Election 2004: Who are you voting for?

[Jeff]

There are no WMD's cause the inspectors were doing their job.

Wrong, sarin gas bombs count as WMD. Just seems odd that they found yellow cake in a scrap metal shippment from iraq to brussells, don't you think?

There are also terrorists in Iraq now, something which wasn't a problem in that country when Saddam ran it.

How do you know there weren't terrorists in iraq before the war, its not like they had an open society and extensive media coverage, there is well document proof that saddam was harboring terrorists and opened the flood gates when he knew the invasion was going to happen. Personally, I'd rather have them in Irag fighting our marines then have to worry about them on our soil.

If you ask me, the major winner in this war is Haliburton, not the Iraqi people, not the American people.

Find me another company that is in the same business as Haliburton, guess what you won't be able to. Haliburton has been in this business for a long time with no competition, I didn't see anybody complaining when Clinton used them in Bosnia (when Cheney was actually part of the company).

 

[CEDeoudes59]

Sadaam was completely uncooperative with UN Inspectors. Leading both Democrats and Republicans to vote for action in Iraq.

 

[bigmark1972]

I am definately going with Bush, I am a conservative but I do not agree with their "get tough stance on drugs" of bush's media hype fired war on PH. I also do not like his stance on illegal immigrants.
Current drug laws are a joke you get more time for getting caught selling a 1/4 pound of weed than for raping a 12 yo girl. I am also pro choice, but only very early, no partial birth stuff. Agree or disagree with me but what if your wife were raped by some animal, would you still feel the same?
IMO Kerry is just a typical politicial windbag, he has more money than God and from what I hear he is a real asshole in general. His opinions do not matter since they change at any given time anyhow. He is also the most liberal of all of them, just waiting for a chance to give away more of our hard earned money.

 

[DougMan]

haha kerry doesnt have near the treasure chest GWB does. Kerry flip flops on some issues but I would rather have someone that changed their mind sometimes then some ignorant cowboy. Bush has been flat out wrong a lot and yet has never admitted being wrong once. And if you think Cheney is looking out for your good you are mistaken. He cares about two things, power and more power. Well and by looking at him the occasionaly brownie.

I think it is funny that the bush camp questions John Kerry on defense. Thats like me questioning R Coleman on pre-contest diet. I may have read some on it and seen other peoples, but I really have no idea what I am talking about.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

haha kerry doesnt have near the treasure chest GWB does. Kerry flip flops on some issues but I would rather have someone that changed their mind sometimes then some ignorant cowboy. Bush has been flat out wrong a lot and yet has never admitted being wrong once. And if you think Cheney is looking out for your good you are mistaken. He cares about two things, power and more power. Well and by looking at him the occasionaly brownie.

Kerry doesn't need it he married into the Heinz fortune. (not that Bush doesn't come from money either) Kerry doesn't change his mind he simply can't answer any questions. " I voted for it before I voted against it". He said he threw his meddles over the fence. Then it was just his ribbons. The plain and simple fact is the guy can't answer a simple question or to put it another way he sure changes his mind allot.

I think it is funny that the bush camp questions John Kerry on defense. Thats like me questioning R Coleman on pre-contest diet. I may have read some on it and seen other peoples, but I really have no idea what I am talking about.

The reason they are questioning him on defense is because of his voting record. Kerry has consistently has not been on the side of the military and his record shows that. Kerry's solution to everything is to bow down to the UN. He said that he thought our troops should be under control of the UN. So the guy obviously doesn't think too much about American sovereignty. Despite Bush's many faults at least if he believes there is a threat to America he won't wait around for the UN'S permission to do anything. One of the reasons the UN didn't back us was the oil for food scandal that very few media outlets are reporting on.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

And if you think Cheney is looking out for your good you are mistaken. He cares about two things, power and more power.

I think you would find that to be true of most politicians including Kerry.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

after the most recent events in Iraq, Reagans passing, and the exposure of the bias media on issues (Abu-Grave, 9/11 Commishion findings) in this country - i dont see how kerry can win.
moreso, I can't see how Bush can't win.
thats my opinion.

 

[Nullifidian]

Bush is really bad for our country. I'm sorry to say it but he is. I thought more highly of him than Gore but since then I've come to regret that decision.

I don't like Kerry either, but I feel Bush has to be defeated.

I'm voting for General Wesley Clarke. Hopefully he'll be Kerry's VP pick. If not, then I guess I'll be writing in my vote. Clarke is better qualified than ANY of the political candidates to do what is necessary to handle Iraq properly. He also isn't a waffler like Kerry is.

