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Dymethazine

tilldeath

tilldeath

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So from what little I know, it's 2 superdrol's bonded. My last PH cycle was original SD in 2003 and I used a SERM, not sure if it was overkill or not. That being said I don't have a legit SERM source and ordering online always seems sketchy since I have nothing to back up what I'm getting is legit and will serve my purpose. Can I run a OTC PCT and if so what would you recommend?
 
There are plenty of legit serms sources out there. Just google research chems legit and u should find your answer.

Dzine is very strong and I wouldn't use a OTC pct for it.
 
Never use OTC PCTs!! I'd rather get my SERMS from legit and tested online pharmacies than from some shady dude at my gym.
 
i wouldn't recomend using dimethazine without a serm.

but if you wanted to try it, which back in the day, when dymethazine came out from i force, i ran it and tried their reversitol. it was a bad idea.

anyways, if you want to try it, you will need multiple otc products such as pct assist, formestane, daa, supress c. that would cover estrogen, cortisol, and boost testosterone in a variety of ways.
 
jbryand101b said:
i wouldn't recomend using dimethazine without a serm.

but if you wanted to try it, which back in the day, when dymethazine came out from i force, i ran it and tried their reversitol. it was a bad idea.

anyways, if you want to try it, you will need multiple otc products such as pct assist, formestane, daa, supress c. that would cover estrogen, cortisol, and boost testosterone in a variety of ways.
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I can vouch for the PCT assist! I am using it right now, and my libido is WAY up. Smells kind of nasty though...Still, I would get a SERM and PCT assist.
 
Dimethazine is a serious steroid. Very strong. I would recommend nolva on cycle or Aromasin and then Clomid and aromasin at mild dose for PCT.
 
TGB1987 said:
Dimethazine is a serious steroid. Very strong. I would recommend nolva on cycle or Aromasin and then Clomid and aromasin at mild dose for PCT.
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Why would you need nolva or aromasin on-cycle when d-zine doesn't even aromatise?
 
EBSNW1 said:
Why would you need nolva or aromasin on-cycle when d-zine doesn't even aromatise?
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I wouldn't either. Research grade Nolva is legit. The only OTC PCT o would ever consider was iforce's o.g. reversitol. Looks solid.
 
most herbal products are going to smell like as*, and taste like it too, so let that be a warning to those who want to bust open a cap and taste the herbaly goodness.

it isn't pleasent. i know first hand.
 
there is zero need for an ai on a cycle of dimethazine, in fact, it would be very un wise to use one. i find it's androgenicity to be strong enough to cause a strong anti estrogenic effect, like dht on steroids (heh heh) which is why i recomend users stack it with something that will be wet, or capable of aromatizing into estrogen.
 
I was un aware and ran ph's with OTC pct a few times and had bad libido problems and prob shutdown etc. Ordered a liquid serm for my last cycle an was like night and day with no sides. I was pretty mad at myself for wasting the previous cycles I ran before but now I'll never play around with OTC pct ever again. Get them research chems bro
 
You need to run an AI to keep your Natural test elevated via the negative feedback loop which makes recovery much much easier. Also Aromasin increases IGF1, is a steroidal AI, prevents estrogen rebound, increases free test and so on. Even though Dymethazine doesn't aromatize it still can cause gyno in some people similar to how Anadrol works.
 
thanks for all the advice everyone looks like I'll check google. Not gonna lie still a little worried so if someone is willing to pm me a recommendation I'd appreciate it. Also any thoughts on dosing nolva and PCT assist? will run DMZ-1 @ 3ED for 4weeks and then should I start nolva and PCT assist the next day or wait a week?
 
Nolva @ 20/20/10/10

PCT assist @ recommended dosage (2 caps in the morning, 2 caps 8 - 12 hours later)

Start PCT next day.
 
EBSNW1 said:
Nolva @ 20/20/10/10

PCT assist @ recommended dosage (2 caps in the morning, 2 caps 8 - 12 hours later)

Start PCT next day.
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will do, I remember the nolva I had tasted like ass so I took it with juice. Although it felt like it was burning my throat, any idea if this was normal?
 
tilldeath said:
will do, I remember the nolva I had tasted like ass so I took it with juice. Although it felt like it was burning my throat, any idea if this was normal?
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No, I didn't get that feeling. I also take my nolva before bedtime so that I can sleep through potential sides, many people do it that way. Also, thats when estrogen activity is highest anyway.
 
TGB1987 said:
You need to run an AI to keep your Natural test elevated via the negative feedback loop which makes recovery much much easier. Also Aromasin increases IGF1, is a steroidal AI, prevents estrogen rebound, increases free test and so on. Even though Dymethazine doesn't aromatize it still can cause gyno in some people similar to how Anadrol works.
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are you for real? :lmao:
 
Not sure what you are trying to say here? Yes Aromasin would be beneficial to run during any cycle especially in a cycle which aromatizes. This cycle doesn't but there are still other benefits. Do you know anything about Aromasin????
 
