Epi-andro vs Stano Lethargy

bigsmall

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Was using the following for 4 weeks:
Epi-andro 1000, 1-Andro 330, 4 Andro 150 (cutting cycle - using 4 Andro to combat lethargy)

All things the same, switched Epi-Andro to Alpha Gainz Stano @ 450mg for final 4 weeks - and notice more lethargy.

From other threads, it appeared that 450mg of Stano was about equal to 1000mg epi-andro.
Is their an explanation why I have gotten much more lethargic?
 
Did you use the Transdermal?

I assume you used sup3r epi and that has a liposomal delivery enhancement called ssedds. With the compounds otherwise being the same the td would have to be more than two times better.
 
Alpha Gainz Stano is not 100% Stano.

AG Stano is an EpiAndro / Stano mixture. I was told by a rep that it is 85% EpiAndro & 15% Stano.
Unless theyve changed the it recently, thats what it was when i ran it last year.

Real Stano (Androsterone) does cause some lethargy, because it has a positive effect on Gaba.
But that is usually only with higher doses and i couldnt see it being caused by AG Stano.

450mg x 15% = 67.5mg of Stano (Androsterone)
 
vujade said:
Alpha Gainz Stano is not 100% Stano.

AG Stano is an EpiAndro / Stano mixture. I was told by a rep that it is 85% EpiAndro & 15% Stano.
Unless theyve changed the it recently, thats what it was when i ran it last year.

Real Stano (Androsterone) does cause some lethargy, because it has a positive effect on Gaba.
But that is usually only with higher doses and i couldnt see it being caused by AG Stano.

450mg x 15% = 67.5mg of Stano (Androsterone)
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I will just claim again its just the dose epiandro wich was lowered whats at fault.
 
vujade said:
Alpha Gainz Stano is not 100% Stano.

AG Stano is an EpiAndro / Stano mixture. I was told by a rep that it is 85% EpiAndro & 15% Stano.
Unless theyve changed the it recently, thats what it was when i ran it last year.

Real Stano (Androsterone) does cause some lethargy, because it has a positive effect on Gaba.
But that is usually only with higher doses and i couldnt see it being caused by AG Stano.

450mg x 15% = 67.5mg of Stano (Androsterone)
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So I am only dosing about 382mg of epi-andro? If that is the case, then I am no where near 1000mg epi-andro and need to at least double the dose!
 
Im just gonna throw this out there. Any chance your lethargy is being caused by crashed estrogen? It takes about 3-4 weeks for your endogenous test to lower and with it your estrogen. You dont provide much to get that back in there. I got massive lethargy from epiandro because it was crashing my estrogen while paired with an AI (I was using a moderate test dose). I dropped the epiandro and my energy came right back.
 
bigsmall said:
So I am only dosing about 382mg of epi-andro? If that is the case,
then I am no where near 1000mg epi-andro and need to at least double the dose!
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This is correct..!


This is taken from their website..

Epiandrosterone 150 mg

(3a/B-Hydroxy-5a-androstan-17-one, as 500 mg epiandrosterone/cyclodextrin complex)

A = Androsterone (Stano)
B = EpiAndro
 
hazard12 said:
Im just gonna throw this out there. Any chance your lethargy is being caused by crashed estrogen? It takes about 3-4 weeks for your endogenous test to lower and with it your estrogen. You dont provide much to get that back in there. I got massive lethargy from epiandro because it was crashing my estrogen while paired with an AI (I was using a moderate test dose). I dropped the epiandro and my energy came right back.
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I will keep that in mind as I have been using a bit of formastane. First I will get back on track with the epiandro dose and see how I feel. ty.
 
most of the time, when taking DHT based prohormones or steroids, these will work
like an AI, and lower estrogen. So taking an additional AI is usually not needed.

I was able to run Trest @ 75mg per day with no estrogen sides while taking 1000mg
of EpiAndro. Just goes to show you how DHT can counter E2 sides ;)
 
vujade said:
most of the time, when taking DHT based prohormones or steroids, these will work
like an AI, and lower estrogen. So taking an additional AI is usually not needed.

I was able to run Trest @ 75mg per day with no estrogen sides while taking 1000mg
of EpiAndro. Just goes to show you how DHT can counter E2 sides ;)
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Yup, I actually finished killing off some gyno with epiandro haha
 
I saw an article mentioning running Stano and 4andro together...anyone think that would be a good idea with a DMZ cycle?

"An extremely good stack (for a test base) is a combination of both 4-AD and Stano. It attacks the steroidogenic pathway on both sides of the pendulum."

So do they just counteract each other? The Stano lowers estrogen while the 4-AD raises estro?
And if so, would adding both have a good effect on a cycle? Or become rather pointless?

Also, what would be a good dosage for each (while running a DMZ cycle)?
 
the old Stanodrol (like LGI Stano200) and Epi andro aren't the same thing, but from what i have read Epi Andro converts to real Stanodrol...correct?
 
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