 

[skeptical]

To all of the Bush Loyalists:

Among 50,000,000 other reasons why you should reconsider supporting Bush, don't forget who's signature is going to be on the bill banning our supplements in about a month or so.

 

[LCSULLA]

God spare me from fools. Kerry stood shoulder to shoulder with Hanoi Jane. The same bi%^h that got quite a few vetrens killed in the Vietnam War. So go ahead a vote him in and see what happens. He'll flip-flop on the war, we'll run with our tails between our legs and the whole world will call us "paper tigers". All posturing, no balls. All those soldiers that died will mean dick! And if other countries don't fear the wrath of GOD that we can bring...then your children will pay the price. Kerry running the country will be like Dinkins run of New York, a disaster.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

To all of the Bush Loyalists:

Among 50,000,000 other reasons why you should reconsider supporting Bush, don't forget who's signature is going to be on the bill banning our supplements in about a month or so.

regardless, if Bill Clinton, John Kerry, or Ronald Reagan were in office - that bill would be signed.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Among 50,000,000 other reasons why you should reconsider supporting Bush, don't forget who's signature is going to be on the bill banning our supplements in about a month or so.


regardless, if Bill Clinton, John Kerry, or Ronald Reagan were in office - that bill would be signed.

I really wish people would stop blaming Bush for the prohormone ban. It has bipartisan suport. It's not like it's only the republicans. Kerry would sign it too.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Bush is really bad for our country. I'm sorry to say it but he is. I thought more highly of him than Gore but since then I've come to regret that decision.

Why do you think he's bad for our country?

 

[CEDeoudes59]

Vanilla Gorilla - how do you see the election going?

2 months ago - I thought Kerry had a VERY legitimate chance.
Since, 3 beheadings, Reagans passing, progress in Iraq, positive economic news, and liberal media being exposed on Abu Ghaib, 9/11 Commishion bias - has me thinking Bush shouldn't have a problem.

 

[Jeff]

Kerry is even taking a lot of heat from the DNC for spending some time at his home in Nantucket. Not exactly the "common working man" image the Dems go after.

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Bush is really bad for our country. I'm sorry to say it but he is.

No, radical islam is bad for our country. We didn't start this ****, but by god I want a guy in office who will finish it.

 

[jbrave4]

Kerry. I am 18 years old, if Bush is reelcted it is almost certain the draft will be reimplemented. I love my country, and i support the soilers in the Middle East, but I am not willing to fight for this cause. I am 100% against it. It's a fake war that Bush created.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Vanilla Gorilla - how do you see the election going?

It think Bush will prob. will win baring something horrible happing such as another terror attack, the war going really downhill, or Kerry picking Hillary or John McCain as his VP.
I have said it before but if Hillary isn't on the ticket Kerry is fighting Bush and the DNC.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

It's a fake war that Bush created.

Can you offer some evidence to this or are you just parroting Michael Moore and the rest of the far left?

 

[LCSULLA]

Kerry. I am 18 years old, if Bush is reelcted it is almost certain the draft will be reimplemented. I love my country, and i support the soilers in the Middle East, but I am not willing to fight for this cause. I am 100% against it. It's a fake war that Bush created.

Yeah you support the troops. You support them so much....from the rear. Kid there has not been a war ever, that somewhere someone said that there was an angle to it. Now ever asshole has a mouthpeice so kids like you think "I 'am special, I deserve...., the world owes me." The world owes you dick. Your not special to the world. And as for the draft, it will never happen. No one will vote for it.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Kerry is even taking a lot of heat from the DNC for spending some time at his home in Nantucket. Not exactly the "common working man" image the Dems go after.

It doesn't help that his wife is worth 500 mil. either

 

[VanillaGorilla]

2 months ago - I thought Kerry had a VERY legitimate chance.
Since, 3 beheadings, Reagans passing, progress in Iraq, positive economic news, and liberal media being exposed on Abu Ghaib, 9/11 Commishion bias - has me thinking Bush shouldn't have a problem.

I don't think it's going to be a cake walk like some have predicted. Kerry has too many problems like the inability to answer a simple question and he has the Al Gore Wooden syndrome. They would have been better off going with someone else like Lieberman or Edwards. The problem is in order to get the nomination you have to take a left wing stance on many issues to appease the left base of the dems, so Leiberman didn't have a chance. After they get the nomination they pretend they have been centrist all along and the press of coarse lets them get away with it.

