Epiandro plus Androsterone?

thegodfather

thegodfather

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Hey guys, would it be beneficial to run these two together or is it redundant to do so?? I've never actually run just androsterone so i'm thinking about trying Alpha Seven alongside some Stano-Plex. I'm on TRT so shutdown is irrelevant, for the most part.
 
Of course musclegelz sell a product that contains both called Androhard and Iconic Formulations have just brought one out also
 
absolutely, there is some great synergy there between the two! Also, Androsterone balances out some of the anxiety that high doses of epiandro can give me.
 
How's the odor after you apply it on. If it's anything like Supernova then I'll have to pass. I can't smell funky all day long.
 
How's the odor after you apply it on. If it's anything like Supernova then I'll have to pass. I can't smell funky all day long.
 
These topicals are basically odorless
 
Using Androsterone and Epiandro together is the only way I like to use them. Wether it be oral and/or transdermal.
 
Vitruvian Man said:
Im assuming these 2 together would be particularly unfavorable for the hair line?
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Maybe- I already buzz my head due to MPB which started very early so obviously its not a concern or issue for me. You may find this interesting though from Mike Arnold..

By viewing androsterone as the sum total of all its metabolites in the conversion chain, rather than a singular hormone with a limited scope of action, we are better able to comprehend its overall character and potential physiological effects. Even a steroid like testosterone, although rarely viewed as a prohormone by those who administer AAS for purposes of performance enhancement, must be evaluated in the same way, as its predisposition for conversion to DHT and estrogen enables it to have a much broader range of effects in the body than testosterone alone. While this is generally understood and accounted for by the majority of testosterone users, the same can’t be said for compounds marketed specifically as prohormones, despite the fact that they frequently display activity at all points in the conversion chain.

Furthermore, androsterone’s role as a neurosteroid and pheromone has not been fully elucidated, leaving us with only a partial understanding of its effects on both the host and those who come in contact with it via pheromone transmission. Muddying up the waters a little more is the fact that it can convert back and forth between DHT and androsterone, making it impossible to determine with any accuracy its conversion rate to DHT, or any intermediary metabolite for that matter. This lack of a pre-determined endpoint is not necessarily a good or bad thing, but it does make it difficult to tell exactly how much of its beneficial effects are attributable to each hormone. None the less, androsterone has been shown to provide DHT-like effects, so instead of focusing on what we don’t know, let’s look at what we do know.

As a 5a-reduced metabolite, neither androsterone, nor any of its metabolites are capable of converting to estrogen, making the use of an aromatase inhibitor wholly unnecessary and even counterproductive (at least while on-cycle). Overall, side effects appear to be pretty mild. Without the ability to aromatize and being unable to bind to the estrogen receptor, estrogenic side effects are non-existent. In terms of androgenic sides, they are also relatively mild, especially in comparison to more potent androgens like trenbolone or testosterone. Obviously, DHT itself is a potent androgen, so any elevation in DHT levels will increase the likelihood of experiencing androgenic side effects such as acne, hair loss, etc. However, anecdotal reports reveal that this isn’t an issue for the majority of users, despite the presence of DHT-like effects on the user’s musculature, strength levels, and mental state. A likely explanation for this disparity is that androsterone derives a substantial portion of its effects from both the parent compound and intermediary metabolites, rather than DHT alone.


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delsolrob said:
absolutely, there is some great synergy there between the two! Also, Androsterone balances out some of the anxiety that high doses of epiandro can give me.
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As someone who already has some anxiety issues, would epiandro be something you'd recommend at all? Are either good for a lean bulk or are they mainly for strength and mindset?
 
They can be beneficial, particularly in the energy and aggression for training. If your goal is lean bulking, I would likely recommend Icon One - you could add in some ultra hard at a more mild dose to add a little edge as the cycle goes on. I've heard a few guys really enjoyed adding Ultra Hard around the 3rd week of a 8 week Icon One run....keep energy and libido rocking. at a lower dose you shouldn't have to worry too much about the anxiety
 
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Done both and have to say the best I've hard is what I am running now. Ultra Hard & Icon One. Killer stack, I recoped like a MFer and got cut af. On my last week right now, wish I could run this stack all year lol
 
delsolrob said:
They can be beneficial, particularly in the energy and aggression for training. If your goal is lean bulking, I would likely recommend Icon One - you could add in some ultra hard at a more mild dose to add a little edge as the cycle goes on. I've heard a few guys really enjoyed adding Ultra Hard around the 3rd week of a 8 week Icon One run....keep energy and libido rocking. at a lower dose you shouldn't have to worry too much about the anxiety
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Exactly what I did. Just keep the UH at 3 pumps if you bring it in on week 3. Start of week 4 might be best.

I was WAY too amped when I began UH for the first week, it settled, but I was honestly questioning if I could handle a full 5 weeks like that ha. Nonetheless, it subsided in a week and I felt a little/mild amount of that 'on edge' feeling later in the run but nothing like week 3.
 
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