Ecdysterone?

i took ecdy stacked with methoxy and ipraflavone. worked very well for me. methoxy and ipraflavone are anabolic and nutritient uptaking substances. it was a stack called methoxy pro, 2 serving a day after my workout and i put on around 2-3 pounds a week for 6 weeks. good diet, good strength gains, good definintion. my conclusion is that a stack of ecdy, methoxy and ipraflavone taken at the same time after workouts did a decent amount of protein equals great results for being a non sterodial substance and very safe. im guessing that is what sciative or whoever is stacking with her ecdy product.
 
i believe ecdysterone is the extract from rhampticum carthomides. sorry my spelling is alil off but i cant remember the exact spelling but it is very close. i heard of people stacking it with rodela rosea extract as well, all tho i am not sure why.
 
ooo and yes there are already producty of ecdy and ecdy stacks out and have been out for awhile, however the only 2 i found to be effective where methoxy pro and animal m stack. methoxy pro was the better of the 2 but like i said i took 2 servings a day.
 
lilman said:
i believe ecdysterone is the extract from rhampticum carthomides. sorry my spelling is alil off but i cant remember the exact spelling but it is very close. i heard of people stacking it with rodela rosea extract as well, all tho i am not sure why.
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For the adaptogenic effects, its just that Rhodiola needs to be in doses over 50mg per day. I like methoxy as well, the only problem is it needs to be high dosed as well and the cost of the material is rediculous.
 
ChuckieRD said:
This is 60% cyanotis vaga. We are looking to get 300mg active per daily serving. Right now we have a 60% being sent to be tested HPLC to make sure it is 60+% 20-beta hydroxyecdysone. if it tests out, a daily serving will contain 500+mg of the 60% herb.
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Where were you with this info on tha bb.com thread Chuckster?

At 200mg (active) a day of forskolin, my poops look like they came outta my smoothy machine. I can't fathom going much higher... who would want to? Sharts all day = not fun. :(
 
TheUnlikelyToad said:
Where were you with this info on tha bb.com thread Chuckster?

At 200mg (active) a day of forskolin, my poops look like they came outta my smoothy machine. I can't fathom going much higher... who would want to? Sharts all day = not fun. :(
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Forskolin or Ecdysone? Wha chu talkin bout Willis?
 
ChuckieRD said:
Forskolin or Ecdysone? Wha chu talkin bout Willis?
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Ecdy... go look at tha thread.

I had suspected they might have been lying.

If what you say is true, there is no doubt I got hoodwinked... by tha owner no less.
 
TheUnlikelyToad said:
Ecdy... go look at tha thread.

I had suspected they might have been lying.

If what you say is true, there is no doubt I got hoodwinked... by tha owner no less.
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I must be a moron cause I cannot find the thread. You got a link?
 
TheUnlikelyToad said:
At 200mg (active) a day of forskolin, my poops look like they came outta my smoothy machine. I can't fathom going much higher... who would want to? Sharts all day = not fun. :(
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Oh jeez :eek:
 
TheUnlikelyToad said:
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Interesting, I was informed a few years ago it was a 60%. I know its not labeled that way but this is very interesting. Were you told by the owner it was a 98% HPLC or UV?
 
Any guess as to what the MSRP is going to be on this? I would love to try it as I am between cycles and taking nothing stronger than a multivitamin every day. I am also between jobs so I hope it's not too spendy. Once I am gainfully employed again, I am going to hit the IGF1LR3 and SD for thirty days, so I figure I have about two months free right now (gotta pay some bills first).
 
insectgod said:
Any guess as to what the MSRP is going to be on this? I would love to try it as I am between cycles and taking nothing stronger than a multivitamin every day. I am also between jobs so I hope it's not too spendy. Once I am gainfully employed again, I am going to hit the IGF1LR3 and SD for thirty days, so I figure I have about two months free right now (gotta pay some bills first).
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You know I just make the stuff and Scivation prices it....Mr. Scivation...any comment on this here? LOL
 
ChuckieRD said:
Interesting, I was informed a few years ago it was a 60%. I know its not labeled that way but this is very interesting. Were you told by the owner it was a 98% HPLC or UV?
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I couldn't tell you anymore, to be honest.
 
ChuckieRD said:
R U not allowed or were you just NOT informed and only going off the label?
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It's a fine line, eh?

I'm really not wanting to slander here... I have no proof.

My only recollection was on their now defunct message board.

All in all, knowing this now it makes sense.

