Epi Help!

yaknow

yaknow

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Hey guys i came here to ask for some help i want to start a bulk epi cycle soon and want to be informed before i do so.

first ill give you some of my stats 5'10 200pounds 14-17% bodyfat lifting for 3 years and previous cycles are uneducated no pct phera cycle and an educated not so great in result 11 oxo "cycle" all i saw was alot of leaning which is good in another way but i want mass right now

so i want to start an epi cycle of 4 or 5 weeks whatever you guys recommend the longer the better for me i want some nice gains. and i also want to know how i should dose it week by week??

for pct ive seen people use alot of diffrent serms like torm nolva clomid.... which one is the best for epi and at what dosages and how much time should i run them..
as for the rest of my pct i have retain 2 at 3 caps a day and an inverse hyperdrol dosage from someone elses cycle

random question whats the anabolic/andro ratio of epi?
 
there are like at least 10 EPI logs currently going. try searching for some...

i have one for example. but its a mix of 2 compounds and you should prob just stick to one to see how EPI works for you solo.
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gluck
 
hey buddy yea ive been checkin some logs out and the reason i posted was because people all have diffrent doses and diffrent purposes like cutting bulking gyno control and all are diffrent body weights so i wanted to know what would fit to me and ive seen alot of diff serms so i just wanted to know the best so i would be in good shape.
 
yaknow said:
hey buddy yea ive been checkin some logs out and the reason i posted was because people all have diffrent doses and diffrent purposes like cutting bulking gyno control and all are diffrent body weights so i wanted to know what would fit to me and ive seen alot of diff serms so i just wanted to know the best so i would be in good shape.
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hey dude i was going for a lean bulk and gained 13.5 lbs and another 5 during my PCT.... so check my log below mimic it and if your training and diet are in place then it will be impossible for you to not have a succesfull cycle. If you REAAAALLY dont want to read through it all then jump to pg 14 and look at my summation post.

your dosing looks good as far as your PCT goes but for your SERM i wouldnt suggest nolva or clomid, id go for toremifene, its far faster acting and a lot less hazardous to your health... nolva is pretty toxic and clomid will F with your vision and eyes in general, twitching and whatnot. thats JMO.

the andro:ana for epi is 91:1100.... all about mass BUT its still a very dry compound much like a very clean SD or Phera... SD cuase its dry but prob more like phera honestly, great mood boost and sense of well being great strength gains and sick mass and pumps..... cant wait to get on it again.
 
Hey wow thats incredible if i get anywhere near that ill be estatic. So you think a 20 30 30 40 40 scheme is good?

and i havent bought my serm yet but i will asap what dosages should i run the toremifene at. Also do i really need to run the hyperdrol for pct since i havent got it yet and i heard epi is easy to recover from... thanks for any help btw thats an incredible mass ratio wow i cant wait to get on this.
 
oop just checked out your log and it lines up the pct dosages so nvm on that but i want to know if the hyperdrol is still necessary.
 
not necessary but definately wouldnt hurt at getting production back to norm helping stave off estrogen and maintain gains.
 
the thing im thinking about is since estrogen is so suppressed while on epi then you suppress it again with an ai and then when you finally stop your pct ai and serm there might be an estrogen rebound that might cause gyno?? but if you dont use the ai then the rebound will happen while your on the serm so gyno wont be a problem... this is just me thinking want to know some opinions
 
yaknow said:
the thing im thinking about is since estrogen is so suppressed while on epi then you suppress it again with an ai and then when you finally stop your post cycle therapy ai and serm there might be an estrogen rebound that might cause gyno?? but if you dont use the ai then the rebound will happen while your on the serm so gyno wont be a problem... this is just me thinking want to know some opinions
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no you dont understand the way it works.... you take a SERM wich completely blocks estrogen, its still there it just cant bind to the receptor. Epi does close to the same thing the enitre cycle starving the receptors of est and if applicable destroying gyno. NOW when you start your post cycle therapy youll take the serm and slowly ramp the dosage downwards, all the while its increasing your natural test and keeping the est from bombarding the receptors all at once like you explained..... NOW notice i bolded natural test... since your now getting to a state at the end of PCT where you have ALOT of test being produced and very little estrogen being blocked you should be ok as long as those 2 stay balanced.

