Jiigzz
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You're 100% right, it'll be a great case study!
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Jiigzz
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Do you think the plane just went inside peacefully then decide to explode? No, the planes 100,000kg frame and load impacted a several hundred thousand kg building, got absolutely destroyed and exploded in the process.
You can calculate crash forces easily by knowing the total mass (assume 100,000kg) and the change in acceleration and multiplying the 2 together.
The planes weren't destroyed by the explosion, they were destroyed by impact forces.
Do you think the plane just went inside peacefully then decide to explode? No, the planes 100,000kg frame and load impacted a several hundred thousand kg building, got absolutely destroyed and exploded in the process.
You can calculate crash forces easily by knowing the total mass (assume 100,000kg) and the change in acceleration and multiplying the 2 together.
ax1
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Yup Im getting that, so it would be interesting to see if there is some mathematician can figure the speed, the impact potential of the WTC building, how much G's would have been absorbed by the plane itself and how much G's would then get to the blackboxes. Blackboxes should be installed near the tail of the plane, so much of the G' force Im guessing should be absorbed, especially with a head on collision with a softer target such as a building rather than a mountain.
Im assuming that the blackboxes were designed to handle a maximal catastrophe such as a direct impact to a mountain, but Im just assuming here, just broscience.
We do have a list of damaged blackboxes, but damaged is damaged, the government claims they never found them in NYC.
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So we can say they are nearly indestructable, but usually when they are damaged it wasnt because they were vaporized from existence. They get damanged and data is unusable, but you still have the blackboxes. When the blackboxes are missing, the entire plane is missing along with all the passengers, and we do know where unfortunately that/they all ended up.
Anyways, still think the US government has them and they were just fine.
ax1
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Unless there were additional bombs planted on the plane. And even if we were to conclude the government had no involvement, maybe the terrorists found a way to smuggle some explosive devices on their luggage. These were pre-TSA days, not that high security didnt exist.
So as I said before Im sure your reading it, there are crash forces, but them we would want to know real world impact directly on the black boxes as you probably lose a significant amount of energy by the time you get to the tail end where the blackboxes are. Broscience yes, Im not an expert on this, just thinking this over.
Jiigzz
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Black boxes are designed to survive high impact accidents, but not so much (at least at the time) intentional, high mass, velocity crashes into buildings.
The point of the black boxes is to determine the cause of an accident and the actions of the pilots in response to the emergency. In this case, it was a purposeful crash into buildings. You don't need a CVR to tell you that
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Most engineers have no clue that building 7 fell, or even seen video footage of it. Its not their fault, you have to put independent effort into knowing outside of what they only show you on TV documentaries and annual mourning about 9/11. Do you know how many times Ive seen the building 7 collapse on documentaries on mainstream TV? Zero, never ever.....except they did talk about it that day on 9/11 as it was happening, as they were telling people on live TV to back up and that its going to blow up. And another point is, Larry Silverstein owner of the WTC site did go on national television and said that he made the decision to pull the building 7 building, which is code for controlled demolition. You cant rig a building up in a few hours, it takes a few weeks. It was a modern heavy duty steal structure building designed to house the FBI and CIA, its the only steal structure building to drop at free fall speed from column to column after crimping in on itself in the history of the universe.
But on to the 2 million, thats my point, they dont talk about it, as a matter of fact they barely even mention it in the 9/11 commission report, they mostly omit the most key direct scientific evidence that much more happened in NYC that day than they want the public to know about. I dont fault the 2 million architects and engineers for not knowing about it.
The governments conslusion as to why building 7 fell is completely impossible.
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9 11 - WTC7 - Larry Silverstein says 'PULL IT'
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Georgia guidestones
Bill Gates 2010 Ted talk.
holy chit... a medicare whistle blower just handed somebody the All-cause mortality rates that they have been hiding since
late 2019.
not good. there is an actual 50% rise in ACM since the vacks got rolled out. Medicare stats are the most accurate and complete in detail known to the USA.
they are trying (and succeeding) to kill us.
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Bill Gates 2010 Ted talk.
Nodus1
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Most likely theory says who? Of all the theories I've read, that one is nearly least likely.
I don't think common sense means what you think it means. Common sense would tell you that the collapses which began at the point of aircraft impact and worked down from that point, were initiated by the 500mph impact of the widebody jets and the resulting steel weakening fires.
It's a lousy theory. All four commercial aircraft were tracked by multiple ATC centers/staff. You say "fortified military planes...is just my theory". Again, why would fortified military planes have black boxes that weren't wanted to be found? You can believe they were fortified military planes, or you can believe black boxes were actually found, but you can't believe both. (Actually, if you believe either, you'll probably believe anything - as long as it doesn't come from the government)
So he found one, or maybe he found three? Sounds sorts of fishy, doesn't it?
Tf is non-thermite?
The whole thermite thing has disproven anyway, in part by the MVA Scientific Consultant study in 2012.
ax1
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The job wasnt to blow up the planes, the job was to bring the twin towers down.
Jiigzz
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The planes impact on the buildings was roughly 1/20th that of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.
That's an immense amount of energy. No building is really designed in a way that can effectively dissipate that energy (heat energy and kinetic etc) without some kind of catastrophic consequence.
Look up Grosjean F1 crash when he went under 200kph into a barrier designed to dissipate energy from a crash by a car designed to withstand high impact crash forces ( a plane isn't designed to crash)
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Prove my ass wrong.
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When it comes to a crime scene everything starts out with theories. 9/11 truther movement is about trying to compile all the science and facts.
The buildings were pulverized all the way to the ground and made less of a seismic impact that when they blue up that stupid Seatlle Kingdome. You can actually get real data on both and you will see.