I got results. I especially liked slowing down tha atrophy process of my left side, but tha amounts taken were rather high.
 
TheUnlikelyToad said:
It's a fine line, eh?

I'm really not wanting to slander here... I have no proof.

My only recollection was on their now defunct message board.

All in all, knowing this now it makes sense.

I got results. I especially liked slowing down tha atrophy process of my left side, but tha amounts taken were rather high.
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Gotcha, well I can tell you that I will not be hiding anything. I will call it out as it is so that the consumer gets 100mg tid. Thats for sure.
 
300mg a serving i'm looking forward to this, but i've recently stepped over to the darkside so I dunno if it'll thrill me anymore, lol.
 
CHAPS said:
300mg a serving i'm looking forward to this, but i've recently stepped over to the darkside so I dunno if it'll thrill me anymore, lol.
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It can be beneficial when you stepp back to the light side. Can't stay on the daark side all the time.
 
Ya that's for sure, i'll add it in for pct and my "off" time, I also wanna try Xtend i've heard good things.
 
I don’t think it is worth the bottle it came in !
I purchased some about a year ago and gave it a decent test , but results were very minimal at best .
I could have been the blend ...........

Proprietary Blend 420mg
(Contains 60mg Phyto-ecdysteroids including 20-hydroxyecdysone) Rhaponticum carthamoides CO2 Extract (Root)\
Ajuga turkestanica Extract (Root)
Glutamine as (Glutamine peptides and L-Glutamine) 1200mg
Here is the link from where I got it ........
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Compared to Andos it didn’t come near .
I’m sure somewhere they must have came out with some better **** since then
As a matter of fact I still have about 10 bottles left.
One of these day I’m sending it to the dumpster.

Thanks
HOT ROCKS
Rock On !
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Hot Rocks said:
I don’t think it is worth the bottle it came in !
I purchased some about a year ago and gave it a decent test , but results were very minimal at best .
I could have been the blend ...........

Proprietary Blend 420mg
(Contains 60mg Phyto-ecdysteroids including 20-hydroxyecdysone) Rhaponticum carthamoides CO2 Extract (Root)\
Ajuga turkestanica Extract (Root)
Glutamine as (Glutamine peptides and L-Glutamine) 1200mg
Here is the link from where I got it ........
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Compared to Andos it didn’t come near .
I’m sure somewhere they must have came out with some better **** since then
As a matter of fact I still have about 10 bottles left.
One of these day I’m sending it to the dumpster.

Thanks
HOT ROCKS
Rock On !
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Of course it didn't do anything, it is severely underdosed.
 
Thanks for the reply

I realized that after a couple of months and I starting increasing the dose.
And over a period of 6 plus months I was up to doing 2520 mg + daily.
I came to the conclusion that if I was going to have to eat that much **** and spend all that money I would just go get some test and get it over with. And for much less the money .
But, as you have denoted it takes a lot of ecdy to have it do any good .

HOT ROCKS

ROCK ON !
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Hot Rocks said:
Thanks for the reply

I realized that after a couple of months and I starting increasing the dose.
And over a period of 6 plus months I was up to doing 2520 mg + daily.
I came to the conclusion that if I was going to have to eat that much **** and spend all that money I would just go get some test and get it over with. And for much less the money .
But, as you have denoted it takes a lot of ecdy to have it do any good .

HOT ROCKS

ROCK ON !
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you dosed it as high as 2.5g/day and for a constant timetable of at least 6 months?? and you still have 10+ bottles left? who buys supplements like that? :blink: (by "like that" i mean buying 20+ bottles at a time before even doing research)
 
:wtf:
Your innuendo perturbs me!
In addition,It has nothing to do with the subject of this thread !

But,Thanks for asking

First of all it is my money and I will do what I want with it! OK?
To answer your question, I had done my research and at that time (about 2+ years ago) there was not any conclusive studies that impressed me to the actual dosing for hypertrophy.
As to the quantities, I have a friend that was able to get this **** in large orders at about half the cost. So, after reading all the great reviews on how it was better than Dbol I figured I better get as much as I could at since I didn’t know when I would have the chance to get anymore at that price! And that was a mistake ! Ecdy is a waste, unless you want to consume tablespoons daily.
Moreover, I knew that if I wanted to I could sell it at my cost.
Does that answer your question?

Thanks

HOT ROCKS

ROCK ON!
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I remember trying a liquid version of this particular substance in the late 1980s and I had excellent results. There was also a product that came in brown colored tabs as well. I also had quite a few lifting partners who tried it with the same great results (the liquid mostly). It required frequent breaks (a month or so) before it would work again after repeated use. The product delivered size without a great deal of strength.

