Drugs for visceral body fat vs subcutaneous body fat.

[Old Witch]

I understand certain compounds might target different types of fat by virtue of how they work (yohimbe for subQ belly fat for instance)


I had a notebook full of different herbs and compounds for body fat in general, and my kids seem to have made it vanish.

Anybody remember specifically what’s good and strong for burning off visceral fat? I keep thinking it was Laxogenin, and then I remember I think I gained most of this visceral fat with Laxogenin. Maybe it was clen? Forskolin? Damnit, somebody ripped help me out.

 

[Old Witch]

Ordinarily I have this book of knowledge I’ve amassed over the years and I have things marked in case I forget. Just noticed my stomach is looking a bit more pregnant than it did this summer, so I thought I’d add in something hungry for visceral fat.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

TheMyth might be able to help you

 

[GrizzleB]

F-95 forskolin has always helped me since I started using it in 2011 as well as EC stack. Just got 50g of TTA-500 in today, iy use to be in genomyx DCP and seemed to work well as long as the cramps don't bother ya.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

you want the 11kt and some 7keto/ f95 and i also like alfa yo

 

[Mathb33]

EC stack always works wonder for me might be my genetics but after a bulk I go back from 15-17% to around 11% pretty easily with my lovely ec altho sometimes I feel I’m on crack cocaine

 

[Old Witch]

you want the 11kt and some 7keto/ f95 and i also like alfa yo

That was about where my mind was going. 11-oxo, 7K, and forskolin.

 

[Old Witch]

EC stack always works wonder for me might be my genetics but after a bulk I go back from 15-17% to around 11% pretty easily with my lovely ec altho sometimes I feel I’m on crack cocaine

I do amphetamine instead of ephedrine in my ECA. It’s easier for me to get without ID and it’s stronger at appetite suppression.

Mainly I like the amphetamine because it affects the heart much less than ephedrine, being lower in pressor activity.

 

[bigbeaph]

you want the 11kt and some 7keto/ f95 and i also like alfa yo

That 7K is golden for this stuff IME...going to try this exact stack out in a couple months.

 

[Old Witch]

That 7K is golden for this stuff IME...going to try this exact stack out in a couple months.

That might be what’s going on, I was on 7k for about ten months and dropped it awhile ago. Bet I gained some back and didn’t notice right away.

 

[mase1]

Dosage of 7keto?

 

[Old Witch]

Dosage of 7keto?

100mg 2-3x daily. If you’re only around 200lbs taking it three times a day might get you uncomfortably hot.

 

[Whisky]

Var is what you want for sub q

But not deca

According to this study

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/8574271/

Personally I like clen......

 

[mikeymike85]

Var easily... yohimbe is trash, it never did **** for me. Nothing natural is going to do what you want it to do. ECA indirectly maybe, Var being the only thing I know that can actually target it.

 

[Old Witch]

Looking like my next cycle might be test, var, 11K, 7K, and a little forskolin for gda purposes.

 

[Old Witch]

Call it a recomposition. I’ve let the fat get out of hand without gaining enough muscle mass as I would have liked.

 

[DWeaver]

I’ve got 4 bottles of Androisoxazole I’m gonna use for my cut after i start TRT in a few week. Would like to add something else for BF but not sure what would work well with what I’m running. Any suggestions?

 

[City Boy]

Anyone tried Musclegelz androshred been looking at these recently,never really heard much on7 Keto before

 

[Sheriff Morri]

Call it a recomposition. I’ve let the fat get out of hand without gaining enough muscle mass as I would have liked.

I know exactly what you mean buddy!!!!!

 

[cheftepesh1]

Dosage of 7keto?

You can try topical version sold by Iron Legion.

https://iron-legion.com/products/vii-kt

 

[Afi140]

You can try topical version sold by Iron Legion.

https://iron-legion.com/products/vii-kt

This or androshred by muscle gelz work very well for me in the fat loss department

 

[Ricky10]

I think limiting visceral fat is more tied into cortisol control as well as insulin resistance.