 

[Nullifidian]

Lieberman never had a chance because much of this country is so anti-semitic that they look at Lieberman and the only thing crossing their mind is that he's Jewish.

Edwards as Pres and Clarke as VP would have been the absolute best ticket the Dems could have picked. Clarke is a solid guy with solid views and a military track record that says he can get us through the conflict in Iraq well. Edwards has the charm and charisma needed to win the presidency.

Kerry still has hope though. Hillary would be the absolute worst choice in existance. There are SOOOOOOO many people who hate her guts. I personally wouldn't vote at all in the election if she were picked as his runningmate. Kerry needs someone who the right wing identifies with. There are a lot of Republicans and centrists who are unhappy with Bush but don't like Kerry's views (what ARE Kerry's views???).

As for John McCain ... wtf? John McCain is a republican. He supports Bush. Why in god's name would he have anything to do with Kerry?

 

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Defense Secretary William Cohen fired Clark as NATO commander three months before his term was to expire.

 

[Jeff]

There are a lot of Republicans and centrists who are unhappy with Bush but don't like Kerry's views

If there is anything worse then a tax-and-spend demorat it's a tax-and-spend republican. Alot of Repubs are pissed because it doesn't appear that Bush is for a smaller government. But we can worry about that once they bring me Osama's head on a stick.

 

[Jeff]

Clark only declared himself a Democrat this past August. Why the decision to run as a Democrat? A hint can be found in a recent Newsweek article. After 9/11, Clark had expected the Bush Administration to enlist him in their “war on terror.�

“After all, he'd been NATO commander … and the investment firm he now worked for had strong Bush ties. But when GOP friends inquired, they were told: forget it. Word was that Karl Rove, the president's political mastermind, had blocked the idea. Clark was furious. [Clark] happened to chat with two prominent Republicans, Colorado Gov. Bill Owens and Marc Holtzman. . . . "I would have been a Republican," Clark told them, "if Karl Rove had returned my phone calls." Soon thereafter, in fact, Clark quit his day job and began seriously planning to enter the presidential race -- as a Democrat. Clark late last week insisted the remark was a "humorous tweak." The two others said it was anything but. "He went into detail about his grievances," Holtzman said. "Clark wasn't joking. We were really shocked.� (Newsweek, September 29, 2003)

Hmmmm, sound's like Clarke was playing the left just out of spite.

And let’s not forget that as Supreme Commander of NATO, Clark led an undeclared war against Serbia that was never approved by the UN. Before the Kosovo War commenced in March 1999, Clark repeatedly called for US air strikes against Serbia.

And the left is complaing about Iraqi operational legitamacy (even though there are a number of resolutions) for what reason....

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Lieberman never had a chance because much of this country is so anti-semitic that they look at Lieberman and the only thing crossing their mind is that he's Jewish.

Lieberman couldn't get the democratic nomination because he is too conservative and is unwilling to appeal to the democratic party's base to get the nomination. It's not because he's Jewish or because of anti Semitism.

Edwards as Pres and Clarke as VP would have been the absolute best ticket the Dems could have picked. Clarke is a solid guy with solid views and a military track record that says he can get us through the conflict in Iraq well. Edwards has the charm and charisma needed to win the presidency.

Clark ordered troops to attack Russians in Serbia. They refused not wanting to start WW3. He is not a solid guy. He was surrounded by Clintons people as well. This led some to speculate that Clark got into the race to Knock out Dean out or down a few notches who at the time was the front runner.

Kerry still has hope though. Hillary would be the absolute worst choice in existance. There are SOOOOOOO many people who hate her guts. I personally wouldn't vote at all in the election if she were picked as his runningmate. Kerry needs someone who the right wing identifies with. There are a lot of Republicans and centrists who are unhappy with Bush but don't like Kerry's views (what ARE Kerry's views???).

The problem is the Clintons control the DNC and Hillary wants to be president. If Kerry wins and she isn't on the ticket her chance to be president evaporates. So you can look for the Clintons to do things to undermine Kerry like come out with a book and go on a book tour right before the election. This takes the lime light off Kerry.

As for John McCain ... wtf? John McCain is a republican. He supports Bush. Why in god's name would he have anything to do with Kerry?

McCain doesn't like Bush. This has been thrown around for about a month or so. His name keeps being put out there. The thing is he could end it really fast by saying something negative about Kerry but he doesn't. It's probably a case of being a media whore and he likes to see himself on TV and his name in the paper. That being said if McCain accepted the VP position the press would get so exited they would wet themselves causing most news agencies to be propaganda machines (more than they all ready are) for the ticket.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

There are a lot of Republicans and centrists who are unhappy with Bush but don't like Kerry's views (what ARE Kerry's views???).

