Epiandro + androsterone cycle

[G3nghisKhan]

I’m thinking about trying these and have a few questions.

- Can you gain muscle while eating in a deficit on this stack? Nothing major but would it be good for recomping?

- Are there any particularly good supps to add to this cycle?

- Would using sustain alpha as a staple on and off cycle be a good or bad idea?

- Has anyone tried BLR rebirth? Would that + a natty test booster be enough for the PCT?

- Would cycling 2 months on, 2 months PCT be good or should I spend some time off both anabolics and test boosters in between cycles?

 

[SSJ4GOD]

First, what are your stats? (Age weight etc)

second have you taken any prohormones before or things like that?

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

I’m thinking about trying these and have a few questions.

- Can you gain muscle while eating in a deficit on this stack? Nothing major but would it be good for recomping?

tech yes you can but im one to say "WHY" lol

- Are there any particularly good supps to add to this cycle?

since not a solo cycle yes i would suggest something like cel cycle assist throught & pct

- Would using sustain alpha as a staple on and off cycle be a good or bad idea?

imo doesnt hurt to do so .. or plain xpg dhea topical will have you feeling good and make PCT easier

- Has anyone tried BLR rebirth? Would that + a natty test booster be enough for the PCT?

I havent tried it but yes .. rebirth + something like mtest .. ive done and recommended cel test + sns anabolic XT amazing feedback .. also can take anabolic XT throughout the cycle as well

- Would cycling 2 months on, 2 months PCT be good or should I spend some time off both anabolics and test boosters in between cycles?

Thats a good plan ..no def jump right into your planned PCT right after cycle, anything other then epiandro i like to keep a serm on hand.

 

[Dustin07]

I’m thinking about trying these and have a few questions.

- Can you gain muscle while eating in a deficit on this stack? Nothing major but would it be good for recomping?

- Are there any particularly good supps to add to this cycle?

- Would using sustain alpha as a staple on and off cycle be a good or bad idea?

- Has anyone tried BLR rebirth? Would that + a natty test booster be enough for the PCT?

- Would cycling 2 months on, 2 months PCT be good or should I spend some time off both anabolics and test boosters in between cycles?

sounds like you are exploring Iconic since you are describing Ultra Hard, and of course Sustain Alpha.
I liked Sustain Alpha the first time I used it. I had less results the second time and third time and it was leaving my legs super itchy.

Ultra Hard I really enjoyed and gave me a great mood boost, but while on it I noticed pretty substantial hair shedding, itchy nipples and a little puffiness. I believe that was from how I reacted to andro. I've since then replaced Sustain Alpha with Alpha Gel, and I replaced Ultra Hard with the epiandrolean from Muscle Addition, as well as the epi gel from XPG gels. (all the epi, none of the andro)

That said, of all these things I played with in 2023 my favorite stack that yielded the most results was:

anabolic xt
anabolic effect
phosphatidic acid xt
+alpha gel.

- Would cycling 2 months on, 2 months PCT be good or should I spend some time off both anabolics and test boosters in between cycles?

I normally ran epi 2 months at a time, and alpha gel can be run basically year round.

 

[G3nghisKhan]

5’8, 28, ~72kg ~180lbs

never tried PH or AAS before

@SSJ4GOD

 

[G3nghisKhan]

@GQdaLEGEND

- why wouldn’t you use it for recomping?

- would you take xpg dhea throughout or just on/off cycle?

 

[G3nghisKhan]

Quoting isn’t working for some reason…

 

[Dustin07]

- would you take xpg dhea throughout or just on/off cycle?

I'm on it now, I ran it during my xpg epi and I'm running it now with anabolic effect. I'll run it until it runs out and then decide when I'm off it if I want to bring it back in.

 

[Dustin07]

- why wouldn’t you use it for recomping?

no reason why you couldn't, I just happened to have my best progress this year with the other stack I listed off. and my only side effects I had this year came from dermacrine, ultra hard, and to a lesser extent the sustain alpha since it started irritating the legs a bit. (itchy)

 

[G3nghisKhan]

@Dustin07
Which company’s the alpha gel stuff you mentioned from?

 

[Dustin07]

@Dustin07
Which company’s the alpha gel stuff you mentioned from?

XPG makes alpha gel, epiandro gel, and a dhea gel. all these products are from @sns8778
the other stack I listed are also his products.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

@GQdaLEGEND

- why wouldn’t you use it for recomping?

- would you take xpg dhea throughout or just on/off cycle?

i know alot who stay on dhea through yearly
xpg is excellent bc you can control your dosages as its solo ingrident.

when i run stuff i always go as i feel unles i have plan something liek "anabolic XT" stay year around goes well with cycle and pct etc

 

[sns8778]

I had just replied to these questions in a different thread, so I'm copying and pasting my answer into this one too.

I'm not a fan of androsterone, so I'm not going to comment on that part.

Yes, I feel that a person can gain muscle while being in a deficit. A lot of people experience great benefits doing recomp type diets like that. And yes, Epiandro could be a great benefit in a recomp cycle, especially stacked with something like Recomp20.

A lot of people will use Epiandrosterone products like Stano-Plex or EpiAndro300 or Epiandro Lean during part of a larger cycle of products like Anabolic XT or Anabolic Effect. For example, if you're doing a 16 week cycle of Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect, its common for people to use Epiandro the first 8 weeks of that cycle.

A lot of people use Alpha Gel, which has similarities to Sustain Alpha, on and off cycles. @Dustin07 had had some great feedback on Alpha Gel and Epiandro products.