In case you don't know, the negative feedback loop works like this when your body senses estrogen is low, which is what happens when you use an AI like Aromasin, It tells your body to produce more Testosterone. Estrogen is created by the body taking Testosterone and using the aromatase enzyme to convert it to Estrogen when you use a Type II AI (Aromasin) The aromasin attaches to the Aromatase and disables it causing there to be a higher level of test and free test. Not only does aromasin do this but it also increases IGF1. This leads to better Anabolism. Not sure why you think this is such a funny answer. When you take Dimethazine it doesn't aromatize but it willl shutdown your natural Test production and is known to sometimes cause gyno in users. It is DHT based just like Anadrol but they both can still cause Gyno in some users. to prevent this nolvadex can block the gyno and Aromasin can prevent total shutdown of Test. Is aromasin needed for on cycle not just for Dimethazine but it can help in many ways. For PCT there is no other option better than Aromasin and Clomid IMO.
 
Yes with something wet like Test is best for preventing lethargy but just because it is DHT based doesn't mean it will not cause gyno. Look at Anadrol. Anadrol is known to cause gyno and is if anything is DHT on steroids. SERM is needed at least but I prefer to add Aromasin as well which is a type II AI then again when I use Dymethazine I usually run it with Test. For PCT a SERM and AI should be used preferably a type II AI.
 
TGB1987 said:
Not sure what you are trying to say here? Yes Aromasin would be beneficial to run during any cycle especially in a cycle which aromatizes. This cycle doesn't but there are still other benefits. Do you know anything about Aromasin????
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TGB1987 said:
In case you don't know, the negative feedback loop works like this when your body senses estrogen is low, which is what happens when you use an AI like Aromasin, It tells your body to produce more Testosterone. Estrogen is created by the body taking Testosterone and using the aromatase enzyme to convert it to Estrogen when you use a Type II AI (Aromasin) The aromasin attaches to the Aromatase and disables it causing there to be a higher level of test and free test. Not only does aromasin do this but it also increases IGF1. This leads to better Anabolism. Not sure why you think this is such a funny answer. When you take Dimethazine it doesn't aromatize but it willl shutdown your natural Test production and is known to sometimes cause gyno in users. It is DHT based just like Anadrol but they both can still cause Gyno in some users. to prevent this nolvadex can block the gyno and Aromasin can prevent total shutdown of Test. Is aromasin needed for on cycle not just for Dimethazine but it can help in many ways. For PCT there is no other option better than Aromasin and Clomid IMO.
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TGB1987 said:
Yes with something wet like Test is best for preventing lethargy but just because it is DHT based doesn't mean it will not cause gyno. Look at Anadrol. Anadrol is known to cause gyno and is if anything is DHT on steroids. SERM is needed at least but I prefer to add Aromasin as well which is a type II AI then again when I use Dymethazine I usually run it with Test. For PCT a SERM and AI should be used preferably a type II AI.
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... i dont know how to respond, clearly everything i have learned about androgenic/anabolic compounds is incorrect.
 
d-zine seems to be dose and duration specific. You can find lots of logs with otc pct. Those that ran a 4 week at 15mg seem to do very well, those that run 30-45mg for 4 to 5 weeks don't . It's only 1/4th as anabolic as sd but 5x more androgenic. At lower doses it seems to have an ai effect like epi which would support lh and slow the shutdown of the hpta. But at higher doses suppression would be fast and shutdown would only take a few weeks. In general no serm = no cycle, but my guess is your gonna run it anyway. Just don't get greedy.
 
amethyst said:
d-zine seems to be dose and duration specific. You can find lots of logs with otc pct. Those that ran a 4 week at 15mg seem to do very well, those that run 30-45mg for 4 to 5 weeks don't . It's only 1/4th as anabolic as sd but 5x more androgenic. At lower doses it seems to have an ai effect like epi which would support lh and slow the shutdown of the hpta. But at higher doses suppression would be fast and shutdown would only take a few weeks. In general no serm = no cycle, but my guess is your gonna run it anyway. Just don't get greedy.
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Excellent post. I would wager that 15 mg 4-5 week cycle would be great. And a SERM is a must.
 
for those reading...

1) using a ai on a cycle of highly androgenic dht based compounds is stupid. it will not prevent any shutdown. yes the negative feedback loop thing is right, but not for on cycle, post cycle, yes, again, not on cycle.