So far as I can tell Kerry views are increase taxes, increase government social programs, try to get socialized medicine passed, and ask the UN's permission for everything.

 

[Iron Warrior]

To all of the Bush Loyalists:

Among 50,000,000 other reasons why you should reconsider supporting Bush, don't forget who's signature is going to be on the bill banning our supplements in about a month or so.

The same would happen regardless of whose is charge IMO, they've been trying to get andro banned before Bush was elected. It just may have happened a little later though.

 

[jweave23]

So far as I can tell Kerry views are increase taxes, increase government social programs, try to get socialized medicine passed, and ask the UN's permission for everything.

yeah that sounds about right :frustrate:

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[VanillaGorilla]

yeah that sounds about right :

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There is a reliable source of information. Bubba said he would cut middle class taxes when he was running for president and ended up raising them. What a politician says during an election year and actually does are two different things. Kerry voted for NAFTA,GATT, and WTO and now he's concerned about the out sourcing of American jobs? He has one of the most liberal voting records in the senate now he's going to cut corporate taxes? That coupled with his absolute inability to answer a simple question should lead anyone not to trust him. He couldn't answer the question of if he owned an suv, his famous "I voted for it before I voted against it" quote, and he continuously gave conflicting answers on what he actually threw over the fence. Some times he said he threw his medals over and sometimes he threw his ribbons over. On the war all he does is critics Bush and offer no plan that he has other than to go to the UN which we now now have some problems with the oil for food scandal.
I'm an internationalist," Kerry told The Harvard Crimson 10 months after returning home from Vietnam. "I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."

 

[jweave23]

There is a reliable source of information. Bubba said he would cut middle class taxes when he was running for president and ended up raising them. What a politician says during an election year and actually does are two different things. Kerry voted for NAFTA,GATT, and WTO and now he's concerned about the out sourcing of American jobs? He has one of the most liberal voting records in the senate now he's going to cut corporate taxes? That coupled with his absolute inability to answer a simple question should lead anyone not to trust him. He couldn't answer the question of if he owned an suv, his famous "I voted for it before I voted against it" quote, and he continuously gave conflicting answers on what he actually threw over the fence. Some times he said he threw his medals over and sometimes he threw his ribbons over. On the war all he does is critics Bush and offer no plan that he has other than to go to the UN which we now now have some problems with the oil for food scandal.
I'm an internationalist," Kerry told The Harvard Crimson 10 months after returning home from Vietnam. "I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."

1. I agree that that is not an impartial "source", that is blatantly obvious. We have little to go on right now though, so to say he doesn't have a stance or one cannot find out his opinion on issues is completely incorrect. What he may or may not do after a possible win no one can tell. His voting history may provide some clues, but then again maybe not.

As far as Cliton raising taxes, let me say this: I am so damn sick of the right thinking that paying taxes is the worst possible thing to happen to citizens, it's ridiculous. For some reason it seems the rhetoric is that taxes should be the absolute lowest possible, ya know, even if we are trying to fund a major war let's lower them because that will look great to voters, and spur spending, LOL. Look how well it worked Reagan tried it in the early 80's with mild success at first (and no fucking war to fund) and then the economy went to **** anyway a few years later. I am definitely a fan of lower taxes, but I'll take a stronger overall economy anyday. Just a quick article I always like, although I'm sure it can be argued both ways, just as everything else in politics Invalid Link Removed


2. I also agree that some of his statements have been wishy-washy, and it's unfortunate he decides to word them so because that is easy fodder for right-wingers to grapple on to and ride. I'm not the world's biggest Kerry fan by any means, but consider him a better alternative than Bush by leaps and bounds. I'd rather have someone who is capable of critical thinking and consideration of circumstance than a blind, one channel director who praises himself on being "consistent" and "sticking with it". Bush has been very successful at pushing through shitty policies and sticking with them, but they're still shitty policies IMHO. You can't polish a terd :lol:

I won't get into nitty gritty details with you, I don't have the time or patience to research anything either one of us can dig up, so if I see something as grossly absurd as your above statement I may chime in. Please carry on :run:

 

[VanillaGorilla]

1. I agree that that is not an impartial "source", that is blatantly obvious. We have little to go on right now though, so to say he doesn't have a stance or one cannot find out his opinion on issues is completely incorrect. What he may or may not do after a possible win no one can tell. His voting history may provide some clues, but then again maybe not.

