Epi in PCT?

mikeyb123

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I have read a few posts here and there where people have used Epi in there PCT? 1 pill a day early morning.

I am going to do a T-Roid cycle next month for 4 weeks.

My PCT so far looks like this...

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Trib 2000mg/2000mg/3000mg/3000mg

I do have a bottle of epi which would give me about 2 weeks of 1 pill per day.

What do you recon?
 
mikeyb123 said:
I have read a few posts here and there where people have used Epi in there PCT? 1 pill a day early morning.

I am going to do a T-Roid cycle next month for 4 weeks.

My PCT so far looks like this...

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Trib 2000mg/2000mg/3000mg/3000mg

I do have a bottle of epi which would give me about 2 weeks of 1 pill per day.

What do you recon?
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i think roids in a PCT is a no-no
 
Yeah thats what I always thought.... but heard that Epi early in the morning will not be detected by your body so easily.
 
mikeyb123 said:
Yeah thats what I always thought.... but heard that Epi early in the morning will not be detected by your body so easily.
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The early morning part is just broscience.

Epi was originally developed as a STEROIDAL AI, so it will reduce estrogen, but it won't have the same HPTA restorative effect as a SERM.
 
Actually the idea of low dose epi first thing in the morning isn't just "broscience." It is based off of the same science as the pulsing method of oral steroids. Epi has such a short half-life, if you take 1 small dosage in the morning it will clear your system within hours, and your natural test productions will still maintain function. It's not for everyone, but it is not the same thing as running an epi cycle or "running a steroid in PCT." Think of it this way; The HPTA is suppressed when an exogenous source of hormone is present, and the body no longer needs endogenous production to keep up with the body's demand for androgenic hormone production. IF the body senses an exogenous source of hormone i.e. "5-10 mg of epi" early in the morning and it clears the body only a few hours later, the body will recognize the need to continue natural endogenous testosterone production. This will only work for extremely small amounts of a highly mild compund (i.e. 5-10 mg EPI) that clears the body extremely quickly, so that the body will continue to recognize its NEED for endogenous hormonal production for the majority (20+ hours) of the day (including during the entire REM sleep process). I am not however saying that this is alright for everyone to do, but at the same time I know of people who have used such a method and had no problems recovering during their PCT. (This is also dependent upon a proper PCT being utilized in the first place.)


BEAST
 
Although I will not debate the scientific hypothesis of these theorys, I personally wouldnt due it based on my experiences, and I will add that I do not like to take anything off cycle that may affect T levels in any possible way early in the am when they should naturally spike. This is my preference, heres a chart that sorta explains my point, which again is only my preference, and may or may not be the most scientific approach to the issue.

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I would rather give Formex a try in PCT (i have not done it in pct yet)
 
ive done it...best pct i ever had. Its not for a novice user though. It takes someone with experience in a pct to recognize the signs....if your body isnt recovering and is just on a low dose cycle an unexperienced user would have trouble discerning this.
 
pembroke3355 said:
I would never use a steriod in a pct. I do not care what the science says there are proven PCT plans in place that do not include steriods.
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agreed, i don't see the fluctuations from synthetic to normal testosterone very healthy during a pct either, and i've seen no studies to prove that wrong.
 
Ju1cedUp said:
agreed, i don't see the fluctuations from synthetic to normal testosterone very healthy during a pct either, and i've seen no studies to prove that wrong.
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umm...what else would happen during a pct? i had this long reply thought out here but im just gonna go with .....lol
 
RoadBlocK said:
Although I will not debate the scientific hypothesis of these theorys, I personally wouldnt due it based on my experiences, and I will add that I do not like to take anything off cycle that may affect T levels in any possible way early in the am when they should naturally spike. This is my preference, heres a chart that sorta explains my point, which again is only my preference, and may or may not be the most scientific approach to the issue.

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I would rather give Formex a try in PCT (i have not done it in pct yet)
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Formex....Is the sHiznit for PCT!

imho OF COURSE...
 
mooch2321 said:
umm...what else would happen during a pct? i had this long reply thought out here but im just gonna go with .....lol
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... yea at the beginning of the pct there is the switch from synthetic to natural test.. but making your body continue to switch from synthetic to natural does not seem too smart.

unless ur saying that the body keeps switching from synthetic to natural anyway ?? eventhough ur not supplementing the roids anymore? idk what ur tryin to say.. explain
 
RoadBlocK said:
Although I will not debate the scientific hypothesis of these theorys, I personally wouldnt due it based on my experiences, and I will add that I do not like to take anything off cycle that may affect T levels in any possible way early in the am when they should naturally spike. This is my preference, heres a chart that sorta explains my point, which again is only my preference, and may or may not be the most scientific approach to the issue.

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I would rather give Formex a try in PCT (i have not done it in pct yet)
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So yourself, you normally take a test booster in the evening or prior to bed?
 
