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Epidrol Cycle.. starting in 2 days

rothyman

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First of all, I'm 21. I've never used a PH in my life, been clean as a whistle. I've been educating myself around the forums (just signed up for this one) for 3 or 4 years now. I'm 5'8 175lbs. I've recently just switched to a 5x5 routine to increase my major lifts (so far so good:)

Goals - To gain lean mass and vascularity, preferably no bloat. A reachable goal I would think would be 6 - 8lbs

Diet - Just above maintenance, all clean proteins (chicken, fish) and not too many carbs.

Epidrol (Epistane/Havoc)
Week 1 – 20mg (10mg first day)
Week 2 – 20 mg
Week 3 – 30mg
Week 4 – 30/40mg depending on side-effects

Support Supps
Cycle Support (1 week pre-load and during cycle)
Fish Oil 3g/day
Taurine 2-3g/day
Multi
Sesamin 1g/day

PCT
Toremifene
First 4 Days – 120mg
Week 2 – 90mg
Week 3 – 60mg
Week 4 – 30mg (If needed)

SNS Reduce XT
Week 1 – 3 Caps
Week 2 – 3 Caps
Week 3 – 3 Caps
Week 4 – 3 Caps

NO Product
Creatine
Xtend
Cycle Support

Conclusion
I'm a bit nervous on my first PH, but I'm looking very forward to it. After years of making natural gains in the gym I'm ready to see what I can potentially do with a little help. What I'm most nervous about is my liver. I'm not sure exactly how bad methlys screw with your liver longterm. I know it makes it work harder short-term, but I worry about the longterm effects. If anyone can link me to some studies I'd appreciate it.

Other than that, throw me some critiques if you see anything

thx
 
I think your cycle looks ( layout wise ) beautiful, very well done. I think you have laid out the basics ( though get some more knowledgeable opinions ) very nicely and your planning shows. I would recommend the following on every cycle ( depending on how much tests cost vs how much you like being truly healthy ),

1. Bloodwork - Full Bloodwork panel / thyroid panel

2. Good support supps - you have

3. Monitor your body closely and talk to others that have done these cycles.

Don't worry at all but be concerned enough to take good safety precautions.

Anyone know how a methyl cycle compared to getting drunk on the weekends would compare lipid / liver damage wise?

Much love,

<3 Neoborn <3
 
Even though it's your first cycle, i'd still run it 20/30/30/30(40). Just my opinion. It looks like you've got everything under control safety-wise and wouldn't be much more detrimental to your health. Well...who knows...up to you.
 
Thanks for the replies. I was planning to run 40 if everything was fine come week 4.

Also, I found another company that offers an epistane clone with cissus. BCS offers a product called CynergE.

Is quality control such a big issue that I should just go with epistane?
 
there really hasnt been enough feed back on othe new clones so until then i'd play it safe with havoc or epistane. I ran methyl e from est at 20/20/30/30 along with propadrol and didnt get anything, but people said i wasnt eating enough protein and i shouldve dosed it higher. ultimately it's up to you, but i'd play it safe with the proven products.
 
Make note that Havoc was released primarily, then Epistane etc etc

I bought Epistane just because of the wider base of users / positive feedback ( I'm sure Havoc is fine so calm down ladies ). I am sure Epistane and Havoc work equally well.

Much Love,

Neoborn

P.S I am receiving some Epidrol so am gonna test this.....then Epistane
 
Thanks again

Just ordered epistane, as I figure I should take something reputable on my first cycle.

Also, I'm throwing in 200mg/DHEA (higher power) a day. redvision who posted his logs on BB forums (maybe these too) got good results with that cycle.
 
Noice, don't forget to get the bloodwork done if you can, it's helpful for everyone, especially YOU! :D. I look forward to seeing / following your log on this.

Good job.

<3 Neoborn <3
 
Day 3
Starting Weight : 173lbs
Current Weight : 173lbs

Worked legs yesterday, didn't log it since it was a hectic day, but I will be logging my workout today.

10mg @ 11am
10mg @ 5pm
100mg DHEA @ 11am

After 3 days I'm not really feeling anything except for a little tightness in my back that was hardly even noticable. I'm going to see how I feel in the gym today.

I'm also thinking about ramping up to 30mg/day and just running that till week 4 in which I'll bump to 40mg. Any opinions?
 
rothyman said:
Day 3
Starting Weight : 173lbs
Current Weight : 173lbs

Worked legs yesterday, didn't log it since it was a hectic day, but I will be logging my workout today.

10mg @ 11am
10mg @ 5pm
100mg DHEA @ 11am

After 3 days I'm not really feeling anything except for a little tightness in my back that was hardly even noticable. I'm going to see how I feel in the gym today.

