ELIMINATION OF ALL SIDES N SHUTDOWN

[qwestor]

With the guy that posted bloodwork... I did not see his pre bloodwork or how much epi he was taking during the pulse. He was banned immediately.

I have been using this stacked pulse since I learned about pulsing. If I remember right Dr D even said after his pulse his blood levels went from like 700 to 600. So there will be some shutdown, but minimal. I make sure I run a low dosed AI on off days to keep the test up. I do notice that over time my libido goes down and I have to come off the pulse. M1T. I tried pulsing that at 10mg x 3day/week. 2wks of that and I quit cause it seemed to tank my libido. Took longer to get a libido back from it too. I did see gains from it though. I remember blood tests stating it could put your test at 13 after only 4 days at 20mg. I have no bloodwork to show anything but occasionally I do bloodwork and it's always been good.
I'll stack a pulse just like I do a regular cycle. methyl with a non methyl. I also switch up methyls depending on my goals. Sometimes I want to bulk (m1,4)sometimes I want to lean up(epi) sometimes I want a libido boost(phera). I'll stack dht types with it. sometimes 2 methyls. I think I've read some methyls are milder than others. This is my favorite cycle so far. Slow easy gains I can keep with minimal shutdown. I will agree that stacking will create more sides than pulsing a single compound, but less than a full cycle. Stack pulsing is something you need to do your homework on.

OK...good post...u r basically on the path of STACK PULSING from your own independent n creative use of your personal feedback experiences..

perhaps you can share some cycle samples u have followed..n we can examine them as possibly something to build on..thanks

 

[Skigazzi]

:bryce:

Oh then by all means...Im convinced now that your theory will not stress my liver, reduce my test, or mess with my cholesterol levels..not ever 1% :thinking:

Thanks, good luck to everyone who pulses via the STACK methods then....I'll leave you be now qwestor.

 

[qwestor]

Oh then by all means...Im convinced now that your theory will not stress my liver, reduce my test, or mess with my cholesterol levels..not ever 1% :thinking:

Thanks, good luck to everyone who pulses via the STACK methods then....I'll leave you be now qwestor.

there u go again...

...never made any such claim...

.....stop misrepresenting something u obviously can't/won't understand ..n embarrassing yourself by demonstrating your inability to comprehend something beyond..."take 30 mgs of X every day for 4 weeks"....

...y don't u actually try reading what was written..beyond the post title...n some of the other posts here by people who have come to this on their own..n learn something

 

[qwestor]

FINGER on the PULSE

Beside calling it ..STACK PULSING...one can also refer to it as “customized pulsing”.or...”the thinking man's pulse”

again let me say...this rests on the shoulders of 2 practices that have a long-term established usage...i believe it provides the advantages of each..w the reasonable possibility of even greater sides/shutdown minimalization n greater growth returns because the program is not ..one size fits all...but rather is tailored by the individual to reflect his past experiences/results, current goals, n ongoing feedback during the cycle ..by either body feel, blood work..or both

we know strictly speaking before during n after (pct) blood-work is ideal..in the same way that abstinence is to birth control...BE RESPONSIBLE!

Now the template n the agents given above r a good plug n play match..the simplest most direct is the Chinese menu method..pick 1 from column A n 1 from column B....

M1T is a tuff one..universally agreed to b very harsh...maybe to b totally avoided...some have had no effects..(they r aware of)...n others will listen to no one n do it anyway..u r responsible for your choice after being warned

we r left w ..phera, m1,4add, epi.......n SD, tren, trena

DrD suggests w pulsing doses on the higher end can b used...i like the lower proven end..but allow for higher doses w “+” days n B days ..espec w 12 hr splits...which might b 1/3 hour before workout..1/3 2hrs after workout ...n 1/3 approx 12 hrs later ...so morning workout ..last dose at nite....evening workout last dose next morning

B days have a 2 day b4 n after cushion...but allow a nice strength tweak ..maybe plan heaviest days around A+ n B pulse days

cycle could run as long as 8-10 weeks ..depending on your read of yourself..if u r doing labs..do 1 ½ to 2/3 rds thru....during the cycle ..remember u r in charge...if u want u can substitute a B for an A day for instance...say feeling wet...strength is flattening...etc.....think..b responsive to what u r experiencing

u also have cycle support....6 bromo,,,formestane...etc to consider...but w the pulse..n switch from wet to dry..maybe u will b OK w.o. estro control

This is the simplest most direct intro...as u build in confidence n experience ..your informed creative
thinking can take u to many other rotation designs....good luck..stay safe...health comes first

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

3 x wk. Ergomax 40mg + Mdht 20mg for 6 wks. Leaned up and gained a few lbs. too many zits.

