Epiandrosterone vs Androsterone

QuinoaSucks

QuinoaSucks

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Sorry if this is a stupid question, but why is there only epiandrosterone products out?

Androsterone looks stronger, more effective, and is apparently an allosteric modulator of GABAA receptors which sounds like a godsend for those with anxiety issues on cycle.

Is it more expensive to source?

I must be missing something because the 3a isomer looks like a much better compound.
 
Both are still available.... several companies have 1-Andro products (Androsterone)
 
I'm not entirely sure about the more effective part, but it would appear Epiandro has a better conversion rate vs. 1-AD, and Epiandro seems to be less likely supressive. 1-AD usually requires a full PCT, whereas unless you're taking very heavy doses of Epiandro you may not, I repeat MAY NOT, need a PCT. I'm not saying you won't, but it's less likely you will need to on Epiandro. Just my $.02

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mountainman33 said:
I'm not entirely sure about the more effective part, but it would appear Epiandro has a better conversion rate vs. 1-AD, and Epiandro seems to be less likely supressive. 1-AD usually requires a full PCT, whereas unless you're taking very heavy doses of Epiandro you may not, I repeat MAY NOT, need a PCT. I'm not saying you won't, but it's less likely you will need to on Epiandro. Just my $.02

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I'm pretty sure he means androsterone (converts to DHT), not 1-androsterone (converts to 1-testosterone)...
 
GreenMachineX said:
I'm pretty sure he means androsterone (converts to DHT), not 1-androsterone (converts to 1-testosterone)...
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So just be clear, are we talking about?

3b-hydroxy-androstane-3b-ol-one

and

1-androstene 3b-ol, 17-one

Or something different?
 
mountainman33 said:
So just be clear, are we talking about?

3b-hydroxy-androstane-3b-ol-one

and

1-androstene 3b-ol, 17-one

Or something different?
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3a-hydroxy-5a-androstan-17-one
vs.
3b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-17-one

Both of which convert to DHT so I'm not sure what the difference plays out to be other than what the OP said in the beginning, which is why I'm interested.
 
GreenMachineX said:
3a-hydroxy-5a-androstan-17-one
vs.
3b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-17-one

Both of which convert to DHT so I'm not sure what the difference plays out to be other than what the OP said in the beginning, which is why I'm interested.
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Yeah, these are the two i was talking about GreenMachineX. Same steroid, but two different isomers with different effects.

I don't remember where, but I thought I read that epiandrosterone was the weaker steroid. I don't know if that means it has a lower conversion rate to DHT than androsterone or if it is weaker in the effects it exerts before conversion.

I'm not good with chemistry so I don't claim to know what I'm talking about, but I do know that different isomers of the same chemical can make a huge difference in effects...

Look at recreational methamphetamine vs the levomethamphetamine you can find in inhalers. They're both methamphetamine, but one is a drug of abuse due to its euphoric effects while the other will simply unclog your nose and has no recreational value

Edit: just to clarify, I am not talking about 1-dhea which is misrepresented as "1-Andro" on prohormone labels, I'm talking about Androsterone, the 3b isomer of which is epiandrosterone

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QuinoaSucks said:
Yeah, these are the two i was talking about GreenMachineX. Same steroid, but two different isomers with different effects.

I don't remember where, but I thought I read that epiandrosterone was the weaker steroid. I don't know if that means it has a lower conversion rate to DHT than androsterone or if it is weaker in the effects it exerts before conversion.

I'm not good with chemistry so I don't claim to know what I'm talking about, but I do know that different isomers of the same chemical can make a huge difference in effects...

Look at recreational methamphetamine vs the levomethamphetamine you can find in inhalers. They're both methamphetamine, but one is a drug of abuse due to its euphoric effects while the other will simply unclog your nose and has no recreational value

Edit: just to clarify, I am not talking about 1-dhea which is misrepresented as "1-Andro" on prohormone labels, I'm talking about Androsterone, the 3b isomer of which is epiandrosterone

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Thats interesting. if Epi Andro is the weaker of the 2 compounds, I wonder why most Androsterone (Stano) products are
usually dosed higher per pill...I wouldve thought it was the other way around.

