Endomorph Cutting

[Force of Green]

very true. I hope the ones I posted are to your liking - feel free to add your own.

I was responding to asianbabe's comment. Not saying you weight train in an ineffective way, but I will say - weight training at 85-90% of your VO2 max would be a helluva workout. And woudl certain be very catabolic in nature if done for a drawn out period of time.

best wishes on the independance day. Cheers for half days at work. I'm stuck here until the end of the day unfortunately.

Absolutely right. I think both of you guys are right in your own respects. When I train someone HIT or HIIT (mostly HIT), the workout portion is no longer than about 25 minutes! When I train myself, I always perform HIT and my workouts never sum over 35 minutes.
Example of my HIT weight workout:

1. Dumbell Shrugs (100 lbs each arm) - 50 reps is failure
2. Incline Bench Press (80 lb dumbells) - 15 reps is about failure
3. Pushups - failure is about 30 right after doing the incline press
4. Low Row (160 lbs) (cable)- 20 reps is about failure
5. Clean and Press (125 lbs) - 12 reps, then dropsetted to standing overhead press until failure
6. Lat Pulldown (mid-supinated grip) (150 lbs) - 15 reps is about failure
7. Single Leg, Leg Press (2 '45s' and 2 '25s') - 40 left, 40 right, 30 left, 30 right, 20 left, 20 right, 10 left, 10 right
8. Overhead tricep extensions (70 lbs) - failure is about 20 reps
9. Abs - 10 lb medicine ball crunches on slant board until failure, then upon failure hold at the peak contraction and perform 50+ torso twists

**The workout is done without rest unless someone gets in my way, in which case I find something else and jump on it or wait up to 45 seconds for it. This rarely happens. All exercises are based (1/2/3) concentric, pause, negative, type of motion execution. The last 1-2 reps may not have the best precision, but at which point my body is usually shaking and my eyes are starting to pop out.

* If I were to add exercises or sets to increase my TUL (time under load) and spend more unnecessary time in the gym, the workout would go from productive to catabolic, I'm sure. I've tried (a while ago) doing 15-20 minutes cardio afterwards and it was just working against me. These workouts should be between 20-30 minutes in my opinion (and a few others). After my workout, I immediately consume 60 grams or pure Oryx Goat Whey and 2 organic poptarts for 600 cals of PWO nutrition.

 

[dpatterson]

Look what I started. Damn. Ok guys enough is enough. To be honest we could argue this forever, there are always two sides to every story. So do you cardio in whatever style you want. As long as you keep doing it. Find something you enjoy that is not too boring that you will not get sick of and stick to it. We should all be polite enough to agree to disagree. There is really no point to keep arguing one way is better over the other...

While I am still considered a newbie I have read many of the post on this forum and have found the information very positive and very helpful. I have lost 35lbs so far by using several of the techniques mentioned in this thread.

From what I can tell it does not matter whether its HITT, HIT, Low Intensity Training, or even "It Worked for Me Training". Each of these work for someone at some point in there body transformation. I found that when I started I could not do the HIT or HIIT routines simply because I was too far out of shape and could not benefit from the very short times that I could stand. But I started at 290 and 30+%BF. Someone else may have started at a point where the High Intensity was more suited to their needs.

Also, from what I have been thru, my heart rate while at 290lbs would sky rocket during a 3.8 speed treadmill workout. I could stand doing maybe 10 to 15 minutes before I would fall out from exhaustion. Now 3.8 speed might get my heart rate in the 110's after the 10 minutes. I have to stay on 3.8 longer to get to where I feel like I am doing something. I have been monitoring my heart rate and since then I have been attempting to keep it in my Target range while doing Cardio.

So 1 hour on the Treadmill might give me the same workout time in my Target Heart Rate range as 20 minutes of HIIT. So which is better? I think thats what being debated here. I guess its like traveling down the road. Always 2 ways to get there. One may take longer but if thats what you want to do then get after it.

I like your comment about "As long as you keep doing it". I have many family members that need to get after it. Right now I do not care what they do as long as its something.