3 x wk m1,4 90mg + dht(prostanz or something like that) 20mg for 6 wks. Gained 5lbs, kind of soft weight though.

3 x wk 19nor 500mg + epistane 20mg for 7wks. Maintained weight, leaned up. Mainly did this to heal injuries. Killed libido and probably test too.

3 x wk Superdrol 30mg + 600mg 4ad(original) for 4wks. Gained 5lbs and leaned up. I always lose some superdrol weight though.

3 x wk superdrol 20mg + Pheraplex 20mg for 3wks. Gained size, libido was crazy.

I’m sure I’ve done others but can think of them right now. I always take 10mg of ATD on off days. Sometimes I forget to take a break and go straight into another cycle and can feel libido go down. I get addicted to pulsing. No labs done. Slow easy gains. I'm a hard gainer.

 

[onzero]

even for bro science, this is pretty unscientific.

honestly the only anabolic with a short enough half-life to pulse is Dbol, and it's been done and done and tried and tried, and it just doesn't work.

if anything you're going to increase sides, decrease gains, and getting just as shut down as you would doing a normal cycle.

most gear has much longer half-lives than Dbol, usually 12+hours which is too long for them to clear... in the mean time you have heavy fluctuations in hormones exacerbating sides, particularly those related to gynecomastia (as a side note, i've heard from almost everyone who's tried a pulse cycle that they reported symptoms of gyno)

a much better strategy is to pick a drug or combination of drugs, duration of cycle, and use ancillaries like hcg/hmg and a proper PCT to minimize the consequences of androgen shutdown.

also running a cycle "by feel" is foolish.

 

[qwestor]

ZERO SENSE

even for bro science, this is pretty unscientific.

honestly the only anabolic with a short enough half-life to pulse is Dbol, and it's been done and done and tried and tried, and it just doesn't work.

if anything you're going to increase sides, decrease gains, and getting just as shut down as you would doing a normal cycle.

most gear has much longer half-lives than Dbol, usually 12+hours which is too long for them to clear... in the mean time you have heavy fluctuations in hormones exacerbating sides, particularly those related to gynecomastia (as a side note, i've heard from almost everyone who's tried a pulse cycle that they reported symptoms of gyno)

a much better strategy is to pick a drug or combination of drugs, duration of cycle, and use ancillaries like hcg/hmg and a proper PCT to minimize the consequences of androgen shutdown.

also running a cycle "by feel" is foolish.

To quote a very wise man...in regard ..TO ALL OF THE ABOVE:

" ....even for bro science, this is pretty unscientific..."

I hope anyone reading that jaw-dropping jumble has enough sense to educate themselves on these forums away from such utter nonsense...frightening

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

Is it broscience to think that dbol is the only anabolic with a halflife less than 12hrs? There is bloodwork on here showing that superdrol will not shut you down as hard as M1T. They both shut you down but I'd rather start pct at 100 than 13.

 

[jbryand101b]

oral turinabol has a half life of about 12-16 hours.

pheraplex a half life of about 9 hrs.

sd has a half life of about 8hrs

epistan a half life of about 6hrs.

dbol has a half life of about 4-6 hours.

half lifes of steroids will very depending a number of factors, such as a persons metabolism, the health of their liver, ect.

there aren't alot of steroids legal or illegal with half lifes 12+hrs. and there are certainly more that are less than this. legal, and illegal.

