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Epiandro and 1-Andro log because their are very few out there!!

Is the aggression normal? I work with the public, and between that and 150 employees not being able to control my anger would not work out very well for me.
 
M.I.D said:
I have noticed I am starting to get in to confrontations now with friends. My fuse is a lot shorter and little things pi55 me off
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Bro YES. Same here, like little things rub me wrong bro, especially like stressful situations, like if something normally would cause me to get a little stressed/angry? Now its amplified. Honestly tho? It's not like SUBSTANTIAL it's just like.. "okay, I know I'm getting more upset about this than I normally would" like it's noticeable. But honestly? Gains >>> everything else. Lol, it doesn't bother me all too much, am I weird for saying that I kinda like it?
 
Day 7: Eagles vs Bengals (**** me)

Off day because football. Drinking beer because my Eagles suck dick judge me. Feeling the aggression extra hard today.
 
Bodybeast said:
Either of you have any water weight? I think my sodium intake has been too high and have noticed some bloat
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Yeah I do bro, like I don't have that "tightness" people are talking about yet. Not like the tightness I had on Epistane.
 
Tylerfife71 said:
Bro YES. Same here, like little things rub me wrong bro, especially like stressful situations, like if something normally would cause me to get a little stressed/angry? Now its amplified. Honestly tho? It's not like SUBSTANTIAL it's just like.. "okay, I know I'm getting more upset about this than I normally would" like it's noticeable. But honestly? Gains >>> everything else. Lol, it doesn't bother me all too much, am I weird for saying that I kinda like it?
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Ye exactly that, things that you'd normally be just a little annoyed by etc make you a lot more than normal lol.
 
SFreed said:
Is the aggression normal? I work with the public, and between that and 150 employees not being able to control my anger would not work out very well for me.
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In most instances, for most people, you will still be able to maintain control and not just have outbursts of rage that you later think "wow that just wasnt me" ie jekyll and hyde.

Note that most of the anecdotes here involve people these guys know (friends and familly)...people we generally feel we can let the censor relax a little around cos we know we can recover from any indiscretions.

Youll be fine in situations where you need to hold back.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
In most instances, for most people, you will still be able to maintain control and not just have outbursts of rage that you later think "wow that just wasnt me" ie jekyll and hyde.

Note that most of the anecdotes here involve people these guys know (friends and familly)...people we generally feel we can let the censor relax a little around cos we know we can recover from any indiscretions.

Youll be fine in situations where you need to hold back.
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This ?? very well put. That's exactly right.
 
SFreed said:
Is the aggression normal? I work with the public, and between that and 150 employees not being able to control my anger would not work out very well for me.
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I am just about a month in, and have not experienced any aggression beyond an extra drive in the gym. When I work out I have to tell myself to stop. IMO, aggression on Andros is 100% linked to your personality before you take them. If you are already hot headed, I can see it having a slight influence, but nothing that is not outside of your own control. On the other side, if you are level headed going in, you probably wont notice any difference other then a gym drive. Of course, everyone is different, so I would consider aggression like a sliding scale vs. an on/off switch.

Tylerfife71 said:
Yeah I do bro, like I don't have that "tightness" people are talking about yet. Not like the tightness I had on Epistane.
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It will come around the 2nd to 3rd week. Around the 3rd my abs began to pop like crazy.
 
I'm around day 35 on 1/4.

Regarding the aggression, I agree with the above posts. Its no doubt linked to your personality and innate propensity to fly of the chain. In the gym, believe 1/4 gives greater 'focus' rather than 'aggression". Outside of the gym, how you act is all down to you!

That said. Good luck with the cycle, I'm getting some excellent results!
 
Joe12 said:
I am just about a month in, and have not experienced any aggression beyond an extra drive in the gym. When I work out I have to tell myself to stop. IMO, aggression on Andros is 100% linked to your personality before you take them. If you are already hot headed, I can see it having a slight influence, but nothing that is not outside of your own control. On the other side, if you are level headed going in, you probably wont notice any difference other then a gym drive. Of course, everyone is different, so I would consider aggression like a sliding scale vs. an on/off switch.



