EPG Epilean

[saggy321]

Hi guys,

Just seen this in the uk. Interested in people's thoughts. To a layman this looks like a decent formula for hardening up. Thoughts?

Epiandrosterone (3b-hydroxy-etioallocholan-17-one) 100mg **

Shred Blend: L-Carnitine, L-Tartrate,
Epicatechin, Androst 3,5-dien-7, 17-dione 250mg **

Accelerated Delivery Matrix Blend:Grapefruit (4:1 Extract), Bergamottin (6,7-dihydroxybergamottin) 200mg **
Black Pepper (P.E)

 

[yiaosen]

effective doses for LCLT start at sth like 500mg, ~2g seems to be a dosage many people like. epicatechin products tend to have >250mg -epi alone, so you can probably somewhat discount the shred blend. the bioavailability matrix looks like an ok addition, the main ingredient is stano and people tend to dose that at 300mg+, so in the end it comes down to whether or not this is significantly more expensive than just buying any other stano product.

but that being said, do you really want to take a prohormone just for 'hardening up' a bit? epiandro may not be the harshest one you can find out there, but still, why not just go the regular route of your choice of epro/inhibit-e/alphadex (and maybe stack some agmatine before your meals or take nitrates or sth if you want the looks). the whole idea of taking prohormones to cut fat or water has a really bad risk:benefit ratio if you ask me even with the milder ones, simply because the alternatives are comparatively much lower risk and the benefits are mostly temporary anyway if you are primarily after the 'hard muscle look' kind of stuff.

 

[saggy321]

Thanks man. You've raised some very good points especially about the amount of epi and LCLT. Fair point also about the using a prohormone for cutting when its not needed. May just hit an anti-e and anti-cortisol.

 

[Comeuppance]

I actually have two unopened bottles I was saving for October... Is it really that harsh? My understanding was that mildly-dosed epiandro was relatively benign as far as side effects. I mean, we're not talking epistane here.

I was looking for something less intense than DMZ for my next cycle after I finish up this natty recomp. Was Epilean a poor choice?

 

[yiaosen]

no it is not harsh at all as far as PHs go, especially since its target hormone is mainly DHT without it being methylated or anything. it is probably one of the mildest prohormones you will find overall... but it is still a PH and i think if you basically just want to lose water one should be asking the question if its really worth it to consider the PH route in general. in my opinion, even for fatburning it is generally not worth it to take that route for most people. even financially it rarely makes sense if you consider how much you pay per additional pound fat lost, since even pretty big a stack like alphamine/inhibit-e/burn24/growth factor xt or sth along those lines will cost you about as much money as a mild ph cycle and not really be less effective, without the same level of risk.

if you are someone who runs PHs regularly anyway though, i think epiandro is one of the best stackers out there and it will not add to the strain you put on your body from e.g. DMZ in any major way.
i do think, however, that the risk of damaging yourself in the long run is generally estimated to be lower than the reality looks like, but i may be biased since i do not hear the stories of all the people that don't get the livercancers my friend at the university clinic has to treat in people in their twenties. i dont think most of the guys who end up there are using even 1g of TUDCA with their fcking superdrol gummybears either, but then again, i do not know.