Maybe a little jet fuel can weaken some beams, but it doesnt get hot enough to create flowing rivers of lava under the rubble. Its scientifically impossible. No common sense needed when you look at the facts. Plus there were obvious explosions all over the building both before and during the collapse of the WTC just as accounted by many multiple witnesses that were there inside that building that day including multiple accounts that bombs hit the basement and lobby before the planes even hit.
I already told you, more than likely the two that hit the trade center were commercial airliners.
More than likely the Pentagon was hit by a missile. A lousy theory is thinking a airplane with 2 giant titanium get engines can puncture a small hole in a building all flown by a hairy pre-historic monkey caveman who didnt even want to learn to land a plane and do maneuvers too skilled for Maverick to pull off.
Actually it was well proven and also demonstrated by real scientists, and it was found in the WTC site.....also they found radioactive isotopes but thats another story your not ready for yet.
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"we" didn't. Here's a few things to consider. Our govt is controlled by Luciferians. It has been for a long time. Bush Jr was in the skull and bones brotherhood of death at Yale (or one of those ivy league schools, can't remember which). Anywho, it turns out Yeshua's (Jesus) birthday is 9/11. 12/25 is the birthday of Nimrod/tamuz, the first antichrist figure. So, the Satanists carried out a blood sacrifice to their god on Yeshua's birthday. Also, just so happens the Patriot Act was all ready to go before the event took place iirc. Hegelian dialect. Kinda like gun control legislation is all ready to go before mass shootings. To make a long story longer, the Luciferians pull this shyt on a regular basis. The goal is for a select few people known as the synagogue of Satan to control what's left of the human race after they kill off a majority with vaccines, diseases, wars etc etc. So there you have it. They think they will win the final battle with Yeshua. He already won on the cross. I figure they are trying to condemn as many souls as possible in the meantime
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How about pulling this out of my ass, show me how your little MVA Scientific Consultant tin foil group can molten steal with a little jet fuel.
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Bush Jr. had Osama Bin Laden's family flown out of D.C. (yes they had a business relationship outside of Bin Laden's CIA training and funding) in secret before the FBI could get to them while his daddy was still grounded when airspace was nationally still shut down.
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C'mon.... you didn't even make it to the part where he thinks a secret giant space laser was frying cars on the FDR drive a mile away!!!
Jiigzz
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You don't need to melt steal to have it's integrity weakened. Period.
How do you argue things like this when you didn't even know deceleration is acceleration? It makes no sense to me. You're arguing concepts way outside your scope of understanding which is no wonder wild conspiracies make sense to you.
What was the temperature of the heat generated from the energy of impact? Heat isn't just caused by fire (I e. An object travelling at speed generates heat - just like the B2 bomber in Top Gun).
That heat transfers. So even IF steel beams were required to be entirely melted to precede a crash, people have calculated the heat based on the explosion and subsequent fire, but have you seen any data calculating the heat generated from friction forces?
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@ax1 - These pictures of molten metal pouring out of the building.... was that molten steel or aluminum???
Because in your vast 9/11 scientific research you must have found that aluminum can reach a molten state at between 887 - 1184 degrees (depending on alloy) and that plane was made from 141,000 pounds of aluminum.
Quick - post some other 9/11 meme science before that actually sinks in....!!!
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How many people employed in law enforcement are freemasons?
How many people employed in law enforcement are freemasons?
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Jiigzz
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Do you believe every captioned picture on the internet? Jesus.
If that is all it takes to be considered factual then we are truly screwed
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Hazmat suits don't protect against radiation though. It's for biological material. The person was probably cleaning it and wearing it to protect from copious amounts of bird poop.
But as is typical of the internet, one person captions it and the "freethinkers" flock to it like sheep, only clinging to it more when Facebook takes it down.
But sure, maybe it was John Lennon who built it with the help of Elvis
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@ax1 - These pictures of molten metal pouring out of the building.... was that molten steel or aluminum???
Because in your vast 9/11 scientific research you must have found that aluminum can reach a molten state at between 887 - 1184 degrees (depending on alloy) and that plane was made from 141,000 pounds of aluminum.
Quick - post some other 9/11 meme science before that actually sinks in....!!!
Aluminum? What the hell you fly in, Air Kazakhstan? You try something a little more upper end like Jet Blue which uses some of the more superb Chinese fiberglass.
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I have to keep reminding people at my club that 9 Republicrats voted for our 2013 NY "Safe" Act. You better vet who you vote for, as many of them pretend to be pro-2nd A, but they will continue to strip your rights away while claiming they are protecting your rights.
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Agree with your statement. I'll shorten the first sentence: I believe in Jesus.
As far as internet content being factual, lol. I posted all those pics in reference to the ongoing discussion around 9/11. The point is, conspiracies are nothing new and they take many forms. It has nothing to do with politics, simply good vs evil. The CIA coined the term " conspiracy theory" to paint people who question the narrative as insane.
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Of course I know the difference between the two, I just forgot the thought of g-force and declaration at that moment. Your trying to create something out of nothing to distract and slandering into conspiracy accusations to distract from your failed debate.
It was a big building and only a portion was hit with a plane, heat from fired generally cools off and moves to another location, the metal cools off and regains integrity. Anyways, you tell me how hot did the friction from the crash produce and how did that create molten channels of metal lava at basement level some 70 floors below the crash?
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He debunks stuff you find on the internetz while you found him debunking your claims on the internets, LMFAO how do people make this up!!!
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Have you ever heard of Operation Gladio?
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If you believe 3 large moving heavy projectiles apart from each other can poke a single hole in a building just barely large enough to fit a Barnum and Baileys elephant uniclycling on a yoga ball while the most surveillance place on earth can barely even document the crash, by all means go for it.