It will come around the 2nd to 3rd week. Around the 3rd my abs began to pop like crazy.
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Thanks you for this ? I was waiting for someone to shed some light on when I could expect to see the results starting to kick in. I appreciate it man!!
 
Day 8: Bi's and Tri's

My favorite work out day of all. Today should be really good, I'm getting gutsy with my dosage today, I haven't been feeling much by taking 2 Epi's pre-gym. I'm going to pop my full dosage of 1000mg before gym today and see how much different I feel. Dosage today will be 1 1-andro pill now, 4 epis pre workout, 1 1-andro after workout, and 1 1-andro in the PM
 
Tylerfife71 said:
Day 8: Bi's and Tri's

My favorite work out day of all. Today should be really good, I'm getting gutsy with my dosage today, I haven't been feeling much by taking 2 Epi's pre-gym. I'm going to pop my full dosage of 1000mg before gym today and see how much different I feel. Dosage today will be 1 1-andro pill now, 4 epis pre workout, 1 1-andro after workout, and 1 1-andro in the PM
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Let us know how that works out. I've wondered about super dosing all at once!
 
Bodybeast said:
Let us know how that works out. I've wondered about super dosing all at once!
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Will do man! Quick question I wanted to add. When did you start to see an increase in vein size/more vascularity altogether. Would you say the same? Weeks 3-4?
 
Tylerfife71 said:
Will do man! Quick question I wanted to add. When did you start to see an increase in vein size/more vascularity altogether. Would you say the same? Weeks 3-4?
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I'm on a 1Andro/4Andro/19dhea cycle and I've not noticed very much except for a bit of strength increase. Today marks day 1 of week 5. I have seen no physical results except for what looks and feels like water retention... even with high protein and carb cycling. I'm not the right one to ask about that
 
Day 7: Bi's and Tri's

So preworkout I dosed 1000mg of Epi. Workout was G-R-E-A-T. Pump was there, no cramping, no joint pain, just pure pump and energy. I love the idea of dosing at 1000mg before a workout, great way to do it IMO just a heads up guys.
 
Bodybeast said:
I'm on a 1Andro/4Andro/19dhea cycle and I've not noticed very much except for a bit of strength increase. Today marks day 1 of week 5. I have seen no physical results except for what looks and feels like water retention... even with high protein and carb cycling. I'm not the right one to ask about that
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What's your dosing look like?
 
Bodybeast said:
330 for the 1 and 4 and 2 tabs at 60mg I believe for the 19dhea
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I was curious because it seems like everybody who runs this log loves it. I've read enough logs and reviews that I went with a 1Andro, Epi-Andro DHEA as my first cycle, coming up next month. I certainly hope it goes well for me. I would hate to have spent all that money, and then not see any results from it.
 
SFreed said:
I was curious because it seems like everybody who runs this log loves it. I've read enough logs and reviews that I went with a 1Andro, Epi-Andro DHEA as my first cycle, coming up next month. I certainly hope it goes well for me. I would hate to have spent all that money, and then not see any results from it.
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Everyone else is seeing results. I have a friend running just 1andro with Osta and he's up 16lbs lean muscle in 9 weeks of osta and 4 weeks of 1andro

You should be easily doing 330mg of the 1andro and 750-1000 epi is what I've seen as the sweet spot
 
500mg epi to 750 epi is like night and day for me. Good to see this pwo super dose....might just try it myself
 
I bought enough Sup3r Epi to dose 500 per day for 8 weeks. Sounds like I might want to pick up another bottle?
 
Bodybeast said:
I'm on a 1Andro/4Andro/19dhea cycle and I've not noticed very much except for a bit of strength increase. Today marks day 1 of week 5. I have seen no physical results except for what looks and feels like water retention... even with high protein and carb cycling. I'm not the right one to ask about that
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That sux man. I know theres a minority who seem to have to dose up to 500mg of 1andro to see decent results, in fact I was talking about this with another guy in another thread just yesterday.

Obviously the cost then becomes a major turn-off; as I said to him, at that point it will probably be preferrable for many to just use something else.
 