Cordeen said:
So yourself, you normally take a test booster in the evening or prior to bed?
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Well, thats not really what I was talking about, the low dose steroid hypothesis for pct is what I really was commenting about, if youre specifically taking a test boosting product, then I would follow whatever dosing instructions where on the bottle, and if it did infact boost test levels as promised, then in practical theory, it would boost the morning spike even higher and theoretically keep test level higher than normal all day long(with dosing throughout the day). So I guess if the test booster was to be taken 3 times a day, then an am, a midday and an evening dose would be appropriate. Again, in this case, I would just follow the instructions on the label.
 
Ju1cedUp said:
... yea at the beginning of the pct there is the switch from synthetic to natural test.. but making your body continue to switch from synthetic to natural does not seem too smart.

unless ur saying that the body keeps switching from synthetic to natural anyway ?? eventhough ur not supplementing the roids anymore? idk what ur tryin to say.. explain
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First, epi is not testosterone or any ph that converts to testosterone. It is its own steroid, so we arent talking about synthetic and natty test fluctuations day to day during pct.

Using an oral bridge during pct is a tactic that bb'ers have used succesfully for years. Morning dbol anyone??? Anyway imo, the properties of epi(ie...short half-life and serm like effects) make it a great compund to use for this purpose.

Roadblocks chart is actually dead on other than the fact that it doesnt take into account that peoples sleep hours vary. But, a fast acting steroid, dosed an hour or so after you wake up can actually help quite a bit during pct. 10mgs of epi is out of your system in a few hours and doesnt really impact your natty test secretion. It will spark some anabolic effect though and help you to maintain gains made on cycle.

This is an advanced tactic and should not be used by just anyone, as stated earlier. But if proper care is taken and bloodwork is done it can be a great addition to any pct. Many on this board dont care to think outside the box.
 
mooch2321 said:
First, epi is not testosterone or any ph that converts to testosterone. It is its own steroid, so we arent talking about synthetic and natty test fluctuations day to day during pct.

Using an oral bridge during pct is a tactic that bb'ers have used succesfully for years. Morning dbol anyone??? Anyway imo, the properties of epi(ie...short half-life and serm like effects) make it a great compund to use for this purpose.

Roadblocks chart is actually dead on other than the fact that it doesnt take into account that peoples sleep hour vary. But, a fast acting steroid, dosed an hour or so after you wake up can actually help quite a bit during pct. !0mgs of epi is out of your system in a few hours and doesnt really impact your natty test secretion. It will spark some anabolic effect though and help you to maintain gains made on cycle.

This is an advanced tactic and should not be used by just anyone, as stated earlier. But if proper care is taken and bloodwork is done it can be a great addition to any pct. Many on this board dont care to think outside the box.
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After cycle blood work has soon people with test levels in the 50 range. It may be it's own steriod but it shuts down natural test. Why would you want to use something in pct that has already shut down your test on cycle. Some on this board think too far out of the box as they find themself in trouble.
 
pembroke3355 said:
After cycle blood work has soon people with test levels in the 50 range. It may be it's own steriod but it shuts down natural test. Why would you want to use something in pct that has already shut down your test on cycle. Some on this board think too far out of the box as they find themself in trouble.
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Pembroke, im not gonna start an E-war with you. You can follow the cookie cutter aproach. I really dont care. Keep pushin that pcs!

I have bloodwork done regularly thank-you, and ive never found myself to be in "trouble", as you put it. As i have progressed in my bodybuilding I found that after cycles no matter how big i got i would gravitate back to 220ish. At 5'9 thats pretty big, but it wasnt enough. I had to find ways to help myself safely retain mass, this was one that worked for me.
 
mooch2321 said:
Pembroke, im not gonna start an E-war with you. You can follow the cookie cutter aproach. I really dont care. Keep pushin that pcs!

I have bloodwork done regularly thank-you, and ive never found myself to be in "trouble", as you put it. As i have progressed in my bodybuilding I found that after cycles no matter how big i got i would gravitate back to 220ish. At 5'9 thats pretty big, but it wasnt enough. I had to find ways to help myself safely retain mass, this was one that worked for me.
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Wow dude frirst of all I am stating my opinion. Please show me where once in this thread did I mention PCS. Just because you you recovered fine many people have not and there has been blood work to prove it. It is your body do what you want. You will never convince me that using a steriod as part of a pct is a good thing. But if it works for you god bless you.:)
 
Sorry for the pcs crack, my fingers and mouth ran away from me. You are not one of the many shameless product pimps out there and i respect that. Agree to disagree I guess.
 
mooch2321 said:
Sorry for the pcs crack, my fingers and mouth ran away from me. You are not one of the many shameless product pimps out there and i respect that. Agree to disagree I guess.
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could u take a look at this for me mooch? i trust ur opinion over most of the current responders.. and people on here for that matter
 
mooch2321 said:
Sorry for the pcs crack, my fingers and mouth ran away from me. You are not one of the many shameless product pimps out there and i respect that. Agree to disagree I guess.
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Yes that is cool and I respect you opinion as well.:)
 
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May be some useful FYI....for someone.....:bigok:
 
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