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Epi: Is SERM even necessary?

padron

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Everything I read here about Epi suggests that PCT with a SERM is an absolute no-brainer. The owner of the local supp shop keeps insisting to me that Epi doesn't need a SERM. He says he ran it 3 times this year without any PCT and no SERM on hand. According to him, Epi lowers estrogen and keeps it lowered for 6 months after the cycle, so nothing is needed after cycle to keep it down. He also keeps telling me that it will not cause rebound of estrogen after cycle.

wtf? I don't believe this dude because everything i read tells me he's wrong, but does anyone have any info on what he's talking about? Does it keep estrogen lowered for 6 months?

Is a SERM necessary? Anyone run Epi without a SERM and have bad or good experiences to share? All (constructive) input greatly appreciated.
 
padron said:
Everything I read here about Epi suggests that PCT with a SERM is an absolute no-brainer. The owner of the local supp shop keeps insisting to me that Epi doesn't need a SERM. He says he ran it 3 times this year without any PCT and no SERM on hand. According to him, Epi lowers estrogen and keeps it lowered for 6 months after the cycle, so nothing is needed after cycle to keep it down. He also keeps telling me that it will not cause rebound of estrogen after cycle.

wtf? I don't believe this dude because everything i read tells me he's wrong, but does anyone have any info on what he's talking about? Does it keep estrogen lowered for 6 months?

Is a SERM necessary? Anyone run Epi without a SERM and have bad or good experiences to share? All (constructive) input greatly appreciated.
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in leymans terms yes you need a seem,Iv seen tests done after not using a serm,on these bordes as it happens and he will defo be running it from now on and also its good protocol to run a thorough pct after any anabolic/androgenic, better safe than sorry mate
 
ya id get a serm
 
darsh89 said:
your local supplement guys is an idiot
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very much agree

To the OP ... Even if no necessary, why not still use it ? Cheap and effective .. I recommend it for every cycle .. Weather your running a super mild (ex mmv2, ams cycle VS sdrol, alpha1, etc) .. I'd use a serm for every cycle.
 
thanks for the input. i figured as much about him being clueless. and just because he doesn't care about screwing up his body doesn't mean i should follow suit. The only reason I hesitate is because I am a little bit worried about the sides from the SERM itself. But I ran a Halovar cycle 2 years back without a SERM (my first cycle: stupidly jumped in without doing much research) and I started feeling terrible about 2 weeks in. Got depressed and started obsessing about what i thought was the beginning of gyno. so i cut it off at 2 weeks and started a pretty lame otc PCT. needless to say, I ended up losing much more muscle mass than i even gained while on. It took me a while to get back to where i was before cycle. So pretty bad first experience, all due to my lack of research and planning. won't make that mistake again.


any recommendations on which SERM I should use with Epi? And what other supps I should add on cycle and for PCT? I've seen a lot of people posting their PCT for Epi but can anyone explain what to add and why it helps? or at least point me in the right direction for explanation of the different supps?

much appreciated...
 
well, I had high estrogen levels after using epi/havoc... even after serm pct.
Was it extreme rebound from nolva or epi.... no clue... but EPI did not keep them low for 6months !!!
 
padron said:
thanks for the input. i figured as much about him being clueless. and just because he doesn't care about screwing up his body doesn't mean i should follow suit. The only reason I hesitate is because I am a little bit worried about the sides from the SERM itself. But I ran a Halovar cycle 2 years back without a SERM (my first cycle: stupidly jumped in without doing much research) and I started feeling terrible about 2 weeks in. Got depressed and started obsessing about what i thought was the beginning of gyno. so i cut it off at 2 weeks and started a pretty lame otc PCT. needless to say, I ended up losing much more muscle mass than i even gained while on. It took me a while to get back to where i was before cycle. So pretty bad first experience, all due to my lack of research and planning. won't make that mistake again.


any recommendations on which SERM I should use with Epi? And what other supps I should add on cycle and for PCT? I've seen a lot of people posting their PCT for Epi but can anyone explain what to add and why it helps? or at least point me in the right direction for explanation of the different supps?

much appreciated...
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id def run cycle support .. if you like powder check out AI-cycle support .. if you like caps, i recommend cel-cycle assist

pct - i would add in a testbooster with nolva .. DAA is cheap and effective or i recommend Pct Assist.. i like the new formula .. also in PCT i would run cycle support + your choice of liver support

here are some of the things i mentioned .. fairly priced on NP ..