SFreed said:
I bought enough Sup3r Epi to dose 500 per day for 8 weeks. Sounds like I might want to pick up another bottle?
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500mg might do you fine - depends how much you weigh in at, what kind of responder, if you get any sides....etc...personally if I was starting again I'd go 3 weeks at 500mg then see if I need/want to raise it up...
 
NewAgeMayan said:
That sux man. I know theres a minority who seem to have to dose up to 500mg of 1andro to see decent results, in fact I was talking about this with another guy in another thread just yesterday.

Obviously the cost then becomes a major turn-off; as I said to him, at that point it will probably be preferrable for many to just use something else.
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I just got my mail order of Epi Andro and 1 Andro because they were on sale for black friday. Also have 4andro and more 1 on the way. I'll have to deal with that for next cycle. Don't wanna go methyl or pin route. Very limited options
 
Bodybeast said:
I just got my mail order of Epi Andro and 1 Andro because they were on sale for black friday. Also have 4andro and more 1 on the way. I'll have to deal with that for next cycle. Don't wanna go methyl or pin route. Very limited options
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Are you up for experimenting? I wouldnt exactly endorse this as responsible (good nite sweet lipids) but if it were me Id be wanting to know...

Try at least a week at 550mg of 1andro.

And/or trial one single large dose pre wo, and/or spread out as evenly as possible with fats, without fats/fasted, standing on your head, etc
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Are you up for experimenting? I wouldnt exactly endorse this as responsible (good nite sweet lipids) but if it were me Id be wanting to know...

Try at least a week at 550mg of 1andro.

And/or trial one single large dose, and/or spread out as evenly as possible with fats, without fats, standing on your head, etc
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Lol standing on your head... BRAIN GAINZ! Could use some now lol.

I did exactly that and took another dose 440mg of both 1 and 4. Just out of boredom though... probably won't continue that. Too expensive and I think duration is better than high dosing
 
Just ordered the OL epi/1/4 andro stack. Might start my own log of it once it comes in. Keep up the good work.
 
Dunno if anyone else gets it but I am in week 5 and starting to feel more anxiety... is this a common thing?
 
How does a 1andro/epiandro stack compare with a 1/4 andro stack? I've ran 1/4 for 8 weeks and considering a 1/epi starting in January. What differences would there be? Am i correct in saying that 1/epi will make abs pop more and increase vascularity mores than 1/4
 
Brandon25 said:
How does a 1andro/epiandro stack compare with a 1/4 andro stack? I've ran 1/4 for 8 weeks and considering a 1/epi starting in January. What differences would there be? Am i correct in saying that 1/epi will make abs pop more and increase vascularity mores than 1/4
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1/epi will be a leaner stack than 1/4 yes
 
Brandon25 said:
How does a 1andro/epiandro stack compare with a 1/4 andro stack? I've ran 1/4 for 8 weeks and considering a 1/epi starting in January. What differences would there be? Am i correct in saying that 1/epi will make abs pop more and increase vascularity mores than 1/4
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Most users claim that vascularity isn't as prevalent as most would hope... I can't say much as I'm only on day 9. Honestly? I don't fux with this cycle as I did Epistane and Trenavar.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
That sux man. I know theres a minority who seem to have to dose up to 500mg of 1andro to see decent results, in fact I was talking about this with another guy in another thread just yesterday.

Obviously the cost then becomes a major turn-off; as I said to him, at that point it will probably be preferrable for many to just use something else.
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That 4th dose last night raised my blood pressure and I couldn't sleep until like 4:30am. I also sweat all over my bed. It was bad
 
Bodybeast said:
That 4th dose last night raised my blood pressure and I couldn't sleep until like 4:30am. I also sweat all over my bed. It was bad
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Oh, no, thats no good. Have you tried two or 3 caps prewo? The compound is obviously getting into your system, and it appears youve found your threshold...but maybe dosing all 3cap pre wo may maximise conversion and muscular uptake in your case? Could be a bit risky if you train late arvo/evening.
 
I decided to do 2caps epi pre wo and another 2 spaced out....so far so good. I dont think I'll need anything else pwo after a 500mg pwo dose!
 