I do not know if this is true but at the time it was explained to me that the method of extraction was the key to making a good product. Also, there was a story about a chemist who was making the good product but later turned to making other more profitable substances and the original product was no longer available.

Just something I remember from the past. That is all.
 
BigT said:
I remember trying a liquid version of this particular substance in the late 1980s and I had excellent results. There was also a product that came in brown colored tabs as well. I also had quite a few lifting partners who tried it with the same great results (the liquid mostly). It required frequent breaks (a month or so) before it would work again after repeated use. The product delivered size without a great deal of strength.

I do not know if this is true but at the time it was explained to me that the method of extraction was the key to making a good product. Also, there was a story about a chemist who was making the good product but later turned to making other more profitable substances and the original product was no longer available.

Just something I remember from the past. That is all.
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I remember reading about that stuff too. The key I feel is the [C] of the active. It also (as mentioned earlier in the post) is very important to test this material, either Rhaponticum or Cyanotis (HPLC version) to make sure the active is present. UV leaves for too many variables.
 
You dont need high doses of ecdysterone like 1500mgs a day to see result if you do your taking junk low quality stuff. You can get great results off as little as 75mgs per day of high quality ecdysterone.

I have found couple of products that are very pure one is called Retibol by a swedish company call Eiselt.

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it's made in Sweden by a very reputable company that produces high quality products, and it's very well known that European supplement companies are held to the highest standards when it comes to supplement production, in fact they are regulated for potency and quality control just like drug companies are regulated here in the USA.

the other product infact a pharmacological product sold only in Russia containing 5mg of 20-Hydroxyecdysone.

the link is here
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this is classed as a drug in russia not a supp!

What you have to understand is ecdy's got a bad rap because most of the supps that came out in the usa were a scam and claimed high dose's when infact they had very little of the actual active ingrediant in them. The active ingrediant is 20-Hydroxyecdysone. Its all very well saying it has 200mgs of ecdysterone but this does not mean its 20-Hydroxyecdysone. There has never been a product on the market that containes 200mgs of that!
 
Here is more info i found that makes interesting reading, There are from old archived posts from years ago around 2001.

Bodybuilding.com's Message Boards: Supplements: All posts dealing with General Questions: Ecdysterone Anyone?
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By Dominik ( - 209.239.68.214) on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 12:31 am: Edit


Syntrabol is definately ineffective, praubably because it doesn't contain 20-Hydroxyecdysone but some other substance called "isoinokosterone". This is some ecdysteroid with -OH group at position 20, and I hear it is produced in China.

Products should be standardised for substance 20-Hydroxyecdysone and NOT "isoinokosterone" or "20-Hydroxyecdysterone". Isoinokosterone was never mentioned in scientific literature, and 20-Hydroxyecdysterone could stand for any ecdysteroid with -OH at position 20.

However, I had (and still have) incredible results with Retibol from Eiselt, while others reported solid gains from Zebutol (Zoe discoveries).
My recomendation for you is to do a little research of what is available on the market, and always think twice before you buy it. Tere are some good 20-HE products out there and many fraudulent as well, so make sure that you pick the right one.


By Anonymous ( - 204.186.166.244) on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 08:05 pm: Edit


hmm this is getting interesting!

"By Dominik ( - 209.239.68.213) on Monday, November 20, 2000 - 10:08 pm: Edit


Sumax-5, Ecdysten and super PFAx are natural plant extracts containing ecdysteroids. The main active principle in all three of them is substance known as 20-Hydroxyecdysone, Polypodyne-A or Beta ecdysterone. Sumax-5 is actualy an extract of Pfaffia paniculata (Suma), and it contains 5% of 20-Hydroxyecdysone. Super PFAx is a product containing both Sumax-5 (200mg) and Suma powder, and it is manufactured by a company called "Health research inc." Ecdysten is a completely different product, and it contains standardised extract of Rhaponticum carthamoides. Each tablet of Ecdysten contains 5mg of 20-Hydroxyecdysone. Ecdysten is a pharmacological product sold only in Russia, and I believe that it is one of the very best natural performance-enhancing drugs on the market. However, good ecdysteroid products (ones that are not fake) are very hard to find these days. You could also buy some z-mass PM, and give it a try, but I'm warning you that this product is not standardised for anything except zinc and magnesium.
And finaly, if you want to read comercial info on Sumax-5


By Dominik ( - 209.239.68.213) on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 11:47 pm: Edit


I have seen results within first week of taking 20HE. It was something like 8 pounds, haven't lost a pound after a cycle.
Well, it wasn't actualy Ecdybol, but Retibol from Eiselt (Sweden). 72mg/day was the dose (6 capsules a 12mg).
To be honest, nothing actualy worked for me before, tried prohormones (all kinds including Nandrosol), creatine, flavones...nada. Only this stuff worked as anabolic aid. And yeah, also tried Syntrabol. It's a crap also.