 

[onzero]

shut down is not related to half-life necessarily...

for instance, Dbol, which has i believe the shortest half life of any oral anabolic, will shut you down much harder than many other drugs with other half lives.

i may have been incorrect in my assumption that most oral steroids have half-lives longer than 12 hours, either way, even at 6-8 hours it makes a pulse not all that effective and potentially worse than a standard cycle.

 

[qwestor]

A START

shut down is not related to half-life necessarily...


OK..that is true..at least

]i may have been incorrect [/B]in my assumption that most oral steroids have half-lives longer than 12 hours, either way, even at 6-8 hours it makes a pulse not all that effective and potentially worse than a standard cycle.

no not...."may have been"...YOU WERE WRONG....just as u were in much of your previous post...your admission is a start..please open your mind..explore something new..its not a threat..its an opportunity

"....either way, even at 6-8 hours it makes a pulse not all that effective and potentially worse than a standard cycle."

wrong..wrong again..do some reading on these boards ..then come back n admit it.. u cant simply state this as fact...that pulsing is ineffective n makes sides worse..its nonsense

 

[qwestor]

n as i believe u (jbrand) said earlier ...tren ~ 6hrs

 

[onzero]

no not...."may have been"...YOU WERE WRONG....just as u were in much of your previous post...your admission is a start..please open your mind..explore something new..its not a threat..its an opportunity

"....either way, even at 6-8 hours it makes a pulse not all that effective and potentially worse than a standard cycle."

wrong..wrong again..do some reading on these boards ..then come back n admit it.. u cant simply state this as fact...that pulsing is ineffective n makes sides worse..its nonsense

Ok man first of all chill the **** out!

I admitted I was wrong, calm down jesus christ. Actually telling me to go read around like I have absolutely no clue what I'm talking about, I mean you're taking it a little far... I know a lot about pharmacology, I'm in pharmacy school you dolt!

There's science supporting what I have said, as in medical journals that I have personally read... discussing plasma testosterone levels and the effects of exogenous androgens during various time intervals... a few different studies, if you want I can locate them hopefully link to them here!

I'm not just talking out of my ass... seriously, take a pill.

When internet steroid forums start carrying out double-blind placebo-controlled studies to validate the theories you have put forth then I think "doing some reading on these boards" will qualify as valid research.

Seriously, I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest with you here, so why don't YOU back up what you're saying with some kind of rational model, theory, or evidence based scientific hypothesis!

Then we can all read steroid forums and cure diabetes!

 

[qwestor]

THE PHUNNY PHARMA

Ok man first of all chill the **** out!

I admitted I was wrong, calm down jesus christ. Actually telling me to go read around like I have absolutely no clue what I'm talking about, I mean you're taking it a little far... I know a lot about pharmacology, I'm in pharmacy school you dolt!


Wait..i confused..???.....first u call me JC..then ..a dolt..blasphemer !!!


There's science supporting what I have said, as in medical journals that I have personally read...


oooooo..personally read.....well don't keep them a secret 007..break them out from under the bed w your hustler magazines n share them...the medical journals to b clear


discussing plasma testosterone levels and the effects of exogenous androgens during various time intervals... a few different studies, if you want I can locate them hopefully link to them here!



great ..actually from the start of the thread what i asked people to b generous enof to share..not just personal rants



I'm not just talking out of my ass... seriously, take a pill.



not just huh ??? guess your mouth n ass r having a dialogue..glad i m not there...this is close enof...make sure u don't confuse where u put your pills..oh n let me know how the charmin tastes..unless u "double dip"..then spare me



When internet steroid forums start carrying out double-blind placebo-controlled studies to validate the theories you have put forth then I think "doing some reading on these boards" will qualify as valid research.



duuuhhhh!!!!..i think we all know ..given our subject matter...d-b p-c studies on this will never happen...by default we have a massive collection of variously reliable independent anecdotal reports...empirical field data...that hopefully in the aggregate provide some basis to possibly make reasonable inferences to share collectively n guide us..hence the very purpose of a forum...if this limitation offends u ..n doesnt meet your exacting standards ..u r wasting your time here...go back under your bed...bring the flashlite...any lite will b of some help to u



Seriously, I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest with you here, so why don't YOU back up what you're saying with some kind of rational model, theory, or evidence based scientific hypothesis!

