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Epi vs M-sten...

AndroRage

AndroRage

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I'm looking to run either of these with my upcoming cycle (Test predominately) and looking for lean gains...

I know this may seem abit of a mis-match as people say Epi is "mild" but for me I respond well to it and it's probably my favourite compound and have used SD in the past and the gains were similar however Epi I had virtually zero sides (super I really disliked for sides)

But M-sten really interests me and as it's getting a lot of positive reviews and apparently isn't as rough as SD and it doesn't aromatise like Epi. So my question is, people who have ran both what are your experiences and comparisons with these two?

Should have said, I'm looking specifically at Nanodrol.

Thanks
 
Epi doesn't aromatize. Msten will pack on some muscle for sure.
 
If you respond so great to a mild compound like epi why bother with msten. Don't fix what aint broken. what kind of results do you get from epi?
 
stann123 said:
If you respond so great to a mild compound like epi why bother with msten. Don't fix what aint broken. what kind of results do you get from epi?
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i agree with this, ive had good results on epi tried msten and it wasn't really worth the hype was at low dose of 20mg though.. nowadays im running epi high @90mg, I'll probably go back and try msten again but at a higher dose
 
stann123 said:
If you respond so great to a mild compound like epi why bother with msten. Don't fix what aint broken. what kind of results do you get from epi?
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I got a good lean 8lbs last time I used it which doesn't seem a lot but in 4 weeks with zero sides; to me that's pretty significant when I was trying to reduce bf
bel1 said:
i agree with this, ive had good results on epi tried msten and it wasn't really worth the hype was at low dose of 20mg though.. nowadays im running epi high @90mg, I'll probably go back and try msten again but at a higher dose
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Yeh I like Epi, but both are DHT derived, both don't aromatize and both get could feedback.
 
bel1 said:
i agree with this, ive had good results on epi tried msten and it wasn't really worth the hype was at low dose of 20mg though.. nowadays im running epi high @90mg, I'll probably go back and try msten again but at a higher dose
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Epi at 90mg , isnt that too much ? what side effects do you get?
 
Ephedraboy said:
Epi at 90mg , isnt that too much ? what side effects do you get?
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lethargy and dry joints but i was running low dose of osta @ 10mg and the joint problems were pretty much minimized..
lethargy really isnt that bad, it's worse during pct =/
 
Ephedraboy said:
Epi at 90mg , isnt that too much ? what side effects do you get?
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lethargy and dry joints but i was running low dose of osta @ 10mg and the joint problems were pretty much minimized..
lethargy really isnt that bad, it's worse during pct =/
 
bel1 said:
lethargy and dry joints but i was running low dose of osta @ 10mg and the joint problems were pretty much minimized..
lethargy really isnt that bad, it's worse during pct =/
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Ok , but with 30/45/45/45/45/45 , you get great results without lethargy , right ?
 
Ephedraboy said:
Ok , but with 30/45/45/45/45/45 , you get great results without lethargy , right ?
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yup thats a good cycle similar to my first, but dude aren't you underaged?
don't be too eager to jump on gear once u tried it there's no turning back being off sucks balls, pct sucks balls..
 
bel1 said:
yup thats a good cycle similar to my first, but dude aren't you underaged?
don't be too eager to jump on gear once u tried it there's no turning back being off sucks balls, pct sucks balls..
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Well i'm 21 , it's young yes.

I know that if i start , i won't want to stop sadly.
Why being off sucks balls? and PCT? cause of low T levels? but it comes back to normal after the 4 weeks PCT right?
It means that if i do a 6 weeks cycle , then 4 weeks PCT , i 'll be in a bad mood during the PCT , but after i'll be normal
 
You don't really understand how steroids work... You'll feel like a superhuman on them, who wants that feeling to go away?
 
Mystere3 said:
You don't really understand how steroids work... You'll feel like a superhuman on them, who wants that feeling to go away?
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Everyone got that feeling?
I've read a lot of Logs , not many people says that , but they have lethargy , no more libido , but they gain strengh and mass and vascularity , i didn't see a lot of people saying they felt like super human on Epi for exemple .