There would be no reason to use something like the product by the other company that you asked about after Epiandro. If you wanted to use those ingredients, you could actually get them in Cloma-Plex along with other ingredients to help boost your natural test levels.

For PCT for Epiandrosterone products, you could choose between M-Test, Optimize-T, or Cloma-Plex. Any of those would be sufficient. Cloma-Plex and Alpha Gel, mentioned above, both have anti-estrogen components to them.

The most common cycle length for Epiandrosterone is 8 weeks. There is no reason to spend time off of natural test boosters as many people, myself included, use products like M-Test, Optimize-T, or Cloma-Plex year round.

I hope that helps. If you have any questions, please let me know.

 

[Dustin07]

For PCT for Epiandrosterone products, you could choose between M-Test, Optimize-T, or Cloma-Plex. Any of those would be sufficient. Cloma-Plex and Alpha Gel, mentioned above, both have anti-estrogen components to them.

The most common cycle length for Epiandrosterone is 8 weeks. There is no reason to spend time off of natural test boosters as many people, myself included, use products like M-Test, Optimize-T, or Cloma-Plex year round.

so far my experience with a quality epi produce used intelligently has been that Alpha Gel has been more than enough for PCT. I was running the xpg epi at about 50% to 100% over recommended dosing and in the last week brough it back to 100% now I'm only on Alpha Gel with no noticeable side effects at all.

of course through all of that I also maintained my phosphatidic acid xt, and in the last week introduced anabolic effect so was I was coming off one thing, I had 2-3 others supporting me into the next month.

 

[SSJ4GOD]

I will say that epiandro 300 and stanoplex by @sns8778 are unfathomably good . Now if only he would hear my please for 1 gram caps lol . Joking joking but I do enjoy epiandro at a high dose

 

[BCseacow83]

I will say that epiandro 300 and stanoplex by @sns8778 are unfathomably good . Now if only he would hear my please for 1 gram caps lol . Joking joking but I do enjoy epiandro at a high dose

It's all about doing grams and grams for the gram! Am I right or what!?

 

[SSJ4GOD]

It's all about doing grams and grams for the gram! Am I right or what!?

absolutely! Lol. But real talk I have and enjoyed epiandro at 2 grams a day and higher dosed caps would be fantastic lol

 

[BCseacow83]

absolutely! Lol. But real talk I have and enjoyed epiandro at 2 grams a day and higher dosed caps would be fantastic lol

It does seem the more the better and I have NOT found any sides that appeared at the gram+ dosing. I don't think it NEEDS to be dosed higher but it sure is fun!

Maybe I will include it in my log................................

 

[SSJ4GOD]

It does seem the more the better and I have NOT found any sides that appeared at the gram+ dosing. I don't think it NEEDS to be dosed higher but it sure is fun!

Maybe I will include it in my log................................

You should!

 

[BCseacow83]

You should!

Ya, I have to do something. I had an idea about doing a megalog with products from different companies that sponsor here to show support for the sponsors. I can't express how much I appreciate this place still being here, I spend almost equal time reading older threads as I do new ones. At 41 I'm already sick of seeing things I like/enjoy/care about going the way of the dodo bird. I know it was a shell of it's former self but I was seriously bummed when MD announced it was done with print and online media. So this would be my way to show gratitude for the companies keeping this place going.

 

[sns8778]

Ya, I have to do something. I had an idea about doing a megalog with products from different companies that sponsor here to show support for the sponsors. I can't express how much I appreciate this place still being here, I spend almost equal time reading older threads as I do new ones. At 41 I'm already sick of seeing things I like/enjoy/care about going the way of the dodo bird. I know it was a shell of it's former self but I was seriously bummed when MD announced it was done with print and online media. So this would be my way to show gratitude for the companies keeping this place going.

Yeah, it makes one feel old to see all the old magazines and sites go away. In today's age of influencers, podcasts, etc. information is so spread out and pretty much everything is an advertisement rather than information. Much of the older magazines were advertisements too, but at least they were honest about it. Now days, the world is full of advertising trying to convince you its not advertising.

I like AM because I like helping people and it allows direct interaction with customers, which I like - but with every influx of trolling and bs here, the amount of active posters becomes less and less.

I know even for me, I've been here forever and try really hard to keep things active here and reply to everything I can, but this most recent round of trolling and spam stuff has me really losing interest bc its just too time intensive to weed through the BS.

 

[BCseacow83]

Yeah, it makes one feel old to see all the old magazines and sites go away. In today's age of influencers, podcasts, etc. information is so spread out and pretty much everything is an advertisement rather than information. Much of the older magazines were advertisements too, but at least they were honest about it. Now days, the world is full of advertising trying to convince you its not advertising.

I like AM because I like helping people and it allows direct interaction with customers, which I like - but with every influx of trolling and bs here, the amount of active posters becomes less and less.

I know even for me, I've been here forever and try really hard to keep things active here and reply to everything I can, but this most recent round of trolling and spam stuff has me really losing interest bc its just too time intensive to weed through the BS.

I understand. What, for the life of me, I cannot understand is how reddit thrives when it, at least to me, is the most unorganized jumbled mess of "information." How that place thrives and other forums do not is beyond me.

 

[Dustin07]

Yeah, it makes one feel old to see all the old magazines and sites go away. In today's age of influencers, podcasts, etc. information is so spread out and pretty much everything is an advertisement rather than information. Much of the older magazines were advertisements too, but at least they were honest about it. Now days, the world is full of advertising trying to convince you its not advertising.

I would far rather get old school magazines off the rack than hit websites but even the mags are running like $15-20 now every time I check, it's insane.