It is not completely incorrect to say he doesn't have a stance or an opinion on issues. He is constantly contradicting himself and talking out of both sides of his mouth. For example his main theme has been the Bush Administration is totally mismanaging the war in Iraq, yet on his web site his plan for Iraq is pretty similar to what the Bush administration is doing now. The fact is the man can not or will not give a straight answer on any thing. If he can answer a simple question on if he owns an SUV he isn't going to be able to answer tough and more important questions in the future.

I am so damn sick of the right thinking that paying taxes is the worst possible thing to happen to citizens, it's ridiculous. For some reason it seems the rhetoric is that taxes should be the absolute lowest possible, ya know, even if we are trying to fund a major war let's lower them because that will look great to voters, and spur spending, LOL. Look how well it worked

The revolutionary war was fought because of taxes. You don't think high taxes are a big deal, try having a family and making 30-40k a year. You make 30k and the government takes at least 10. Then you have state income tax and various other ones that puts the tax rate to 40 - 50 percent. That is way too much.

Reagan tried it in the early 80's with mild success at first (and no fucking war to fund) and then the economy went to **** anyway a few years later. I am definitely a fan of lower taxes, but I'll take a stronger overall economy anyday. Just a quick article I always like, although I'm sure it can be argued both ways, just as everything else in politics Invalid Link Removed

First of all you can not blame Regan. He cut taxes but guess who wouldn't cut spending? The democratic controlled senate wouldn't cut spending. So it's totally unfair to Blame Regan for the deficit. The economy was pretty good under Regan. High taxes does not equate to a good economy. The more money that is kept in the public sector the better. For the most part all the government does is waste money on social programs that don't work. Also Slate magazine is to the left of Lenin.

2. I also agree that some of his statements have been wishy-washy, and it's unfortunate he decides to word them so because that is easy fodder for right-wingers to grapple on to and ride. I'm not the world's biggest Kerry fan by any means, but consider him a better alternative than Bush by leaps and bounds. I'd rather have someone who is capable of critical thinking and consideration of circumstance than a blind, one channel director who praises himself on being "consistent" and "sticking with it". Bush has been very successful at pushing through shitty policies and sticking with them, but they're still shitty policies IMHO. You can't polish a terd

His statements have been a hell of a lot more than wishy washy. He contradicts himself and tries to lie without the talent of Bill Clinton. I voted for it before I voted against it....... what does that even mean? Senator Kerry what did you do with your medals from Viet Nam? One day it's I threw them over the fence and the next day he just threw the ribbons over. You right there is someone who is capable of critical thinking and consideration of circumstance or someone who can't remember what lie he told. So I take it then you don't support Kerry's position on the War in Iraq? because on his web site he has basically the same plan as Bush's. It's funny though, most of his platform has been criticizing bush on the War. It's not fodder for right wingers, it's just he comes from the Al gore school of politics or in other words he's a really bad politician.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I won't get into nitty gritty details with you, I don't have the time or patience to research anything either one of us can dig up, so if I see something as grossly absurd as your above statement I may chime in. Please carry on

nothing is more absurd than this statement "I'm an internationalist," Kerry told The Harvard Crimson 10 months after returning home from Vietnam. "I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."
I guess he doesn't think very much of the constitution or for American sovereignty.

 

[jweave23]

nothing is more absurd than this statement "I'm an internationalist," Kerry told The Harvard Crimson 10 months after returning home from Vietnam. "I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."
I guess he doesn't think very much of the constitution or for American sovereignty.

If you really want to pick at every quote out of a man's mouth, take a look at a select few if Bush's quotes:

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[houseman]

If you really want to pick at every quote out of a man's mouth, take a look at a select few if Bush's quotes:

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I don't remember a time when I've laughed this hard.

Oh god my tummy hurts! Good ****!!!!