Tank999 said:
I decided to do 2caps epi pre wo and another 2 spaced out....so far so good. I dont think I'll neef anything else pwo after a 500mg pwo dose!
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Everyone is different bro, 1000mg is my sweet spot. Didn't feel **** from 500mg PWO. Just listen to your body and let the muscles speak
 
UPDATE

Day 9: shoulders and traps

Okay... holy ****. Today the pump was insane and I had to force myself to leave the gym BUT I don't know if it was from the PH's or because I took a Super HD extreme pill by Cellucor an hour prior to the gym. Okay
1.) if you've never tried Super HD just for energy in general? It's the best on the market. Hands down and kicks ASS as a PWO, but can't take it close to bed because you'll have flutter eyes
2.) I dosed all at once today before the gym. 330mg of 1-andro and 1000mg of epi. Again, no dryness, no intense body temperature, no feeling sick EVEN with a Super HD thermogenic pill, my body seemed to love me today and my forearms are screaming thank you.

Overall today was the most energetic and successful day so far.
 
Sounds like it's starting to kick in. When my 1-andro started working I could have stayed at the gym for hours, my endurance shot up. I left my buddy who was on osta at the time in the dust. We normally had the same strength and endurance but he would get tired way before me and have to leave me at the gym :laugh:
 
Tylerfife71 said:
Everyone is different bro, 1000mg is my sweet spot. Didn't feel **** from 500mg PWO. Just listen to your body and let the muscles speak
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Interesting, I've been doing 500mg PWO and haven't noticed a thing either. Did you ever try 750 pwo? I'm considering it tomorrow morning.

*edit:Nevermind just saw your newer post that answered my question
 
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Tylerfife71 said:
UPDATE

Day 9: shoulders and traps

Okay... holy ****. Today the pump was insane and I had to force myself to leave the gym BUT I don't know if it was from the PH's or because I took a Super HD extreme pill by Cellucor an hour prior to the gym. Okay
1.) if you've never tried Super HD just for energy in general? It's the best on the market. Hands down and kicks ASS as a PWO, but can't take it close to bed because you'll have flutter eyes
2.) I dosed all at once today before the gym. 330mg of 1-andro and 1000mg of epi. Again, no dryness, no intense body temperature, no feeling sick EVEN with a Super HD thermogenic pill, my body seemed to love me today and my forearms are screaming thank you.

Overall today was the most energetic and successful day so far.
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The pumps I am getting lately are quite unbearable sometimes. Cant finish some sets because so bad
 
Tylerfife71 said:
UPDATE

Day 9: shoulders and traps

Okay... holy ****. Today the pump was insane and I had to force myself to leave the gym BUT I don't know if it was from the PH's or because I took a Super HD extreme pill by Cellucor an hour prior to the gym. Okay
1.) if you've never tried Super HD just for energy in general? It's the best on the market. Hands down and kicks ASS as a PWO, but can't take it close to bed because you'll have flutter eyes
2.) I dosed all at once today before the gym. 330mg of 1-andro and 1000mg of epi. Again, no dryness, no intense body temperature, no feeling sick EVEN with a Super HD thermogenic pill, my body seemed to love me today and my forearms are screaming thank you.

Overall today was the most energetic and successful day so far.
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Yup, that's the feeling... get use to it, there is more to come. There have been multiple days where I complete my WO and just walk around the gym looking for more to do. Oh yea, give it another week and you will notice your recovery is sick. I first noticed when my normal leg day DOMS was cut almost in half.
 
I'm starting my 2nd cycle January 1. Gonna run 1/4 and epi. (first cycle was just 1/4). Going to eat in a deficit to get the best out of the epi. Looking forwarded to getting back started with it all. Loved the first run of 1/4.
 
Day 10: Weigh in/Chest and Back

Started off day 1 at 203 lbs, current weight is 199 lbs kind of confused but it's okay. As you can see from my profile pic, I was low body fat to begin with, not super low, but low. The gains are showing tho! I think I'm honestly just shredding fat and keeping the muscle I do have. I'm eating in a superb deficit right now and keeping protein really high. Not bad, should I be worried about going down in weight and not up? Confused.
 
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