Products like Invictus, topical 7-Keto, Reduce XT, alongside a quality GDA or Cardarine could be a step in the right direction. Throw in one of the top fat burner stim products for some feel good energy and you could be well on your way!

 

[bigbeaph]

Never tried TD 7K. Anyone have experience with oral vs. TD ?

 

[Ricky10]

Never tried TD 7K. Anyone have experience with oral vs. TD ?

Well oral did zippo for me, even with enhanced absorption. It seems that transdermal is a completely different story altogether though..

 

[jrock645]

What about SR9009? I know supposedly it needs to be injected, anyone done that?

 

[Old Witch]

Well oral did zippo for me, even with enhanced absorption. It seems that transdermal is a completely different story altogether though..

I buy my 7k from Swanson health only. Best brand for the basic stuff, and to me 7k is as basic as plain Jane dhea. I took three a day and was sweating outside in the winter.

 

[Whisky]

What about SR9009? I know supposedly it needs to be injected, anyone done that?

Mike Arnold was looking at it (for research purposes only). He dropped a teaser recently that it might be on his site after the jan sale.....

TD is said to be better than oral (which does nothing) but it’s hard to find and as expensive as hell

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

I took 2 bottles worth of oral sr
I would get aTD or im

 

[jdm23]

Mike Arnold was looking at it (for research purposes only). He dropped a teaser recently that it might be on his site after the jan sale.....

TD is said to be better than oral (which does nothing) but it’s hard to find and as expensive as hell

He’s got it on there now. $59.99 for 10ml. Just saw it yesterday. It still has a short half-life though, I’m thinking you’d need 1ml a day split into 2 injections. It’s 20mg/ml. So at that dose it’s a 10 day supply.

 

[Whisky]

He’s got it on there now. $59.99 for 10ml. Just saw it yesterday. It still has a short half-life though, I’m thinking you’d need 1ml a day split into 2 injections. It’s 20mg/ml. So at that dose it’s a 10 day supply.

Well I guess it all comes down to just how good it is then. On paper it’s pretty special but for $180 a month it’s gotta be blowing bollocks off.....

 

[justhere4comm]

He’s got it on there now. $59.99 for 10ml. Just saw it yesterday. It still has a short half-life though, I’m thinking you’d need 1ml a day split into 2 injections. It’s 20mg/ml. So at that dose it’s a 10 day supply.

This? OOS.
I believe I saw 30ml at 10mg/ml. which at 1ml split daily for the lab animal would put it at a 30 day supply for $59.99

 

[Whisky]

This? OOS.
I believe I saw 30ml at 10mg/ml. which at 1ml split daily for the lab animal would put it at a 30 day supply for $59.99

At that price I’ll be researching it as soon as it’s back in stock

 

[jrock645]

Twice a day? Eh...

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Sounds like it would be easyer to eat less... shots are a pain

 

[justhere4comm]

Hmm...
Reduced calories comes at a cost.
- Emotional
- Energy
- Physiological

SR9009
- Reduces LDL
- Improved Endurance
- Decreased Inflammation
- Improved Heart Function
- Decreased Anxiety
- Decreased Tissue Damage
- Enhanced REV-ERB

REV-ERB
- Turns off genes that produce glucose without affecting insulin sensitivity
- Promotes burning of fat; increased mitochondrial activity; more new mitochondria and less destruction of old mitochondria.
- Turns off the genes responsible for storing fat and decreases triglyceride production

So, reduce calories of course, but this looks to be pretty amazing.

 

[jmero2]

How many hours apart would you need to inject your test subject?

 

[solidsnake]

I’d just buy raws and Td it, you’d end up like a pin cushion pinning twice a day, it’s 45 dollars a gr of raw sr, so well worth it

 

[Whisky]

I’d just buy raws and Td it, you’d end up like a pin cushion pinning twice a day, it’s 45 dollars a gr of raw sr, so well worth it

I thought about that but couldn’t figure a carrier - part of my thinking was that if td worked easily it’d be much more prevelant.....

 

[DWeaver]

I’d just buy raws and Td it, you’d end up like a pin cushion pinning twice a day, it’s 45 dollars a gr of raw sr, so well worth it

Salvo work with this or you going with a home brew? DMSO?