2)Anadrol is a completely different compound than dimethazine and dimethazine is a completely different compound than superdrol.
the compound changes in the stomach into something else when the nitrogen bond (azine) is hydrolized in the stomach acids.
I might be mistaken, but i believe anadrol may have some interaction with the estrogen receptor d/t its make up.
all androgens can bind to the progestin receptor, possibly ellavating estrgoenic side effects. interaction will vary.

in pct, it would be wise to use the serm first, slowly taper the serm while introducing the ai, i prefer about the 3rd week of the serm.

you do not want to destroy estrogen on cycle, or off. estrgoen is a important hormone to a lot of things, including libido & immune system.

again, you want to dose the ai so that you control estrogen levels, not remove them completely.
 
jbryand101b said:
for those reading...

1) using a ai on a cycle of highly androgenic dht based compounds is stupid. it will not prevent any shutdown. yes the negative feedback loop thing is right, but not for on cycle, post cycle, yes, again, not on cycle.

2)Anadrol is a completely different compound than dimethazine and dimethazine is a completely different compound than superdrol.
the compound changes in the stomach into something else when the nitrogen bond (azine) is hydrolized in the stomach acids.
I might be mistaken, but i believe anadrol may have some interaction with the estrogen receptor d/t its make up.
all androgens can bind to the progestin receptor, possibly ellavating estrgoenic side effects. interaction will vary.

in pct, it would be wise to use the serm first, slowly taper the serm while introducing the ai, i prefer about the 3rd week of the serm.

you do not want to destroy estrogen on cycle, or off. estrgoen is a important hormone to a lot of things, including libido & immune system.

again, you want to dose the ai so that you control estrogen levels, not remove them completely.
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You are correct sir. The whole idea of an AI stimulating LH and FSH do not apply to on-cycle. Simply because in men, the GnRH monitors t-levels or maybe I should say, "androgenic activity" of the androgen receptors. This means that regardless of what your estrogen is, if your androgenic activity is sky high (which it will be with Dzine), your GnRH/LH/FSH will be shutdown since it finds no reason to stimulate the pituitary for more sex steroid production.

Plus, when your estrogen is on the low side you experience unstable moods, sore/dry joints, and no sex drive. My estro is too low right now in PCT and my sex drive is also tanked. When estro is within a normal ratio to the androgenic sex steroid, you experience better muscle building, healthier joints, and a sex drive the seems normal or even elevated.

Furthermore, this is EXACTLY why people take the well-known GnRH called "HCG" during cycle. Since your GnRH won't do anything while taking steroids, you have to manually inject some into your system so that your LH activity can stay afloat regardless of what sex steroids are in your system. you don't want to shutdown? Take HCG, not an AI. Run 250iu/week, in one sub-Q injection from weeks 2-4. Kinda pointless on a short cycle but hey, you won't be shutdown either..
 
AI on-cycle, especially something as strong as aromasin, is not a good idea. First of all, the estrogen does have an anabolic effect, and second of all, your estro levels will buffer your joints in a period where you are rapidly increasing the weights.

The only time I would ever want to control estrogen would be on a test cycle to minimise the bloat, and even then I'd go for a e3d or e4d schedule.

And as for the 15mg of dymethazine, I can pretty much tell you that that is a crap dosage. I've ran dmz myself and would have easily felt comfortable bumping to 45mg. This stuff is not as strong as superdrol.
 
EBSNW1 said:
AI on-cycle, especially something as strong as aromasin, is not a good idea. First of all, the estrogen does have an anabolic effect, and second of all, your estro levels will buffer your joints in a period where you are rapidly increasing the weights.

The only time I would ever want to control estrogen would be on a test cycle to minimise the bloat, and even then I'd go for a e3d or e4d schedule.

And as for the 15mg of dymethazine, I can pretty much tell you that that is a crap dosage. I've ran dmz myself and would have easily felt comfortable bumping to 45mg. This stuff is not as strong as superdrol.
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15mg dose is only based on otc pct for health reasons, with proper pct with serm then yes 15mg would be pointless. Original poster wanted to run it with otc, I just didn't want to see hime run it 5 weeks at 30mg and be screwed.
 
15mg will be a nice performance booster, i'd say to go for 6 weeks with that dose. you could prob put on a nice 5lbs, 10 if you are lucky.
 
I've been running 30mg for 4 weeks so far with amazing results. I was going to bump up to 45 but I deff didnt need to, so I'm just running a lil longer at 30mg. I really like this stuff. Btw I have no sides at all, then again I can run SD without sides most of the time. Pct is going to be Torem/Nolva with pct assist, multi vitamin and Creatine.
 