 

[VanillaGorilla]

If you really want to pick at every quote out of a man's mouth, take a look at a select few if Bush's quotes:

I am sure you can find many of them but I am not a big Bush Jr. fan

 

[VanillaGorilla]

If you really want to pick at every quote out of a man's mouth, take a look at a select few if Bush's quotes:

It's funny but none of the quotes compare to the Kerry one. Bush said some dumb things but saying that American troops should be totally under the control of the UN is a treasonous statement.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

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It's nice your concerned about all of Bushes problems.They really don't have very much information on Kerry but quit a bit on Bush. I guess they will be updating because they had allot on Gore/ Clinton. Lets see they call him a daddies boy but I bet they wouldn't call Al Gore that. His dad was a rich senator and Al came from a privileged home just like Bush. Then he has some other problems Invalid Link Removed
As for Draft dodging are you upset that Clinton did it? Al Gore went to Viet Nam but spent half the time a normal person would and had a body guard. Since Bush lied under oath is it safe to assume you're against Clinton too? Allot of people made a big deal about the coke allegations on Bush but there are allegations about Clinton too. It's
funny you didn't see that on 60 minutes. Bush has been in some sleazy business deals....... those evil republicans! Oh wait................. damn forgot about white water and that problem of a boat load of money coming in from China.
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Off topic but I thought this quote from Hillary Clinton would kick up some debate:

Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

 

[CEDeoudes59]

I think democrats are regretting not nominating John Edwards as their presidential canidate. Not that Kerry is a complete bust - but I think that Kerry should be more popular than he is. Given the past few months where Bush's approval was at an all-time low, Kerry didn't really capitalize. His entire "attack" campaign people really aren't buying anymore. In the time of war - its being seen as irresponsible. Many people still 'outraged' at the president will be voting for Kerry (or against Bush) no matter what.

But like I said before, I don't think the mainstream buys into John Kerry (even in Bush's worst days). I'm bias, however, I will admit.
But that's my opinion....

 

[CEDeoudes59]

Off topic but I thought this quote from Hillary Clinton would kick up some debate:

Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

hey sounds good on paper, but so did Karl Marx

 

[Iron Warrior]

Off topic but I thought this quote from Hillary Clinton would kick up some debate:

Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Reminds me of how they're gonna take away our PH's for "the common good."

I wouldn't vote for her based on her track record of hiking up taxes more than necessary, I'd like my $$$ in my pocket so I can buy supps, which has a trickle down effect of boosting the economy.

I'm not against taxes cause I like having a police force, a fire dept., military etc., but I don't wanna get hacked for more $$$ than I should be getting hacked for.

 

[PC1]

As a Republican I'm definitely inclined to vote along those lines unless I have a problem with a R candidate. But I have to say that Kerry is just SOOOOOOO uninspiring. I respect him for his service in Vietnam. But as a politician, he has no real accomplishments to speak of. This election is all about Bush. People are either for or against him.

Kerry's main slogan during the primary season was that he was the dem who could beat Bush in November. Why? Because of his record of service in opposing a war time president.

That ultimately gave him traction through the primary. But other than that, and other than being a liberal democrat, what is his appeal to anyone who's NOT a liberal democrat? None whatsoever, other than he's an alternative to Bush.

The guy just has no charisma, and frankly, the entire election is going to be a big yawn. The only saving grace to the whole process (insofar as boredom goes anyway) will be watching our liberal press continue to do their damndest to get Bush out of office.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

i think Bush is going to crush Kerry in the debate. Bush isn't the best public speaker but Kerry isn't the type who can win a debate.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Well she pretty much admitted that she's a socialist. Did she really say that?

 

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Well she pretty much admitted that she's a socialist. Did she really say that?

Yes she really said it during a fundraiser in San Francisco. It is blatantly in the direction of socialism. There are numerous economic trends/views among politicians that show movement in this direction.

Here is a link to the article:
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[VanillaGorilla]

I think the Michael Moore factor is also going to hurt Kerry. A few people think that Dude were is my cheese burger is this non biased non partisan guy but he's not. Many people think he hurt Clark by supporting him. Then you have the Mayor of Washington(?)saying he was more worried about bush than Al Queda. The far left have been very vocal which will hurt Kerry more than it helps him. That being said I still think it's going to be closer than most people are anticipating.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Yes she really said it during a fundraiser in San Francisco. It is blatantly in the direction of socialism. There are numerous economic trends/views among politicians that show movement in this direction.

That is the definition of socialism. I wonder if that is going to make it onto the 6 pm news.lol

 

[CEDeoudes59]

I think the Michael Moore factor is also going to hurt Kerry. A few people think that Dude were is my cheese burger is this non biased non partisan guy but he's not. Many people think he hurt Clark by supporting him. Then you have the Mayor of Washington(?)saying he was more worried about bush than Al Queda. The far left have been very vocal which will hurt Kerry more than it helps him. That being said I still think it's going to be closer than most people are anticipating.

I agree, Moore and the rest of the fat hippies don't attract voters.

 

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Discussion is stirring about Kerry adding Hillary Clinton, who made the socialist comments, as his VP candidate.
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