 

[Amon amarth]

Im liken this

 

[bigbeaph]

I’d just buy raws and Td it, you’d end up like a pin cushion pinning twice a day, it’s 45 dollars a gr of raw sr, so well worth it

At that price why not try it....going to cut in a few months and been kicking this around....all but sold on it

 

[justhere4comm]

I’d just buy raws and Td it, you’d end up like a pin cushion pinning twice a day, it’s 45 dollars a gr of raw sr, so well worth it

But, that 1g of raw powder will yield only 1 bottle of 30ml at 10mg/ml? (I'm unsure of the conversion) and you'll still need to obtain the carrier which is how much? $10; $20; $30?I know Iron Legion's is top notch but also not cheap at $26.99 on sale at the moment.

I have no confidence in the Oral SR9009, and not much more in the TD. It's simply a compound that requiresr SubQ delivery. At least based on my readings. To inject .5ml x2 daily would be indeed unwelcomed by most lab animals.

 

[Old Witch]

I think if using SR9009 then TD is best because it’s half life is so short that the extended absorption of TD is worthwhile as a means of extending the dose.

 

[jdm23]

Would a full dose pwo give the benefits of increased cardio capacity, fat mobilization etc just in a strategic time?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

I thought about that but couldn’t figure a carrier - part of my thinking was that if td worked easily it’d be much more prevelant.....

the gobnment dont like topicals.. mostly because it makes alot of herbs viable and they know it. you cant imagine all the BS to get a TD to market.. [obviously we know that our niche market is not included in that statement.]
but seriously.. you literally have to call it a cosmetic before you go down the road of transdermal, and only if you exhaust all other avenues would you tell the powers that be "hey guys i have this new topical supplement i want to sell".

take home note to the those entertaining the idea of selling a TD, dont call it a TD and it wont bite you in the ass later if the FDA flags it.

 

[solidsnake]

I thought about that but couldn’t figure a carrier - part of my thinking was that if td worked easily it’d be much more prevelant.....

Well if your in the states your in luck, phlojel ultra is the best carrier on the market, even drug company’s use it as a carrier. It rubs in like a cream and disappears in less than a minute. I live in Spain and anything from us takes a long time as customs always get there hands on it... but I use it for all my Td applications, makes a huge difference compared to dmso and salvo, I’ve tried them all

 

[solidsnake]

But, that 1g of raw powder will yield only 1 bottle of 30ml at 10mg/ml? (I'm unsure of the conversion) and you'll still need to obtain the carrier which is how much? $10; $20; $30?I know Iron Legion's is top notch but also not cheap at $26.99 on sale at the moment.

I have no confidence in the Oral SR9009, and not much more in the TD. It's simply a compound that requiresr SubQ delivery. At least based on my readings. To inject .5ml x2 daily would be indeed unwelcomed by most lab animals.

I’m no maths expert but I’d say it would be 3 bottles of 30 ml @ 10mg/ml
Let’s also not forget that Td takes around 6 hours to fully absorb so if your applying twice a day there you have 12 hours of constant absorption and not even counting the half life....

 

[justhere4comm]

I’m no maths expert but I’d say it would be 3 bottles of 30 ml @ 10mg/ml
Let’s also not forget that Td takes around 6 hours to fully absorb so if your applying twice a day there you have 12 hours of constant absorption and not even counting the half life....

I'm not mathing at all. lol.

Something is bugging me about the TD application of SR9009, but I can't place it.
The Molecular weight is really close: 437.939 to maxing out [500 Daltons] on it's viability but that isn't it.
The Half Life is 4 hours which isn't horrible.

I like the idea of it's Blood Pressure benefits more than most of it's other beneficials.

 

[solidsnake]

Well I’d say it’s worth a try rather than pinning twice a day..
after trying phlojel the only thing I ever pin when I’m not working offshore is mt2

 

[Amon amarth]

Well I’d say it’s worth a try rather than pinning twice a day..
after trying phlojel the only thing I ever pin when I’m not working offshore is mt2

Sounds interesting