So when the nitrogen bond is hydrolized it doesn't leave behind 2 superdrols? Can anyone elaborate more on the conversion?
 
mugen112 said:
Just curious
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I can tell you this much, I can handle SD for 3 weeks easily at 20mg with no sides but week 4 the lethargy is terrible. I just ran DMZ for 5 weeks at 30mg with no sides what so ever and also not as much gains. The gains were steady though and impressive. Weight gain is up 13lbs without any noticeable fat gain. It's deff not the same as SD. one lil change to the chemical structure changes everything.
 
mugen112 said:
So when the nitrogen bond is hydrolized it doesn't leave behind 2 superdrols? Can anyone elaborate more on the conversion?
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No it becomes a different compound all together, what that compound is isn't known, but it doesn't become 2 sd molecules.
 
update, tried 3 week 15 mg cycle, kind of odd as it's nothing like sd, strength started going up some, no weight gain, but cardio and endourance levels went through the roof, felt like a mega dose of androhard or stanodrol. Didn't have any feelings of atrophy. Testing formadrol as pct. Didn't see blood results (went with family doctor) hormones were in normal range, no impact on liver, but ldl was high bp was little high but I'm also a smoker so it's always up. Can vouch it may be a decent recomp at 15mg but no bulking. Pretty sure I would have got same results from stano and some caffeine. Not worth the possible risk for no gains, would need 30mg for 4 to 5 weeks and serm. Do make you feel great though
 
TGB1987 said:
In case you don't know, the negative feedback loop works like this when your body senses estrogen is low, which is what happens when you use an AI like Aromasin, It tells your body to produce more Testosterone. Estrogen is created by the body taking Testosterone and using the aromatase enzyme to convert it to Estrogen when you use a Type II AI (Aromasin) The aromasin attaches to the Aromatase and disables it causing there to be a higher level of test and free test. Not only does aromasin do this but it also increases IGF1. This leads to better Anabolism. Not sure why you think this is such a funny answer. When you take Dimethazine it doesn't aromatize but it willl shutdown your natural Test production and is known to sometimes cause gyno in users. It is DHT based just like Anadrol but they both can still cause Gyno in some users. to prevent this nolvadex can block the gyno and Aromasin can prevent total shutdown of Test. Is aromasin needed for on cycle not just for Dimethazine but it can help in many ways. For PCT there is no other option better than Aromasin and Clomid IMO.
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You all should listen to this man, he knows exactly what he is talking about. So many have these jacked up ideas about how to run a cycle and do PCT, it is kinda funny actually.
 
amethyst said:
update, tried 3 week 15 mg cycle, kind of odd as it's nothing like sd, strength started going up some, no weight gain, but cardio and endourance levels went through the roof, felt like a mega dose of androhard or stanodrol. Didn't have any feelings of atrophy. Testing formadrol as pct. Didn't see blood results (went with family doctor) hormones were in normal range, no impact on liver, but ldl was high bp was little high but I'm also a smoker so it's always up. Can vouch it may be a decent recomp at 15mg but no bulking. Pretty sure I would have got same results from stano and some caffeine. Not worth the possible risk for no gains, would need 30mg for 4 to 5 weeks and serm. Do make you feel great though
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30mg dose is standard, that is why you gained no size.
 
oufinny said:
30mg dose is standard, that is why you gained no size.
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no, 3 week 15mg d-zine, compaired it to stano at the low dose, fett like stano at around 600 to 750mg. Was courious to see impact on system at low dose, no benefit except for energy, little impact on system
 
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amethyst said:
no, 3 week 15mg d-zine, compaired it to stano at the low dose, fett like stano at around 600 to 750mg
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They aren't an apples to apples comparison, one is highly androgenic and one is extremely anabolic.
 
oufinny said:
They aren't an apples to apples comparison, one is highly androgenic and one is extremely anabolic.
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if I'm not mistaken dimeth is more androgenic than the androstane ph like androhard,stanodrol and mmv3 and also twice as anabolic as testosterone. I think the lack of sides and lethargy compaired to sd is because of the androgenic level. I believe it is a ratio of 210-95 giveing it a q-rateing of 2.
 
amethyst said:
update, tried 3 week 15 mg cycle, kind of odd as it's nothing like sd, strength started going up some, no weight gain, but cardio and endourance levels went through the roof, felt like a mega dose of androhard or stanodrol. Didn't have any feelings of atrophy. Testing formadrol as pct. Didn't see blood results (went with family doctor) hormones were in normal range, no impact on liver, but ldl was high bp was little high but I'm also a smoker so it's always up. Can vouch it may be a decent recomp at 15mg but no bulking. Pretty sure I would have got same results from stano and some caffeine. Not worth the possible risk for no gains, would need 30mg for 4 to 5 weeks and serm. Do make you feel great though
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3 weeks at 15mg? Why? I ran 6 weeks at 30 a day then 45 for the last week. Gained like 13lbs and kept 9 after pct
 
Mrpersinality said:
3 weeks at 15mg? Why? I ran 6 weeks at 30 a day then 45 for the last week. Gained like 13lbs and kept 9 after pct
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test run from earlier post, seeing what negative effects were on system(liver and hpta) and if a 4 to 5 week cycle at 15mg would be to much for otc, I'd guess anything over 4weeks and 15mg would require serm. Under that otc seems effective
 
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