Ecdysterone?
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ChuckRD
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One thing to note is that it is a very controlled envirenment bacause I do all their diets since they are cutting edge clients. The most noted increase is strength and muscle hardness, wheter on GAIN LBM or Reduce body fat. My females have gained anywhere from 4-8 lbs in 8-10 weeks on a gain while maintaining or losing small % bodyfat. The guys, well they are guys so they grow a bit more yet burn more body fat. Most impressive was a male volleyball athlete. in 12 weeks went from 156 (6% - very lanky) to 172 (6% - solid). Vertical, strength moves, spike force all increased and speed training reduced in time (got quicker).Robboe said:
natiels
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It's not like you need to be a multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical to synthesize a product. A good portion of the ph's and aas products released over the past couple of years had to be synthesized from scratch and the companies that made them were still able to sell those products for $30-$40 a bottle and make money.Derek_aka_Beast said:
I think CDB has a good point about the quality and benefits of a synthesized product.
CDB
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Derek_aka_Beast said:
Believe me, I've been looking at Chinese chemical houses for a while now with no intent of importing anything illegal. Just weird ideas, checking to see how much it would actually be to source them to try them out. Maybe I just need a few beakers and chemistry set in the garage. The **** i'd try though, I'd probably get the attention of the NSA, FBI and DHS real quick. Depolymerizing my neighbor's swing set so his kids will shut up for once would be a good way to start.
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undecipherable
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Any views on the following?
- Would you cycle this stuff, or could you just stay on it?
- If it doesn't screw with HTPA, could you use it directly following, or even during PCT? Or would it affect other parts of your system such that you'd still want to take a break after PCT?
ChuckRD
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I am a big fan of cycling most supplements. ECDY however has shown no indication of increasing test production or anything negative to any hormone production. I would recommend 8-10 weeks on and 1-3 off just so the body does not "potentially" become ammune to it. Cannot prove this, just a thought and a method I use. As for PCT, sure you could but it will not have any direct effect on test levels. May have positive effect on strength and maintaining mass that was built during a cycle.undecipherable said:
sandman
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ChuckRD said:
Chuck,
I just ordered two bottles of Anagen and plan to use the Scivation dosing protol relative to my bodyweight of 198lbs. I'm 40 years old, and currently at ~ 12%BF.
I'm already employing a high protein diet and want to use Anagen to facilitate body recomp. Based on what you've seen so far, can you quantify a swag on what to expect from Anagen, in terms of Recomp effects?
Much obliged for the insight! Cheers
ChuckRD
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I know its our product and I have been using ECDY on athletes for the last 4 years but I started 2.5 weeks ago and the last week I reached weights I have never touched. NO BS. I up'd my protien 7 g per meal so total 49 grams increase per day and I been taking 1 cap with first 5 meals. Other than the strength gain, I have put on 2 lbs and the muscle density is HARD. NOt on th soft side but rock hard. I love this product.sandman said:
undecipherable
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Would love for this stuff to work, but my experience with ecdysterone thus far has been negative. I've been eating ecdysten like candy (3 pills 3 times per day, 4 times per day on workout days), almost done with my 2nd bottle and no results to speak of. Cals are clean and high (maybe even a little too high).
At least I feel healthy, even if it's not doing anything -- By contrast some of these methyls have made me feel like death.
At least I feel healthy, even if it's not doing anything -- By contrast some of these methyls have made me feel like death.
bioman
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I'm into my first 8 days on Thermolife's ecdysten and am liking it so far. Pumps have been good in the gym but no real strength gains as of yet. The most noticable thing is a big increase in endurance. I just had to do 2 days worth of surveying in rugged terrain and I breezed through it pretty easily. This is significant because I don't do hardly any cardio all winter when I bulk so I am not conditioned for it at the moment.
Muscles seem fuller. Dosing a 2 pills, 3 times per day.