For Example:

Epi Andro
IML Epi Andro Rx: 50mg per pill
LG Epi Andro: 25mg per serving

Stano
LGI Stano: 200mg per serving
Elite Stano: 150mg per serving
 
QuinoaSucks said:
Yeah, these are the two i was talking about GreenMachineX. Same steroid, but two different isomers with different effects.

I don't remember where, but I thought I read that epiandrosterone was the weaker steroid. I don't know if that means it has a lower conversion rate to DHT than androsterone or if it is weaker in the effects it exerts before conversion.

I'm not good with chemistry so I don't claim to know what I'm talking about, but I do know that different isomers of the same chemical can make a huge difference in effects...

Look at recreational methamphetamine vs the levomethamphetamine you can find in inhalers. They're both methamphetamine, but one is a drug of abuse due to its euphoric effects while the other will simply unclog your nose and has no recreational value

Edit: just to clarify, I am not talking about 1-dhea which is misrepresented as "1-Andro" on prohormone labels, I'm talking about Androsterone, the 3b isomer of which is epiandrosterone

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Gotcha. Well, there's at least one product that has both isomers, so maybe that's the way to go. I have a bottle of topical epiandro coming in a few days which I plan to run first, then plan on finishing the cycle with the oral with both isomers.
 
vujade said:
Thats interesting. if Epi Andro is the weaker of the 2 compounds, I wonder why most Androsterone (Stano) products are
usually dosed higher per pill...I wouldve thought it was the other way around.

For Example:

Epi Andro
IML Epi Andro Rx: 50mg per pill
LG Epi Andro: 25mg per serving

Stano
LGI Stano: 200mg per serving
Elite Stano: 150mg per serving
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Looks like LGI Stano and Elite Stano are the 3b-isomer as well (epiandrosterone), IML and LG Epi Andro just seem underdosed.

LGI Stano : 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one 200mg
Elite Stano: 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one 150MG

I don't know, maybe epiandrosterone is just cheaper to produce. Was just wondering why I couldn't find any products with regular androsterone in them.
 
Dude you have no idea what youre talking about. Before you give advice do some damn research. Stonodrol and 1 andro are two differnt chemicals. 1 andro is a prohormon to 1 test, which its acually dihydroboldenone. Androsteron is differnt than adrostene. Regular andro suppliments you see are not metabolites of dht, but are precursors to test and anouther anabolics. You could really screew people up giving bad advice
 
Joerob1111 said:
Dude you have no idea what youre talking about. Before you give advice do some damn research. Stonodrol and 1 andro are two differnt chemicals. 1 andro is a prohormon to 1 test, which its acually dihydroboldenone. Androsteron is differnt than adrostene. Regular andro suppliments you see are not metabolites of dht, but are precursors to test and anouther anabolics. You could really screew people up giving bad advice
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You should learn to heed your own advice and stop giving it. And **** man, learn how to spell. Jesus.

Who the **** are you even replying to? Did you just learn about the internet last week during study hall?
 
And that wraps up this week’s episode of “Another new guy resurrects a three year old thread with flawed info”
 
Joerob1111 said:
Dude you have no idea what youre talking about. Before you give advice do some damn research. Stonodrol and 1 andro are two differnt chemicals. 1 andro is a prohormon to 1 test, which its acually dihydroboldenone. Androsteron is differnt than adrostene. Regular andro suppliments you see are not metabolites of dht, but are precursors to test and anouther anabolics. You could really screew people up giving bad advice
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Dude, it's almost a 4 year old thread...
 
Way to tell that guy off!!
You know the guy.... The one from 4 years ago.

#Timetravelersrevenge
 
So, bets on how long before he posts a thread asking us how much tren to use on his first pin cycle...?
 
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