noooo.....p-l-e-a-s-e ...not that too...the way u shoot wildly w your statements...would never trust your aim either....

look read from the beginning of this thread..i said ..STACK PULSING...is just a THEORY...an idea..albeit one that rests on the foundations of 2 established practices..given the obvious research limitations...n given the nature n purpose of these forums...i shared/presented here to engender discussion..solicit experiences..engage in informative opinions ..not just shooting from the mouth..putting together some reasonable protocol/schedules...n having those willing to try them ..post logs on the results

this is what has always been done here


Then we can all read steroid forums and cure diabetes!


ok u r right..we r all stupid..these boards r a colossal waste of time ..we will wait for u..pharmacy student ..to save mankind...er when..n if... u do graduate ...how long do we have to wait ??

oh n just for the record ..u started w the name calling ..so take your own advice ..n chill the f*** out

 

[onzero]

the funny thing is, without any kind of experimental study, all of this is a complete waste of time.

anecdotes are good for ****tail parties, and that's just about it.

look, if you start a thread titled "ELIMINATION OF ALL SIDES N SHUTDOWN" expect your assertions to be challenged, I'm not making any revolutionary claims with what I say... but you certainly are and so far have provided nothing to support them... besides some bro-logic that is at best, completely full of holes and lacking in any real scientific basis.

The onus is on you my friend, not me... science is fundamentally rooted in skepticism.

And for the record, i'm quite calm, maybe you are as well, but you're typing everything in bold and not taking the time to use the english language, so how would I know?

 

[qwestor]

ok..as i said...your opinion is the shared info on these boards r a waste of time...just bro science..its all we can do under circumstances...since there is nothing of actionable use to you here..y r u...here ?..to keep us all in line ?

learn what a headline is about my friend..do u take everything so literally..like..BEST PRICES IN THE UNIVERSE

for the record ..I DIDN'T MAKE ..ASSERTIONS...i presented ideas n asked for intelligent feedback on them n community participation in their development...nothing dogmatic

no ...faith n superstition r tied up w skepticism..science is born of need n curiosity..n has a killer method to boot...we don't ..so we use what we have

actually yeah i overdo the bold....n i m trying hard to learn angleash..please don't judge me harshly

anyway..u r a good sport..thanks for opportunity to let me vent my sarcastic side..keeps me in shape...good luck to u in school..great field

 

[qwestor]

lil Miss Skigazzi got her panties in a bunch for my reprimand above ..n took out her red marker n subtracted -253 rep points...

....way to go ....mary

 

[survival]

would anyone here consider stacking a designer steroid with an old oral steroid?

something like 10mg or 20mg Anavar ED and pulsing Epistane 20mg or 30mg for 3 days a week EOD on training days?

Anavar has proven to be safe at 20mg during 12 weeks h t t p :// jap.physiology .org /cgi/content/abstract/96/3/1055

Epistane is very mild on side effects, specially when pulsing.

Example week:

day 1 (SUN) anavar
day 2 (MON) anavar + epistane : gym day
day 3 (TUE) anavar
day 4 (WED) anavar + epistane : gym day
day 5 (THU) anavar
day 6 (FRI) anavar + epistane : gym day
day 7 (SAT) anavar


Epistane has a big anabolic profile but lacks enough androgen properties to allow great mass building effects. Anavar is strongly androgenic with few side effects.

will they work good stacked?

to avoid nasty surprises clomid would make a good PCT.

a liver protector like liv52 would be a good bet.

i've been enjoying GURONSAN a lot (Caffeine 50,0 mg + Glucuronamide 20,0 mg + Ascorbic Acid (Vit. C) 500,0 mg ) for liver protection. never heard any thing about it in bb boards, but seems to work for me.

and the other usual cycle support supps.

Taking this stack a step further might mean adding EQ-Plex ( non methylated ) and/or a cortisol "inhibitor" like 7-oxo(?).


any opinions on this? any willing guinea-pigs?

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

Looks like a decent idea. but daily use of anavar would shut you down. that's why is suggested to pulse. If you are ok with the shutdown then pulsing on a cycle would minimize the shutdown.