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let me know if you need something in stock .. i can try getting them in

gluck on ya cycle
 
get some nolva from a U.S. based research site. At the min use some DAA alongside it, but a real T booster like HCGenerate or Phytoserms is ideal for recovery
 
Thanks guys. Much appreciated.

What's the deal with HCG? does it come in non-injectible form? i've read some articles saying it's great to add to end of cycle/pct for epi. anybody with any experience on this? specifically the non-injectible form, if there is one.
 
You probably don't need a serm because Epi does a good job of having anti-estrogenic and serm like activity on it's own. That being said, I would still low dose a serm in your PCT. I always go for clomid; 25mg for 4 weeks should be fine.....clomid has a half life of 5-7 DAYS
 
padron said:
Thanks guys. Much appreciated.

What's the deal with HCG? does it come in non-injectible form? i've read some articles saying it's great to add to end of cycle/pct for epi. anybody with any experience on this? specifically the non-injectible form, if there is one.
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Not needed for an epi cycle. Epi is mild in the shutdown dept (it actually increased my libido). Any HCG that is in a non-injectable form is a rip off.
 
thanks for the help. i'm still looking into all of this so i'm not ready to cycle yet but i appreciate the info. I've been seeing some decent gains lately with natty test boosters so i'm going to ride that out for a while and milk what i can out of it.

Does anyone know of a site to sell unwanted PHs? I have some e-pol from purus that i bought when i didn't know any better, but after doing some research and learning what was in it i realized it was way too strong for what i wanted. PM me if you know of any place i can dump it. the ebay route seems dangerous.
 
padron said:
thanks for the help. i'm still looking into all of this so i'm not ready to cycle yet but i appreciate the info. I've been seeing some decent gains lately with natty test boosters so i'm going to ride that out for a while and milk what i can out of it.

Does anyone know of a site to sell unwanted PHs? I have some e-pol from purus that i bought when i didn't know any better, but after doing some research and learning what was in it i realized it was way too strong for what i wanted. PM me if you know of any place i can dump it. the ebay route seems dangerous.
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you can sell stuff here too. Supp auction section.
 
Im on an epi cycle but only got one bottle 90 pills and am dosing 20mg ed the first week then 40mg everyday till bottle runs dry. Im debating whether or not to get a serm i was just thinkin a natty t booster and an ai.... What yall think?
 
I've never seen legit nolva for cheap I always have to get it from India off some wack pharmacy website.. Can some one please PM me and possibly send me in the right direction..
 
fame126 said:
Im on an epi cycle but only got one bottle 90 pills and am dosing 20mg ed the first week then 40mg everyday till bottle runs dry. Im debating whether or not to get a serm i was just thinkin a natty t booster and an ai.... What yall think?
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I SERMed Epi and I will SERM it again.
 
padron said:
Everything I read here about Epi suggests that PCT with a SERM is an absolute no-brainer. The owner of the local supp shop keeps insisting to me that Epi doesn't need a SERM. He says he ran it 3 times this year without any PCT and no SERM on hand. According to him, Epi lowers estrogen and keeps it lowered for 6 months after the cycle, so nothing is needed after cycle to keep it down. He also keeps telling me that it will not cause rebound of estrogen after cycle.

wtf? I don't believe this dude because everything i read tells me he's wrong, but does anyone have any info on what he's talking about? Does it keep estrogen lowered for 6 months?

Is a SERM necessary? Anyone run Epi without a SERM and have bad or good experiences to share? All (constructive) input greatly appreciated.
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what dose is he running and cycle length. He is either stupid or runs way under dose. The ai effect doesn't last 6months either, your bodies receptors only live for a few days to a couple of weeks then die off and are replaced.
 
Stupidly, I listened to my friend who said I didnt need a serm for epistane. I lost a lot of gains I made and I regret not taking a pct. I didnt experience any bad sides though.
 
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