This Dominik guy really seems to know what he is talking about Im trying to track him down but its looking unlikly!
 
BigT said:
I remember trying a liquid version of this particular substance in the late 1980s and I had excellent results. There was also a product that came in brown colored tabs as well. I also had quite a few lifting partners who tried it with the same great results (the liquid mostly). It required frequent breaks (a month or so) before it would work again after repeated use. The product delivered size without a great deal of strength.

I do not know if this is true but at the time it was explained to me that the method of extraction was the key to making a good product. Also, there was a story about a chemist who was making the good product but later turned to making other more profitable substances and the original product was no longer available.

Just something I remember from the past. That is all.
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Your are talking about Zebutol from zoe discoveries, There is a company called zoe labs that is currenlty selling a crappy product using Zoe discoveries good name it also uses zoe enterprizes, avoid them.
 
Interesting stuff. I had decent results with BN's bulk powder. It did help me to retain some mass during extremely catabolic conditions but best of all it really increased my endurance at around 300 mgs per day mixed with rhodiola. I have taken Rhodiola solo and with ecdy and there was definitely a difference.

I'd definitely buy a pure, standardized product if our sponsors could bring it to market for a decent price.
 
You could always try the swedish retibol, id bet its probably the best on the market right now, Ill be ordering 3 bottles next week
 
radio said:
You could always try the swedish retibol, id bet its probably the best on the market right now, Ill be ordering 3 bottles next week
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Not to take away from Scivation here, but at the current moment i would say Ecdysten at least equal to the retibol that you are talking about. Not only that, we have logs of ecdysten and retibol is basically unheard of by most in the U.S.

Also, I am pretty sure ThermoLife's Ecdysten is cheaper than retibol
 
I contacted thermolife and hopefully i will be able to run a log of 500mg of 98% extract for 8 weeks. I will post the log over at bb.com
 
wormwood said:
I contacted thermolife and hopefully i will be able to run a log of 500mg of 98% extract for 8 weeks. I will post the log over at bb.com
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Sure? That would be ALOT of bottles.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ECDYSTEN[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] - Russian Anabolic Formula
Now with Bioperine®![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]15mg Ecdysterone (Ecdypure™)
5mg Bioperine®[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]90 Capsules = $39.95[/FONT]
 
bioman said:
Interesting stuff. I had decent results with BN's bulk powder. It did help me to retain some mass during extremely catabolic conditions but best of all it really increased my endurance at around 300 mgs per day mixed with rhodiola. I have taken Rhodiola solo and with ecdy and there was definitely a difference.

I'd definitely buy a pure, standardized product if our sponsors could bring it to market for a decent price.
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Bioman, this is the same stuff I have used with many of my dieting clients. We saw great results as well. OUr product ANAGEN will have 300mg 20 beta hydroxy per daily serving.
 
wormwood said:
I contacted thermolife and hopefully i will be able to run a log of 500mg of 98% extract for 8 weeks. I will post the log over at bb.com
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That will be impressive. I know a few people taking 150-200mg Ecdysten and are really liking the results.
 
Sounds great. Keep us posted as to when it will debut. There's always a plethora of willing testers here, myself included.
 
yeahright said:
So what is the mechanism of action of this substance?
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I beleive its related to nitrogen retention along with mineral retention as well. NOt sure as I have not had all the russian research papers translated yet. Once I find out I will post for sure.
 
ChuckRD said:
I beleive its related to nitrogen retention along with mineral retention as well. NOt sure as I have not had all the russian research papers translated yet. Once I find out I will post for sure.
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From my reading, this is exactly it.
 
doggzj said:
From my reading, this is exactly it.
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Yes, all the reading is fine and dandy, but I want to know WHY is it increasing nitrogen retention or how is it doing this. I will find out or at least hope I find out. I will keep everyone posted.
 
I believe it ramps up ribosomal protein synthesis or metabolism...been a long time since I read up on it.
 
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