.7-8.6]
FSH; 2.7 Ref. range [1.5-12.4]


6/25/07
Total test; 7.5 ng/ML
Estradiol; 47 pg/ML
LH; 13.5
FSH; 3.8

As you can see my test is up but so is my estradiol. That estradiol is way too high. Im guessing SHBG is through the roof with my estradiol that high. I was contemplating whether to go back ON cycle with a fast acting injection or oral to further surpress my HPTA and hit it hard with a post cycle therapy to bring my levels back to normal OR run a low dose AI E3D to reduce estrodial accompanied with ActiveTe to kill SHBG, resulting in an increase of free testosterone without HPTA shutdown. This is what I have to work with: Epistane, toremifene, clomid, nolva, ActiveTe, and Arimdex.

EPI: standard 30 mg/ 30 days straight. (start 10mg/day 1 taper up to 30mg) Dose intervals 8 hours apart.

Post Cycle:

Week 1- torm- 120mgs
clomid- 150mgs

Week 2- torm- 90mgs
clomid- 100mgs

Week 3- torm- 60
clomid- 100

Week 4- torm 30
clomid 50

Week 5- arimidex/anastrazole .25mg ED

Week 6- anastrazole .25mg E3d

Other supplements:
Perfect cycle
ActiveTe Extreme
Multi-V
6-0X0

Suggestions?

 

[getswole]

If your looking for some "Out of the Box" advice,I'm defenitelly the one to give it.Obviously everyone will agre your were too yound to be cycling without consequences,which you are now dealing with and will be for long to come,if your already having hairloss issues,your Obviously gonna go bald herediterily anyways,even on aas you shouldn't be balding of test E at 18...So you will be bald one day,that being said,take precautions now,finasteride is a good start,honestly that is stuf you CAN talk with your doc about and should...hairloss aside,some will say you screwed this/that up...take this/that...personally you already took the plung,theres 2 ways you can go about this now....first off ,did you even make any gains?And keep them?I'm assuming not..Personally I don't see how 500mg TestE screwed you up so bad...I am guessing you are gonna be sensitive to aas...so you have to decide,are you gonna take a step back from gear and stay away from it for 4-5 yrs...or are you gonna continue to take gear...My advice is stop everything,drop it all...right now...your body will rebound on its own..continue to work hard and concentrate on eating a ton,get your diet lined up and work on perfecting your workout routine...Like I said that is my 'advice'...the only thing you should have even messed with was anavar as it does not screw with the growth plates...but even that is advised against,plus an oral only cycle is a waste,and rough on liver...your gonna screw yourself up even worse messing with all these serms and stuff...Cold turkey and let your body do its thing,and don't touch anymore gear til' your 22...

Now on the other hand...against my advice,I know a guy that is 19 and has been on for a couple years and is getting huge,already competing,he knows he's screwing hisself up but he doesn't care...he is big,but is trained under an IFBB pro...so you have to make the choice...personally if you do cycle again,use hcg 250iu 2x week during your cycle and then hcg/clomid after if nolv is messing with your vision...and don't cycle 10 wks...shorten it to 6-8 since your having trouble and run a shorter ester test,like prop.....Good luck,maybe you found some insight in my words somewhere...hope I could help.

 

[rocketboy]

If your looking for some "Out of the Box" advice,I'm defenitelly the one to give it.Obviously everyone will agre your were too yound to be cycling without consequences,which you are now dealing with and will be for long to come,if your already having hairloss issues,your Obviously gonna go bald herediterily anyways,even on anabolic steroids you shouldn't be balding of test E at 18...So you will be bald one day,that being said,take precautions now,finasteride is a good start,honestly that is stuf you CAN talk with your doc about and should...hairloss aside,some will say you screwed this/that up...take this/that...personally you already took the plung,theres 2 ways you can go about this now....first off ,did you even make any gains?And keep them?I'm assuming not..Personally I don't see how 500mg TestE screwed you up so bad...I am guessing you are gonna be sensitive to anabolic steroids...so you have to decide,are you gonna take a step back from gear and stay away from it for 4-5 yrs...or are you gonna continue to take gear...My advice is stop everything,drop it all...right now...your body will rebound on its own..continue to work hard and concentrate on eating a ton,get your diet lined up and work on perfecting your workout routine...Like I said that is my 'advice'...the only thing you should have even messed with was anavar as it does not screw with the growth plates...but even that is advised against,plus an oral only cycle is a waste,and rough on liver...your gonna screw yourself up even worse messing with all these serms and stuff...Cold turkey and let your body do its thing,and don't touch anymore gear til' your 22...

Now on the other hand...against my advice,I know a guy that is 19 and has been on for a couple years and is getting huge,already competing,he knows he's screwing hisself up but he doesn't care...he is big,but is trained under an IFBB pro...so you have to make the choice...personally if you do cycle again,use hcg 250iu 2x week during your cycle and then hcg/clomid after if nolv is messing with your vision...and don't cycle 10 wks...shorten it to 6-8 since your having trouble and run a shorter ester test,like prop.....Good luck,maybe you found some insight in my words somewhere...hope I could help.

I did take the plunge into AAS and, I admit, it did hit me full in the face. At the time I did not realize what I was getting myself into, and like many of the you, I did have to learn the hard way. Upon cessation of the testosterone I do find myself being prone to many of the negative side effects associated with them, but I'll keep a posi attitude and with the help of Him, and experienced users with advice like yours, I'll have enough self respect to make justifiable decisions with the best intentions in mind.. let me just say, I've grown up, literally. I did make plenty of gains while on cycle, about 22 pounds.. kept about 8 of those. I blew up and shrunk down, really kills your ego... And i'm hesitent to even try fina, i'm already on top of the whole hairloss issue. Like you said, i'm just one of those people that are extra sensitive to anabolics in general. Fact of the matter is, it is what it is.

So i'll take your advice homles.. there are plenty of other alternatives other than surpressing your HPTA that will aid in recovery.. I guess i'll take a lil flared nips over really fcuking my endocrine system up which is whats bound to happen. I'll give it a gear rest, train hard, get my diet in check, and i'll be back. I just did my homework a little to late.. My questions now are what about surpressing estro a bit, increasing some test, getting things back to normal.. a product like 60X0 and some ActiveTe could benefit possibly benefit my situation right now. Maybe Aspire36. Laugh all you want, but i'm willing to bet a fraction of you have been where i'm at right now.

 

[getswole]

I really would just drop everything,no supplements until next summer...let the body do its thing,it will repair itself fairly quick unless you keep it wondering whats going on with different supplements,Good luck,Oh yeah,check out my cycle,I'm starting this weekend...you'll like it Invalid Link Removed