I'm on dermacrine since 4-5 weeks , i know it's **** compared to epi or other PH/AAS , but i feel better
 
Yes. Most ppl do.

Ephedraboy said:
Everyone got that feeling?
I've read a lot of Logs , not many people says that , but they have lethargy , no more libido , but they gain strengh and mass and vascularity , i didn't see a lot of people saying they felt like super human on Epi for exemple .

I'm on dermacrine since 4-5 weeks , i know it's **** compared to epi or other PH/AAS , but i feel better
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Yeah it is, to get it back on track OP I personally gain a lot of mass on msten and average strength gains. I think you'd be pleased with your results. I'd do 4 to 6 weeks at 10-30mg.
 
reps4jesus said:
Yeah it is, to get it back on track OP I personally gain a lot of mass on msten and average strength gains. I think you'd be pleased with your results. I'd do 4 to 6 weeks at 10-30mg.
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Move you ran both bro? I like the dryness of Epi, how was dryness,vascularity, hardness etc on msten in comparison? Also sous kinda stupid but Epi asked me feel somewhat happy, sd makes me fee like I want to die... How's msten make you feel bro?
 
Alasel said:
Move you ran both bro? I like the dryness of Epi, how was dryness,vascularity, hardness etc on msten in comparison? Also sous kinda stupid but Epi asked me feel somewhat happy, sd makes me fee like I want to die... How's msten make you feel bro?
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Epi is dryer than msten IMO. But that's just because msten rises free estrogen. Msten makes me feel tired as hell, very lethargic, nothing I can't handle. But I feel like a beast at the same time. Msten will help with vascularity for sure, you'll notice harder muscles to.
 
Msten had me either pissed off or tired or both at all times. It works great but at what cost? I did have very good gains but felt like a bag of mashed up butt holes for 6 weeks. Never again!
 
thehogsters said:
Msten had me either pissed off or tired or both at all times. It works great but at what cost? I did have very good gains but felt like a bag of mashed up butt holes for 6 weeks. Never again!
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You also ran higher doses bro
 
reps4jesus said:
You also ran higher doses bro
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Lol yup that is for sure. I have thought about trying it again at just 20mg. Sounds like the sides are not very bad at that dose. 33mg for 30 days was to much for me. Some of you younger guys seem to be ok with it but not my old ass.
 
thehogsters said:
Lol yup that is for sure. I have thought about trying it again at just 20mg. Sounds like the sides are not very bad at that dose. 33mg for 30 days was to much for me. Some of you younger guys seem to be ok with it but not my old ass.
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Lol I think you'd enjoy 20mg man. 30 would be a lot for anyone.
 
Yep. All depends on your diet. My joints were killing me with epi, not so much with msten though. So I would use epi in a cut cycle. I used both in lean bulk cycles.
 
Yo, funny thing is, I just made the decision last week which one to use.
I choose MSTEN, because it seems you get more gainz. But I don't know half the amount these people know on here.

But everything I have read states EPI will dry you out more and you will look great since BF% will be effected and muscle hardness.

But I wanted to gain as much as possible, so I went with MSTEN to put on some pounds. I think I will be safe with how my diet is. Well thats what it comes down to anyway how your diet is. Make sure thats in check. MSTEN seems like a beast thing. So I'm gonna run it soon. I will let you know how I feel. lol
 
Alasel said:
What's your experience with it bro? Would you say it's drier than Epi or not?
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I tested a bottle of ultradrol when it was first released.

I liked it. Epi caused gyno symptoms to go crazy.

12-16mg of ultradrol for 6-8 weeks would bring lean mass, dryness and strength.
 
jbryand101b said:
I tested a bottle of ultradrol when it was first released.

I liked it. Epi caused gyno symptoms to go crazy.

12-16mg of ultradrol for 6-8 weeks would bring lean mass, dryness and strength.
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In my past experience, Msten used in the absence of carbs caused some really awesome dryness and vascularity. I was using it at 30 though. It preserves mass for me really well. So anyway that's what I'm running right now along with low dose Trest heading into a physique comp in19 days. So far so good!
 
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