Then nasty Aromatase comes into the picture.... the aromatase is going to come in and take all your hard earned test and turn it into estrogen and BOOM your still outta whack and have more est then test.... thus an AI (Aromatase inhibitor) it will block the aromatase from attacking your precious test allowing you to maintain a more benificial balance and continue increasing test.

Typically the AI is run inversely to the SERM, lower the SERM's dose across post cycle therapy while raising your AI's dose in order again to accomadate for the increasing amounts of test you have to protect.

its a very sound and simple idea when you know how it works and when you see it in action youll def be pleased with the results.

dont forget about cortisol suppression(X-lean) and making sure your liver values come back to norm as well (cycle/life support)... otherwise once agian youll be fighting against nasty sides and struggling to keep your hard earned muscle... any more questions shoot me a PM.
 
poopypants said:
no you dont understand the way it works.... you take a SERM wich completely blocks estrogen, its still there it just cant bind to the receptor. Epi does close to the same thing the enitre cycle starving the receptors of est and if applicable destroying gyno. NOW when you start your post cycle therapy youll take the serm and slowly ramp the dosage downwards, all the while its increasing your natural test and keeping the est from bombarding the receptors all at once like you explained..... NOW notice i bolded natural test... since your now getting to a state at the end of post cycle therapy where you have ALOT of test being produced and very little estrogen being blocked you should be ok as long as those 2 stay balanced.

Then nasty Aromatase comes into the picture.... the aromatase is going to come in and take all your hard earned test and turn it into estrogen and BOOM your still outta whack and have more est then test.... thus an AI (Aromatase inhibitor) it will block the aromatase from attacking your precious test allowing you to maintain a more benificial balance and continue increasing test.

Typically the AI is run inversely to the SERM, lower the SERM's dose across post cycle therapy while raising your AI's dose in order again to accomadate for the increasing amounts of test you have to protect.

its a very sound and simple idea when you know how it works and when you see it in action youll def be pleased with the results.

dont forget about cortisol suppression(X-lean) and making sure your liver values come back to norm as well (cycle/life support)... otherwise once agian youll be fighting against nasty sides and struggling to keep your hard earned muscle... any more questions shoot me a PM.
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Well said Poopy!
 
poop,
i agree that nolva is more toxic than torem, and that torem will bring you back faster. but you might be overplaying nolva's toxicity. also it's a lot cheaper. i mostly just say this because i'm stubborn to switch to torem after so many nolva pct's. but i admit that if you have the cake and no preexisting relationship with your current serm, then torem looks like it might be a step up.
 
also i just finished a great cycle of epi that went 20,30,30,40. shutdown was minimal and pct seems to be going quite easy. i didn't gain 13.5lbs like poop, but i dropped an inch on my waste (31") and gained awesome size and strength in all muscles.
 
Beige said:
poop,
i agree that nolva is more toxic than torem, and that torem will bring you back faster. but you might be overplaying nolva's toxicity. also it's a lot cheaper. i mostly just say this because i'm stubborn to switch to torem after so many nolva post cycle therapy's. but i admit that if you have the cake and no preexisting relationship with your current serm, then torem looks like it might be a step up.
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ya i have taken nolva for 3 of my cylces...i highly prefer torem. its SO much faster i think it allows for better retention of gains.. but after a methyl cycle the last thing i want to do is put a further load on it while i am trying to recouperate it... JMO... but yes nolva is what 1/3 the price??? does tempt one to make the choice to save some dough...
 
quick help

Hey guys,
im gonna be starting epi soon, well a few weeks after the hols. im gonna pulse it for 8 weeks.

I am looking for a pct that i can legaly buy in ireland.
So would anabolic extreme advanced pct be good enough or would i need more with it. nolva and all that are banned from coming through customs here.

so help please. i really appreciate it. thanx.

so it would look like this then i hope
week 1-8 epi (pulse)
week 8-12 jungle warfare or hyperdrolx2 (last day or 2 of epi)
week 8-12 PCT ( ) please fill in the blank. HAHa.
any help much appreciated. remember legal in ireland. thanx
 
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