Muscles seem fuller. Dosing a 2 pills, 3 times per day.
undecipherable
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bearmeat said:
I also used Thermolife's Ecdysten. Who knows, maybe I'll suddenly get real fat the day after I run out. In either case, I don't think I'll be purchasing a 3rd bottle.
undecipherable
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sandman said:
No, I was not impressed, your mileage may vary.
I added it to my PCT, am taking 3 capsules 3 times a day 30mins before my primary b/l/d meals, sometimes 4 times a day (if pre-workout). 190#, avg. kCals/day has been 3564 over the last week with no cardio.
I am going to try some of the USPLabs stuff next, which is also supposed to be non-hormonal, play with that for a while .
sandman
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undecipherable said:
Thanks for the feedback. I'm test driving Anagen (started today) currently. I'm trusting/hoping that the increased per cap dosing will be effective. I'm going to go with 5 caps/day (i.e.500mg)...We'll see. I had some good success with Camphibolic over a 12 wk period. I definitely leaned out without dieting and noticed that it did inhibit fat gain when I was overly indulgent in my diet. cheers
xtraflossy
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CDB said:
No appoligies,.. I have read that the amount of time the compound remains active is VERY short.
If you methylate it, gains will come :study:
I have been thinking this the past few weeks. I wonder who no one has done it yet...
xtraflossy
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Reggin said:
Please dont quote me, but I think I remember something like 20 min! I'll try to confirm. But it was REALLY short lasting,..
natiels
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heh, I just quoted youxtraflossy said:
. I also heard something like 13 mins once. I don't remember where but when I first started getting into supps I did a lot of research on ecdy and that was one of the figures I came accross. I kinda thought methylation only had the oral bioavailability effect on certain compounds and especially hormonal ones. Maybe that is why nobody has done it.
Reggin
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The only time I've come across this is in that Dermasize product where they promote ECDY use transdermally, and quote a ridiculous half-life like 22 minutes or something.
I have a study that says the half-life is several hours. Somewhere in the range of 4-6, if I remember correctly.
I have a study that says the half-life is several hours. Somewhere in the range of 4-6, if I remember correctly.
Bildo_21
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I took oral ecdysterone @ 1,000mg a day during a bulk cycle and it didnt do crap. Then legal gear came out with their transdermal stuff so i figured I'd try that to help keep my gains form an M1-P/Masterdrol cycle. 2 applications a day am & pm, and it seemed to help alot, i only lost like 2 lbs. in the 6 weeks between my bulk and cutting cycle.
xtraflossy
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I got some of SCI-FIT's Ecty, has 60 caps, 300mg EACH, and less then $23.00!! I know I can get powder, but Im guessing this stuff will be the base of many products to come here soon, so Im looking at dosing at least a gram daily, to see if I get any results (log comming). If I dont get anything from this, I dont think I'll buy into of the new herbal stuff unless some of the other additives are effective and/or the dosing is crazy high, or improved half life.
I would like to make a transdermal, with 25 grams of powder and see what that does. It would be my first time making anything like that, but I think it sounds pretty straight forward.
Just some thoughts
I would like to make a transdermal, with 25 grams of powder and see what that does. It would be my first time making anything like that, but I think it sounds pretty straight forward.
Just some thoughts
jjohn
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The only prob. with scifit's ecdy is that it doesn't do crap 
Sorry, but if it's unopened, you prob. can still return it. We ordered 2 bottles each(me and my friends) and no one saw anything. 3/3 fails = complete junk. I am now on x-factor and ecdysten and will post my log soon(bought gold member and want some points for it 
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Sorry to break your hope.
Sorry, but if it's unopened, you prob. can still return it. We ordered 2 bottles each(me and my friends) and no one saw anything. 3/3 fails = complete junk. I am now on x-factor and ecdysten and will post my log soon(bought gold member and want some points for it )Sorry to break your hope.
xtraflossy
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jjohn said:The only prob. with scifit's ecdy is that it doesn't do crap
Sorry to break your hope.
Actually, taqking 3 a day in addition to maybe another supp that had it in there (so around 1.5 grams) seemed to be doing something. I put on a little weight, but had to stop for some reason... (forgot what it was though.. I logged it here somewhere to!)