I'm also thinking about ramping up to 30mg/day and just running that till week 4 in which I'll bump to 40mg. Any opinions?
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I think your okay leaving it at 20 for the first week. Since its your first cycle no need to rush things. I would also think its okay to finish with 40mg your last week.
 
First off - i believe you are to ramp up epi in the first few days. Taking 20 mgs for the first two weeks then 30 the following week of your cycle may not be a good replacement for it. I would suggest getting to your 30 sooner and then decide, depending on sides if you will stay at 30 or try 40. Also - i am a firm believer in epistane. havoc is entire different in my opinion and i had bad sides with it, where as EPI was totally a clean and good product. i see the chem makeup of the drol is close but not exactly the same as epistane. if you didn't purchase this yet - you may want to reconsider switching to epistane (my opinion).

i don't see an ai in your pct. i would search the threads about hitting the sarm hard and going low in the ai's and test booster an increasing as you decrease the sarm.
 
rothyman said:
Thanks again

Just ordered epistane, as I figure I should take something reputable on my first cycle.

Also, I'm throwing in 200mg/DHEA (higher power) a day. redvision who posted his logs on BB forums (maybe these too) got good results with that cycle.
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aha - this is good. sorry i resopnded to soon to the orignial posting and not reading more of the thread - EPI rocks. go with the original!
 
rothyman said:
Day 3
Starting Weight : 173lbs
Current Weight : 173lbs

Worked legs yesterday, didn't log it since it was a hectic day, but I will be logging my workout today.

10mg @ 11am
10mg @ 5pm
100mg DHEA @ 11am

After 3 days I'm not really feeling anything except for a little tightness in my back that was hardly even noticable. I'm going to see how I feel in the gym today.

I'm also thinking about ramping up to 30mg/day and just running that till week 4 in which I'll bump to 40mg. Any opinions?
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yes - read ibe's website - you need to rev this up in the first few days. i would ramp up to 30.
 
AnonyMoose said:
First off - i believe you are to ramp up epi in the first few days. Taking 20 mgs for the first two weeks then 30 the following week of your cycle may not be a good replacement for it. I would suggest getting to your 30 sooner and then decide, depending on sides if you will stay at 30 or try 40. Also - i am a firm believer in epistane. havoc is entire different in my opinion and i had bad sides with it, where as EPI was totally a clean and good product. i see the chem makeup of the drol is close but not exactly the same as epistane. if you didn't purchase this yet - you may want to reconsider switching to epistane (my opinion).

i don't see an ai in your post cycle therapy. i would search the threads about hitting the sarm hard and going low in the ai's and test booster an increasing as you decrease the sarm.
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epidrol ingredients different from epistane? based on what? I have been told they are the same.
 
pistonpump said:
epidrol ingredients different from epistane? based on what? I have been told they are the same.
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well i don't know the source of what you been told and it might likely be. but the same was said about havoc before the chemical analysis was performed on the two products. i am basing my comments on looking at the ingredients of the bottle - if epidrol's chemical makeup is the same albeit their structure and how they annotate it which is different from ibe's - that may very well be true then.

personally - after having bad experiences with havoc - i would only stay with epi in the future.

:bb3:
 
AnonyMoose said:
well i don't know the source of what you been told and it might likely be. but the same was said about havoc before the chemical analysis was performed on the two products. i am basing my comments on looking at the ingredients of the bottle - if epidrol's chemical makeup is the same albeit their structure and how they annotate it which is different from ibe's - that may very well be true then.

personally - after having bad experiences with havoc - i would only stay with epi in the future.

:bb3:
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you are purely unbiased right? I always thought the nomenclature on the bottles of epidrol and stane were the same....guess i never really "looked looked". Gonna do that now.
 
pistonpump said:
you are purely unbiased right? I always thought the nomenclature on the bottles of epidrol and stane were the same....guess i never really "looked looked". Gonna do that now.
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they are different - i had a past thread on that. it was explainted that chemically they were the same but each company nomenclated it differently in the structure.
 
AnonyMoose said:
they are different - i had a past thread on that. it was explainted that chemically they were the same but each company nomenclated it differently in the structure.
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yeah i saw that. "same" thing just named differently... I looked at alot of the epi products too. Hemaguno states it the same as IBE.
 
pistonpump said:
yeah i saw that. "same" thing just named differently... I looked at alot of the epi products too. Hemaguno states it the same as IBE.
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80 percent is. the remaining 20 is a beta analogue of the alpha - or the other way around. it is not understood how this reacts in the body.
 
matthew76 said:
moose - could you clarify what bad experiences you occured while taking epi?

thanks
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i had no bad experiences with epi. i did suffer the expected side effects from havoc. but everyone is different. if you follow dsade's log on havoc, apparently he had minimal to no sides on the product.
 
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